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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Tnexster » 04 Sep 2018 14:10

Lots of hotels....I am not familiar with the history on the Prescott land.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 04 Sep 2018 18:39

M.O. would do really well right there.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby itsjrd1964 » 22 Dec 2018 23:50

The Changing Face of Maple Avenue Leads to a Question for Longtime Businesses: Stay or Sell?

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/The-C ... 68291.html

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 27 Dec 2018 20:20

The old strip next to the post office was cleared. I wonder when the office supply store next to the Melrose will close for the new apt development going there.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby JDumont146 » 27 Dec 2018 22:25

R1070 wrote:The old strip next to the post office was cleared. I wonder when the office supply store next to the Melrose will close for the new apt development going there.


I have been wondering the same thing. I live in the neighborhood just west of that stretch of Oak Lawn...I would love to see it liven up. Anyone have any news on the Starbucks, Total Wine, or the apt development plans?

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Dallas_Uptown » 28 Dec 2018 11:29

R1070 wrote:The old strip next to the post office was cleared. I wonder when the office supply store next to the Melrose will close for the new apt development going there.


Bellini's owner is still actively looking to reopen... ideally in an Oak Lawn or Design District location.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Dec 2018 09:38

That apartment project next to the Melrose still has to go through the city approval process. They have only presented to the Oak Lawn committee to get a feeling for some of their design proposals. They need some serious waivers from setbacks I believe so I wonder if they got more pushback from the committee than we realize. The huge market demand for projects like that is shrinking so this project might not make it in time for the preexisting rush it seems and Office Depot hasn't closed yet either.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 14 Jan 2019 18:39

Snooze, an A.M. Eatery Oak Lawn is opening up on January 23rd, and we can't wait to get to know our newest Snooze community!

We're celebrating the day with more than just a delicious brunch experience. To say thank you, we're giving away 50 Klean Kanteen to the first 50 people who join us at Snooze Oak Lawn on 1/23! Doors open at 6:30am and Kanteens are given out on a first come, first serve basis to the first 50 people in line. Make sure you set those alarms!

https://www.facebook.com/events/357099881752644/

Personally I think this place is overrated. I mean, it's certainly a fine establishment, I've just never understood the insane lines and wait times.

Happy to see this one come to Oak Lawn, though.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 14 Jan 2019 22:08

Also, the sign for the upcoming "Union Coffee" has been missing for a few weeks now. Are they still planning on moving to Oak Lawn, or did something happen?

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 12 Feb 2019 22:08

Homewood is currently set to debut on March 8. Stay tuned to see if that date changes again, and, in the meantime, peek at some of the ferments and cures that McCallister’s been working on below.

https://dallas.eater.com/2019/2/12/1822 ... march-2019

I still don't know much about this new restaurant, but seems to be a pretty big deal and also just around the corner as well.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 21 Feb 2019 15:26

UPDATE: Cedar Springs renovations should begin this spring
John Anderson, who serves on the committee that has been making recommendations for Cedar Springs improvements, said he expects groundbreaking in September at the earliest. The design should be finished by the end of February, but then it needs to go out for bid and the city council has to approve it. The winning company then has a certain number of days to start.

Jared White, a transportation manager with the city of Dallas, told the Mayor’s LGBT Task Force on Wednesday, Feb. 20, that plans are almost complete and work to “remodel” Cedar Springs Road is about to begin.

Gateway markers will be placed on Cedar Springs at Douglas and Oak Lawn avenues. Rainbow crosswalks are planned for the street at gateways as well as four crosswalks at Throckmorton and two at Knight and Reagan streets.

A new traffic light will be installed at Knight where numerous accidents, some of which involved fatalities, have occurred over the last decade. What White called “bump outs” will narrow the crossing at several intersections.

New landscaping will be installed along the entertainment corridor. One of the effects of the redesign, officials hope, is that it will slow traffic on Cedar Springs.

New sidewalks will be built with ADA curbs. At the Crossroads, there will be more room on the sidewalk for groups to set up tables, as was common during the decades when Crossroads Market occupied the space now anchored by Hunky’s. Lighting in the area will also be improved.

Task Force member John Anderson said murals are included in the beautification projects. One mural commemorating the AIDS crisis, painted by Arttitude volunteers and funded by The Red Foundation, was recently completed on the Nelson-Tebedo Clinic wall.

Across from that wall will be a mural commemorating the 50th anniversary of Stonewall and the drag queens and transgender activists who rioted for LGBT rights. At 10 a.m. on March 16, designers of the wall will hold a listening session at Zephyr, 4001 Cedar Springs Road, to hear what community members would like to see on the wall.

