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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Redblock » 17 Apr 2019 07:55

A coring truck has been working in the parking lot this week. There was some coring done a year ago. Maybe potential contractors wanted more info before submitting bids.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby jsoto3 » 26 Apr 2019 22:20

5/2/19 Development Plan and Landscape Plan submitted to the City Plan Commission:
https://dallascityhall.com/government/m ... t_Plan.pdf
https://dallascityhall.com/government/m ... e_Plan.pdf
McKinney-Lemmon Development Plan (5-2-19).JPG
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 26 Apr 2019 23:27

Wow, hotel, multi family, office and retail! Yes please!

Not only that but it appears we may finally see the electrical poles banished and sunk underneath....

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Jbarn » 27 Apr 2019 08:52

How long does it usually take the city plan commission to review and sign off on plans like this? Are we looking at several months until construction starts still?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby tamtagon » 27 Apr 2019 09:43

The new cycle.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 27 Apr 2019 12:36

Can't wait to see the details when they emerge, sounds fantastic and a great addition to the area. Wish they could do this across the street on that block of one story wonders.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby R1070 » 27 Apr 2019 14:22

I’d like to see the Walgreens lot turn to mixed use with a ground floor Walgreens next. If we can get continuous urban development on at least one side of the street that would make a big difference. Then the Hot Joy gas station/car wash lots combined into one development would help to at least box in the CVS and Strip center which would both then hopefully redevelop over time.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby jsoto3 » 27 Apr 2019 22:34

The zoning case for this project (Z189-141) is described in the 5/2/19 CPC Docket, starting on page 650:
https://dallascityhall.com/government/m ... Docket.pdf

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby dallaz » 03 May 2019 11:09

Central Market project for Dallas' Uptown neighborhood gets approval

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... s-approval

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Cbdallas » 03 May 2019 11:52

Godspeed Central Market!

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby jetnd87 » 03 May 2019 11:54

This is easily a top 3 of 2019 project for me.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby lakewoodhobo » 03 May 2019 12:13

They could build the Bishop Arts Central Market in less than a year, but I'm afraid folks there will have to wait until this tower opens in 2023 or so, which is too bad. Logistically, this would be the mothership to the satellite store in Oak Cliff.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby R1070 » 04 May 2019 15:47

I’m glad to hear there will be some residential included in this development.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Thymant » 04 May 2019 22:24

R1070 wrote:I’m glad to hear there will be some residential included in this development.


I don't think there will be residential included in this project, the residential they were referring to was the residential tower that was approved to be added to the Cabana Hotel along 35. The article made it easy to confuse.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby R1070 » 04 May 2019 22:56

It said residential on the lower floors with the grocery. Am I mistaken?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby LBK2013 » 04 May 2019 23:16

Thymant wrote:
R1070 wrote:I’m glad to hear there will be some residential included in this development.


I don't think there will be residential included in this project, the residential they were referring to was the residential tower that was approved to be added to the Cabana Hotel along 35. The article made it easy to confuse.


From the article:

Last fall, Dallas developer KDC and the San Antonio-based grocer announced plans for the project, which will include an office tower with residential units and the Central Market on the lower floors.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 May 2019 10:39

What height is allowed here?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby LongonBigD » 05 May 2019 11:09

The height request I saw indicated at least two towers from my reading of it. An office building at the SE corner of McKinney Ave and Lemmon Ave East and a residential tower on the opposite corner of the property (where Original Pancake House is currently. I want to say that one height request for for about 20 stories and one for about 30 stories. It’s possible I have them backwards, but that’s what I remember. Isn’t that request in this thread?

I remember Central Market is to take all the first floor frontage along McKinney Ave. What I don’t remember is where the hotel element fits in.

I guess the old Mannys space will sit there until it falls in like Uptown Pub across the street. Who would buy that small tract in the future? We haven’t yet reached demand levels for pencil towers. Uptown Pub will probably eventually become a valet parking lot at THE prime corner of West Village. At least it will fit right in with CVS across the street.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 05 May 2019 17:42

^I believe that is correct, looks like the residential tower is 360 feet and 439 units which is the largest structure and the hotel appears to be 200 feet. This is a massive change for the area and will be a very busy place once complete. Hope to see additional renderings before long.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby tamtagon » 05 May 2019 19:12

I wonder if Central Market will move their corporate HQ to this office building...

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby homeworld1031tx » 06 May 2019 14:52

So I love the project, but I think one down side of this is: what happens to the Uptown Whole Foods? With the Tom Thumbs opening up in between uptown and victory park, the need for a 'regular' grocer has now been met, and with the central market opening up less than a mile north of the uptown whole foods, in what is arguably a much, much better location (as far as addressable residential market goes), I think it spells some pretty bad news for the Gables Whole Foods.

This central market will be more accessible to all of the residential along 75 and in the West Village, as well as being easier to access for most oak lawn and turtle creek residents.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Cbdallas » 06 May 2019 15:01

They can convert that into an HEB when it closes.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 06 May 2019 15:18

With as many residents moving into this area I would not think there is a problem, not yet. Each of these developments brings hundreds of new living units with them plus so much more are going up around them.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby tamtagon » 06 May 2019 16:40

So.... McKinney isn't as much of a party destination as it used to be, but it's sure turning into a food destination! Central Market, Whole Foods, Tom Thumb, San Martin, Eatzi not too far off.... I would expect Royal Blue to enter the neighborhood soon and probably a couple more high end specialty grocers. Where will the butcher open?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby The_Overdog » 07 May 2019 09:15

With as many residents moving into this area I would not think there is a problem, not yet.


