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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby meowdeeb » 13 Dec 2017 10:40

willyk wrote:The Real History of Ross Ave.

Leviticus and Menthol Ross were direct descendants of our nation’s beloved flag-maker, Betsy Ross. Their grandson, Steve Ross, parlayed a New Jersey funeral home into the world’s biggest media and entertainment conglomerate -- Time Warner.

In 1903 the Ross brothers came to Dallas from France, where the family had been living as expatriates. They were trained as pharmacists. It was here, in a shabby shed at the back of the large Ross Family Estate on Poultry Row that the Ross brothers invented their famous cough drops.


http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-real-history-of-ross-ave-7147763


Actually that article seems way to off to be true. Especially when a little research shows a different Ross Brothers. http://www.dallasblog.com/2008081510033 ... thers.html

I was interested in this article due to the Betsy Griscom Ross connection as I am 1st cousin 8x removed related. I would have loved a connection to Dallas, but how could they be a direct descendant of Betsy Ross when 1) She and John Ross did not have any children together (she remarried 2x after and had 5 kids with Claypool & Ashburn) and not from France in the 1900s. She was kind of here in the states for the revolution and all. LOL I can not find any other references to a Leviticus and Menthol Ross anywhere.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby NdoorTX » 13 Dec 2017 22:22

Part of Dallas ISD's old Ross Avenue
headquarters would be reused in development plan

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Developers who are buying the Dallas Independent School District's longtime headquarters on Ross Avenue hope to save part of the old office complex.

Leon Capital Group is paying more that $9 million for the 4-acre property just east of downtown. The Dallas-based real estate firm won a bid for the DISD digs earlier this year.

Now Leon Capital has filed plans with the city for the apartment community it plans to construct on the block at Ross and Washington Avenue.

The plans show a 380-unit rental complex in five-story buildings. A six-level parking garage would be built at the south end of the block. There would be a courtyard in the center of the apartment complex.

The development plan by Architecture Demarest also includes the existing central building of the DISD headquarters that faces Ross. The two-story mid-century modern building is the most recognizable among the hodge-podge of structures built on the site in the last 60-plus years.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... pment-plan

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Thymant » 18 Jan 2018 10:50

From December:

ImageModera Hall Street by Thymant, on Flickr

ImageModera Hall Street by Thymant, on Flickr

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Thymant » 18 Jan 2018 10:51

From Yesterday:

ImageAlexan Ross 1 by Thymant, on Flickr

ImageAlexan Ross 2 by Thymant, on Flickr

ImageModera Hall St +Townhomes by Thymant, on Flickr

ImageModera Hall St by Thymant, on Flickr

ImageRoss ave Townhomes by Thymant, on Flickr

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 18 Jan 2018 22:43

Anyone know anything about the development on Ross and Grisby? I pass by it alot , have snapped a pic, but it's turning out nice.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby gbud » 19 Jan 2018 04:48

Ross Ave. would drastically change if they built a landscaped median from downtown to lower greenville. It is great to see all these projects, but such a median, in my opinion, is what will truly change how Ross feels.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby vman » 19 Jan 2018 06:01

gbud wrote:Ross Ave. would drastically change if they built a landscaped median from downtown to lower greenville. It is great to see all these projects, but such a median, in my opinion, is what will truly change how Ross feels.

I agree. I love the townhouse developments shown above, but why would you want a home that walks out onto a huge street like Ross? A median would definitely soften the street.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 19 Jan 2018 08:35

No median, I would prefer appropriate sidewalks with potential alternative transportation infrastructure built in. The street is still a freeway of sorts and making pedestrian crossings safer and more frequent, wider sidewalks, on-street parking, bike lanes etc would naturally calm traffic some and make it feel less like an airport runway canyon. Median seems more appropriate if we were making a parkway like Turtle Creek Blvd which I give it to you that is a pretty drive but that's the problem its designed for high-speed cars and not much else.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby eburress » 19 Jan 2018 08:52

Didn't this portion of Ross Ave used to have the center, reversible lane, like a highway? That could be part of the reason why it's the way it is now.

The vision for Ross Ave from a few years ago was to have a trolley running down the center. A trolley line running within a well-treed, landscaped median seems pretty much like urban xanadu to me!