About $1.2 million from a 2012 bond election was designated for Cedar Springs improvements. Bond money has been used to improve and enhance other entertainment districts around the city, including Deep Ellum and Greenville Avenue.

White said groundbreaking should be sometime in the spring. Construction will continue through the year.

https://www.dallasvoice.com/cedar-sprin ... is-spring/

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Feb 2019 13:44

Don't expect much guys the LGBT task force has done a lot of this in secret and they were against any road diet or street reconfigurations that would have made the street safer. The number of lanes will stay the same so traffic will stay the same speedy dangerous way it always has with turn lanes that back traffic up and ultimately a road design that causes people to zig-zag through the four-lane road unsafely. The budget mentioned above doesn't leave much money for too many things other than a few more trees, plants, and some sidewalk enhancements. The crosswalks will certainly be a welcomed addition as will the traffic light at Knight but this will not be as big of a change as Lowest Greenville or Deep Ellum this will be more nip and tuck. I really wish the neighboorhood bars/business hand not fought this project so hard.

Personally, I have been upset that LGBT task force gets to make decisions for our tax money without any transparency other than a few of the members checking in on Facebook.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby lakewoodhobo » 24 Feb 2019 14:44

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Don't expect much guys the LGBT task force has done a lot of this in secret and they were against any road diet or street reconfigurations that would have made the street safer. The number of lanes will stay the same so traffic will stay the same speedy dangerous way it always has with turn lanes that back traffic up and ultimately a road design that causes people to zig-zag through the four-lane road unsafely. The budget mentioned above doesn't leave much money for too many things other than a few more trees, plants, and some sidewalk enhancements. The crosswalks will certainly be a welcomed addition as will the traffic light at Knight but this will not be as big of a change as Lowest Greenville or Deep Ellum this will be more nip and tuck. I really wish the neighboorhood bars/business hand not fought this project so hard.

Personally, I have been upset that LGBT task force gets to make decisions for our tax money without any transparency other than a few of the members checking in on Facebook.


I agree with most of what you're saying, especially the part about a road diet having been the best option. However, there should've been a study done that answered some questions, like 1) Would it affect the ability of Fire Station 11 to operate, and if so what are the options for relocating it; and 2) Would it affect the ability to host the Alan Ross Texas Freedom Parade. Even though Pride is being moved to Fair Park this year, I think most people aren't ready for that to be a permanent move. If the study concluded that a road diet would absolutely mean never again hosting the parade, there would've been even more opposition.

As for the Task Force, I have no idea who forms it and how one joins it if they want to. I'm on a committee in my neighborhood association where we're planning on spending $500,000 in bond money for street lighting. Everyone is invited to join but we never get more than 5 people to show up, so my point is in some situations people need to "show up" if they want a say in how their tax dollars are being spent.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby tamtagon » 24 Feb 2019 15:30

I've always like the idea that the fire station moves, and the building becomes a discotheque or something.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby lakewoodhobo » 24 Feb 2019 15:59

tamtagon wrote:I've always like the idea that the fire station moves, and the building becomes a discotheque or something.


Or a stripper bar called Fire Hose where every dancer makes an entrance coming down the pole.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 24 Feb 2019 23:40

cowboyeagle05 wrote:The crosswalks will certainly be a welcomed addition as will the traffic light at Knight but this will not be as big of a change as Lowest Greenville or Deep Ellum this will be more nip and tuck. I really wish the neighboorhood bars/business hand not fought this project so hard.


I kept my expectations pretty low after reading the article, and you've basically confirmed my skepticism. Once I found out how hard the bars were fighting this project, I kinda gave up on expecting much.

I suppose what they are doing is certianly better than nothing, but it's a real shame we aren't getting something as transformative as what Lower Greenville and Deep Ellum received.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Feb 2019 01:45

It's not the bars that were only running scared so much as the rest of the businesses on Cedar Springs that fear any transformative change will run them out of business. Many of the businesses that aren't bars on Cedar Springs don't want the emptying out like what happened to Lowest Greenville. They fear any major reconstruction will kill off customers for too long. Many remember when the Tollway bridge rebuild happened and many mention that their customers dropped significantly when pass-through traffic basically disappeared during the time the tollway bridge was closed for construction. It doesn't matter whether the bridge closure was the real reason. What matters to them is they fear that any significant change will render them and or the gay community as a whole into the history books. They also have a realistic fear of City Hall's ability to curtail that kind of damage to customer flow. Instead of learning from Lowest Greenville's mistakes and working with City Hall on solutions that try to improve access during construction while also working to transform the gay community into the future they chose to slap the 5th coat of paint on the existing wash of bad design mistakes made on Cedar Springs infrastructure and call it an improvement.