Exactly. In suburbs, grocery stores are often closer than 1 mile apart. For example on Preston Road in Plano, Market Street, Trader Joes, and Whole Foods are across the street from one another. I don't see why a successful dense area like Uptown would be any different.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Kelley USA » 07 May 2019 09:29

tamtagon wrote:So.... McKinney isn't as much of a party destination as it used to be, but it's sure turning into a food destination! Central Market, Whole Foods, Tom Thumb, San Martin, Eatzi not too far off.... I would expect Royal Blue to enter the neighborhood soon and probably a couple more high end specialty grocers. Where will the butcher open?


Don't forget, you also have Chicago based Foxtrot moving into the old McKinney Ave Tavern space... Looks like a cool concept!

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... et-uptown/

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby tamtagon » 07 May 2019 12:30

Feels like we're about to see what it's like in the big leagues! Finally!


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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 26 Jun 2019 16:56

Good grief! Five cranes?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby maconahey » 26 Jun 2019 16:57

Not sure if this has been posted yet or not
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby exelone31 » 26 Jun 2019 17:19

McLemmon?!?! One name? One name?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Warrior2015 » 26 Jun 2019 17:24

When does construction start

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby flyswatter » 26 Jun 2019 17:28

McLemmon is an odd name...Notice how the rendering shows McKinney two way!

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 26 Jun 2019 20:24

McLemmon sounds like crappy McDonald's summer drink.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby LongonBigD » 26 Jun 2019 21:06

maconahey wrote:Not sure if this has been posted yet or not
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Thanks for that, I have not seen two-way McKinney Ave except in the city of Dallas drawings.

The tower in the background got bigger too. I wonder if they know anything or are just filling space in this rendering.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 26 Jun 2019 21:30

That tower attached to Central Market looks nice, would like to see the rest of it though.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby DPatel304 » 26 Jun 2019 23:49

Can't wait to see this one get underway.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby itsjrd1964 » 27 Jun 2019 00:24

exelone31 wrote:McLemmon?!?!


Yes, we still live in the land of desperately-seeking-made-up-names... ;) :lol:
At least it's not "SoGood". :|

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby willyk » 27 Jun 2019 04:55

Worrying that the fact that people find it so annoying is the thing that will make it stick.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Kelley USA » 27 Jun 2019 09:16

exelone31 wrote:McLemmon?!?! One name? One name?


Who are you, Seal?? :)

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Kelley USA » 27 Jun 2019 09:20

So is the hotel component new, or did I miss this originally?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby emmasensei » 27 Jun 2019 09:49

Love it all (mostly). Love the density, the wide sidewalks, the tree buffer between peds and cars, the two-way street (!) Only way it could be improved is if they built this out to accommodate smaller retail opportunities on the street-facing side of the CM, but overall, so pleased with how this will connect West Village with the rest of McKinney.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby maconahey » 27 Jun 2019 13:28

Few more goodies
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 27 Jun 2019 15:14

Oh wow that is a goodie!

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Cbdallas » 28 Jun 2019 09:38

What site are these images from ???

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby lakewoodhobo » 28 Jun 2019 10:24

Cbdallas wrote:What site are these images from ???


They're hosted on the Omniplan website. Not sure if they have a page for this project like they do for East Quarter and Red Bird, but that's where they come from.

https://www.omniplan.com/work/index.html

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby eburress » 28 Jun 2019 10:31

emmasensei wrote:Love it all (mostly). Love the density, the wide sidewalks, the tree buffer between peds and cars, the two-way street (!) Only way it could be improved is if they built this out to accommodate smaller retail opportunities on the street-facing side of the CM, but overall, so pleased with how this will connect West Village with the rest of McKinney.


Agreed, this is a very very exciting, near-perfect development! A funny observation is that several of these renderings were from the perspective of the world's ugliest and least-urban CVS. Talk about irony! :lol:

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby emmasensei » 28 Jun 2019 10:54

Ugh, I know. I used to visit the CVS a stone's throw from my house in Boston almost daily, but it was a proper urban-style convenience-type store oriented to pedestrians with great healthy snacks, and there was a spot to tie up my dog for a quick run-in. It was truly, y'know, convenient.

Now I live a stone's throw from the new CVS in Henderson and never, ever go there because even though it's walkable and easy to do, it's depressing to wade across their treeless sea of parking lot and everything is 3x the price of Kroger, 30 seconds further down the road. The parking lot is SO BIG and I never see more than 3 cars there at a time. :evil:

Dallas CVSes are so useless. I can't figure out why they even exist or what niche they're filling.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby eburress » 28 Jun 2019 11:37

The CVS we walk to on Ross sounds just as bad. A least the walk there down Lowest Greenville is pretty nice. ;)

Considering when they were built, I can understand why a number of these suburban-styled CVS stores exist (these areas were basically suburbs at the time). Hopefully enough densification has happened though that CVS gets the memo and starts to build the urban-styled ones, rather than the suburban-style turds we have everywhere now.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 28 Jun 2019 11:54

lakewoodhobo wrote:
Cbdallas wrote:What site are these images from ???


They're hosted on the Omniplan website. Not sure if they have a page for this project like they do for East Quarter and Red Bird, but that's where they come from.

https://www.omniplan.com/work/index.html


Funny they don't have a page setup for this one, especially since it is about to be turning dirt.


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