I also love those townhomes. Does anybody know the actual name of the development?

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby DPatel304 » 19 Jan 2018 09:38

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Median seems more appropriate if we were making a parkway like Turtle Creek Blvd which I give it to you that is a pretty drive but that's the problem its designed for high-speed cars and not much else.


That median is lame though. If we could do something like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@19.4161885 ... 312!8i6656

Then I'd be all on board. In fact, seeing as how there really isn't any retail or much of anything to do on Ross Ave, I think I'd say a median would be better. Having the foot traffic along the sides instead of the middle would make more sense if there was actually stuff to do.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby gbud » 19 Jan 2018 10:40

That median is lame though. If we could do something like this:


I actually lived in Mexico City for 2.5 years, a block away from where you pointed out, this median and the one on Amsterdam Avenue became part of my daily routine. A true pleasure to walk on such urban spaces. It would great if this idea was applied in Dallas, curious to see how the people here would react to it.

Median seems more appropriate if we were making a parkway like Turtle Creek Blvd


There are different types of median designs, plus Turtle creek is a different type of street. Turtle Creek is next to a natural setting (the creek), requires setback from its sidewalks to buildings, and its design is much more organic (flowy).

For Ross Avenue I was thinking something much more urban, like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8923808,-87.6242542,3a,75y,157.09h,81.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPa-FbmzfWBMMkAMfIiG1BA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 19 Jan 2018 13:39

The city proposed something similar in Oak Cliff and the community rejected it flat out. So the city dialed back the design to something more traditional.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby ericthegardener » 19 Jan 2018 13:41

DPatel304 wrote:That median is lame though. If we could do something like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@19.4161885 ... 312!8i6656


Ahh, Mexico City. My favorite place in the world! People who haven't visited may not believe it, but there is a lot we could learn from Mexico City neighborhoods like Condesa and Roma.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Jan 2018 16:38

Latin American cities for the most part have great urban spaces. It's the car culture here that kills cities.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby ericthegardener » 19 Jan 2018 17:12

Sure, but there's no place with more cars and worse traffic than Mexico City. Yet despite that there are individual neighborhoods that are still walkable. We can have both if we have to.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby gbud » 20 Jan 2018 10:00

cowboyeagle05 wrote:the city dialed back the design to something more traditional.


Traditional in Dallas? Thats a first...
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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby DPatel304 » 20 Jan 2018 14:10

cowboyeagle05 wrote:The city proposed something similar in Oak Cliff and the community rejected it flat out. So the city dialed back the design to something more traditional.


Out of curiosity what road was this for?

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby FelipeMi » 21 Jan 2018 06:27

gbud wrote:Ross Ave. would drastically change if they built a landscaped median from downtown to lower greenville. It is great to see all these projects, but such a median, in my opinion, is what will truly change how Ross feels.


You think the changes will be for the worse, gbud? I would like it a bit more quiet, honestly.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 22 Jan 2018 08:37

DPatel304 wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:The city proposed something similar in Oak Cliff and the community rejected it flat out. So the city dialed back the design to something more traditional.


Out of curiosity what road was this for?


Jefferson Blvd. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/oak-cliff/2012/12/04/revitalizing-oak-cliffs-jefferson-boulevard-proposed

...Plus a proposal drafted by the CityDesign Studio recommends widening the Jefferson median between Zang Boulevard and Bishop Avenue to create an outdoor marketplace and gathering spots — an addition that project supporters hope will build on the area’s Hispanic presence and flavor...

...Modeled after the Las Ramblas area in Barcelona, Spain, the Oak Cliff version would create a “vibrant pedestrian zone” that “brings a new experience, new uses and further economic opportunity to the area.” So says the CityDesign Studio idea presented last month to a group of property owners, city officials and others promoting the project...

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Thymant » 21 Feb 2018 15:46

Former credit union on Dallas' Ross Avenue to become 300-unit apartment project
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February 20, 2018

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[url="https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/02/20/another-apartment-project-way-dallas-ross-avenue"]https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/02/20/another-apartment-project-way-dallas-ross-avenue[/url]

The developer that's building Lake Highlands Town Center is starting work on another project east of downtown Dallas.