The LGBT task force is a mayor-appointed group of citizens and business owners. People on it are not bad people by any means they are people that honestly do care about the health of the neighborhood. It includes people who live on Cedar Springs and some who don't but are active voices in the community. Their hearts are in the right place but they are fearful of change and what other things it could do to the already weakened Dallas Gay neighborhood. They benefitted from a lack of involving the public in the decision making as does any part of municpal government.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 25 Feb 2019 14:27

Got it, thanks for that insight. I can definitely understand their fears. I wasn't aware of what happened when they rebuilt the tollway bridge, but I do remember how drastically Lower Greenville changed.

Perhaps what might eventually happen is Oak Lawn Ave. and Lemmon Ave. might actually start naturally becoming more urban and dense. Given the types of businesses and developments along these streets, I almost feel like the neighborhood would actually want to see a major face lift. Unfortunately, I feel like this is still a long ways away, but I do think that even if Cedar Springs ends up not changing at all, there is still potential for Oak Lawn to grow as a neighborhood.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 25 Feb 2019 14:43

If all we end up getting is a traffic light at Knight and Cedar Springs I will consider it a success in providing more safety for local residential pedestrians to connect to that Kroger and also to slow the speed of cars on that stretch of road.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby uptown74 » 25 Feb 2019 20:12

Has anyone noticed how big of an eyesore the front of the Oaklawn Public Library has become?
Everytime I drive by, I cringe at all the trash strewn about, homeless camping out on the steps and the uncared-for landscaping. Ive tried reporting it on the Dallas 311 app to no avail.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby muncien » 26 Feb 2019 09:09

DPatel304 wrote:Got it, thanks for that insight. I can definitely understand their fears. I wasn't aware of what happened when they rebuilt the tollway bridge, but I do remember how drastically Lower Greenville changed.

Perhaps what might eventually happen is Oak Lawn Ave. and Lemmon Ave. might actually start naturally becoming more urban and dense. Given the types of businesses and developments along these streets, I almost feel like the neighborhood would actually want to see a major face lift. Unfortunately, I feel like this is still a long ways away, but I do think that even if Cedar Springs ends up not changing at all, there is still potential for Oak Lawn to grow as a neighborhood.


No kidding... I'd love to see Lemmon turn into a mini version of LA's Wilshire blvd. It's so well positioned for some midrise along the street with wide sidewalks, retail down and residential up... It'll never happen of course, but damn...
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby lakewoodhobo » 26 Feb 2019 09:14

I think Maple Ave is the only major street in Oak Lawn that has the potential for an urban renaissance in our lifetime. Of course it all depends on what the big landowners have in mind, so I'm keeping an eye out for that big development in the works by MQ Development. I've even heard rumors of a 200-key hotel in the works there with 300,000 sqft of retail.

Another random but less credible rumor that I heard is that Four Seasons is kicking the tires at Maple Terrace.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Jbarn » 26 Feb 2019 12:04

lakewoodhobo wrote:I think Maple Ave is the only major street in Oak Lawn that has the potential for an urban renaissance in our lifetime. Of course it all depends on what the big landowners have in mind, so I'm keeping an eye out for that big development in the works by MQ Development. I've even heard rumors of a 200-key hotel in the works there with 300,000 sqft of retail.

Another random but less credible rumor that I heard is that Four Seasons is kicking the tires at Maple Terrace.


Are there any plans currently to redevelop Maple Avenue? There are blocks and blocks of emptiness now as many of the little businesses there were torn down over the last several months. It was a pretty vibrant little area. I know that some developer bought up most of the land, but hopefully they actually have a plan in place already to redevelop it rather than sit on it. It is very depressing seeing all that emptiness within very close proximity to downtown.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby flyswatter » 28 Feb 2019 09:04

The airport and flight path directly over Maple and Lemmon will always be detrimental to turning them into more dense, urban neighborhoods. Those planes just fly too low and are too loud. Went through the Starbucks drive through once and the plane landing above was too loud for her to hear my order. There's a reason lower income neighborhoods tend to be under flight paths and most noise complaints submitted to Love Field come from Highland Park...

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Matt777 » 28 Feb 2019 09:14

Does anyone know if the rainbow crosswalks on Cedar Springs will be painted, or something more permanent like tiles? I would rather see rainbow tiles than paint which will fade and need to be repainted. I know most people fear changing Cedar Springs and the area losing its community, so a tile crosswalk should help ease those fears and send a message to developers that the community is here to stay.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 Feb 2019 10:41

Key point to understand about the immediate gaybourhood is a lot of land is owned by Caven Enterprises a employee owned company that runs S4, Sue Ellen's, Jr's and TMC. They own more than just the land the bars sit on. They own parking lots and strip centers in the area. If they ever want to sell employees would have to agree to the sale as they all get stock as long as you are there for over a year. RoundUp has been on and off For Sale for years. The rest is owned by a piece meal of property owners who are so far still looking to not sell. The question is how long will all the affordable apartments behind the bars last. Every year a very old complex gets renovated and leased for prices just under new construction nearby. Every couple of weeks a new complex or Townhome complex gets built as well replacing old homes.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 28 Feb 2019 11:14

Another way to energize change for this area between Lemmon to Maple and between Oak Lawn and the tollway is to enforce all parking and report violations ongoing to the city as well as get the local residents to push for one sided street parking. An argument for one sided parking is that these streets are narrow in this area and it is difficult for fire trucks ambulances and police to move quickly on a busy night or weekends in this area. Another way is to report all property violations to the city for some of the aging properties in this area. The reality is this location is one of the last area between the tollway and 75 and south of Highland Park going towards downtown for development. You can already see this new investment on Maple and I think it will continue to squeeze going north towards Lemmon. Both Cedar Springs and Lemmon ave. are ripe for up-scaling development due to location proximity in the city. It is supremely located with a tollway entrance and access to I 35 and yet very near downtown which makes it a great place to live work and play. Would love to see Knight street made into a walk-able friendly connection to the Market Center DART station as I use this many times in nice weather to connect on the train. The future is coming to this location whether anyone wants it or not due to all of the above reasons.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby tamtagon » 28 Feb 2019 11:23

I've always wanted Throckmorton from Lemmon to Maple to be the 'big change' to the neighborhood. Complete Street is what we call today, but essentially make that street pedestrian oriented, zoned for retail as well as residential.

And the elementary school needs to move! Maybe to Lucas@Maple, Maria Luna Park can become a real play ground, maybe even absorb some of the public housing complex --- maybe even turn the whole public housing complex into a free adult learning complex where English Language fluency is taught.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Matt777 » 28 Feb 2019 11:26

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Key point to understand about the immediate gaybourhood is a lot of land is owned by Caven Enterprises a employee owned company that runs S4, Sue Ellen's, Jr's and TMC. They own more than just the land the bars sit on. They own parking lots and strip centers in the area. If they ever want to sell employees would have to agree to the sale as they all get stock as long as you are there for over a year. RoundUp has been on and off For Sale for years. The rest is owned by a piece meal of property owners who are so far still looking to not sell. The question is how long will all the affordable apartments behind the bars last. Every year a very old complex gets renovated and leased for prices just under new construction nearby. Every couple of weeks a new complex or Townhome complex gets built as well replacing old homes.


I'm not as worried about the new residential, it can be done in a way that benefits the community (gays like new apartments too). I just think there needs to be a permanent sign that this is the gayborhood, like the rainbow tile crosswalks. Come and open a business, come and build new housing, but a permanent sign that they have to be a part of the community if they enter the community (not that they have to be gay, just understand the community they are a part of now). Not to come in and socially "change" the neighborhood to fit their business or development target market. They can operate their business or build an apartment tower, but it's going to have a big ol' permanent rainbow crosswalk in front of it.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 28 Feb 2019 13:20

Matt777 wrote:I'm not as worried about the new residential, it can be done in a way that benefits the community (gays like new apartments too). I just think there needs to be a permanent sign that this is the gayborhood, like the rainbow tile crosswalks. Come and open a business, come and build new housing, but a permanent sign that they have to be a part of the community if they enter the community (not that they have to be gay, just understand the community they are a part of now). Not to come in and socially "change" the neighborhood to fit their business or development target market. They can operate their business or build an apartment tower, but it's going to have a big ol' permanent rainbow crosswalk in front of it.


I would really love to see this type of permanence in the area as well. The bare minimum we should have permanent rainbow crosswalks, but I would certainly love it if we could get creative and take it a step further.

Texas doesn't exactly have a reputation for being very open minded, so a full-on touristy looking gayborhood would immediately dispel any doubts people might have when they come to visit.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby soco » 28 Feb 2019 15:54

As of now the rainbow crossings are proposed to be implemented with striping and not pavers, tiles, stamped concrete etc. While not 'permanent' they should make for a dramatic enhancement to the strip.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 28 Feb 2019 16:03

Caven should pay to make that crosswalk in permanent pavers it is enhancing their bottom line anyway.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 28 Feb 2019 16:08

Here is the Dallas Observer article on the subject:
https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/dal ... r-11580154


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