The almost 300-unit, 4-story rental project will be constructed on the former site of the Credit Union of Texas at 4600 Ross Avenue.


"Cypress was drawn to this dynamic redevelopment opportunity due to its proximity to employers in the nearby central business district and Uptown, as well as its easy access to iconic retailers and restaurants along Henderson, Fitzhugh and Lower Greenville," Bill Rafkin, Principal with Cypress Real Estate Advisors, said in a statement.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Matt777 » 21 Feb 2018 16:15

Thymant wrote:Former credit union on Dallas' Ross Avenue to become 300-unit apartment project
Steve Brown
February 20, 2018

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[url="https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/02/20/another-apartment-project-way-dallas-ross-avenue"]https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2018/02/20/another-apartment-project-way-dallas-ross-avenue[/url]



Plain beige EIFS stick built apartment in Dallas. Groundbreaking.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby eburress » 21 Feb 2018 18:18

I'd be delighted with a bunch more groundbreaking architecture like this in that area. Keep 'em coming!

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby tanzoak » 21 Feb 2018 22:57

Matt777 wrote:Plain beige EIFS stick built apartment in Dallas. Groundbreaking.


Ross Ave isn't Uptown. To get high-end construction and design, you have to be able to fetch high-end prices, and you're just not going to get that here. It's either the unexciting midrise that will bring 600 more people and their vitality to the area, or this much worse-looking building with a design that belongs in a decrepit suburb.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Feb 2018 23:09

^^ Don't forget about the big nasty parking lots owned by the theological school that no one uses..ever..

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Matt777 » 21 Feb 2018 23:10

tanzoak wrote:
Matt777 wrote:Plain beige EIFS stick built apartment in Dallas. Groundbreaking.


Ross Ave isn't Uptown. To get high-end construction and design, you have to be able to fetch high-end prices, and you're just not going to get that here. It's either the unexciting midrise that will bring 600 more people and their vitality to the area, or this much worse-looking building with a design that belongs in a decrepit suburb.

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I've traveled a lot around the US and seen many up and coming areas in other thriving cities that still get more interesting midrise architecture than this. And I'm not buying your assertion that these are going to be cheaper than other central Dallas apartments. Modera Hall Street, right down the street, starts at $1275 for a studio and $1355 for a small 1 bedroom, $2080 for a 2 bedroom. This is just lazy developers who know that nobody in Dallas is going to enforce any architectural guidelines, and the general population is indifferent. They love it because it increases their profit margin. Good design doesn't have to be expensive, by the way.

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Re: East Dallas: Ross Avenue Corridor

Postby Thymant » 22 Feb 2018 00:03

Matt777 wrote:
tanzoak wrote:
Matt777 wrote:Plain beige EIFS stick built apartment in Dallas. Groundbreaking.


Ross Ave isn't Uptown. To get high-end construction and design, you have to be able to fetch high-end prices, and you're just not going to get that here. It's either the unexciting midrise that will bring 600 more people and their vitality to the area, or this much worse-looking building with a design that belongs in a decrepit suburb.


I've traveled a lot around the US and seen many up and coming areas in other thriving cities that still get more interesting midrise architecture than this. And I'm not buying your assertion that these are going to be cheaper than other central Dallas apartments. Modera Hall Street, right down the street, starts at $1275 for a studio and $1355 for a small 1 bedroom, $2080 for a 2 bedroom. This is just lazy developers who know that nobody in Dallas is going to enforce any architectural guidelines, and the general population is indifferent. They love it because it increases their profit margin. Good design doesn't have to be expensive, by the way.


If you think $1355 for a small 1 bedroom $2080 in a brand new apartment is expensive you must have not done much apartment shopping lately in the area, $1200-$1400 is a typical starting price for a brand new small 1 bedroom apartment in the Dallas area. If you believe that those prices are high you should check out the prices of these other comparable brand new mid-rises that you have seen in other cities that have much better architecture. If this were going in uptown I could understand the complaints but this is Ross ave, there is a lot of land and still a lot of improvement that needs to be made. In order for this area to continue to improve there needs to be more residents and successful developments in order for developers to be willing or forced dish more cash.


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