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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 22 Aug 2018 09:50

A lot of the Field-Moody-Pearl mess is rooted in the DNT-Harry Hines-McKinnon mess; one gigantic knot strung out over a couple blocks bunched at either end. No more one way streets, reworking DNT-Oak Lawn-Harry Hines cluster provides better vehicular movement, returns some land to Reverchon Park and actually provides for pedestrians and bicycle riders.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Aug 2018 09:25

Yes^. I can not imagine the current configuration done decades ago is working like it used to. It was designed when there wasn't so many active garage driveways and other developments with an active mixture of uses. It seems like the city and TXDOT should look at how to make improvements. Here's hoping that includes pedestrian improvements, not just ways to get cars going faster.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby CTroyMathis » 23 Aug 2018 10:13

The "Do not block intersection" sign stuck in the middle of a very narrow sidewalk is pretty hilarious as well.

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R1070 wrote:Any rumors on what hotel brand will be at this site?


I haven't heard anything. It could be quite possible they will go w/their own Harwood Hospitality Group branding. Or, maybe a brand that is a little more common in Europe.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 23 Aug 2018 11:54

I really like the idea that Harwood Dallas would start a hotel - Dallas Beverly Hills London Zurich

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 25 Aug 2018 17:40

What is that person on the far left? Looks like a crossing guard or something.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby CTroyMathis » 26 Aug 2018 08:34

That is exactly the person's function at this intersection. At a minimum I've seen them every week day, although I do not know the duration of each day on duty. I could be quite mistaken, but, I believe they are DPD.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby flyswatter » 26 Aug 2018 11:49

I know some buildings will hire a off duty cop to stop traffic from blocking garage exits and let people out. Cityplace Tower does this during PM rush hour, for example.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Warrior2015 » 26 Aug 2018 12:11

I'm ready to see some renderings !

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Postby Tnexster » 26 Aug 2018 16:24

flyswatter wrote:I know some buildings will hire a off duty cop to stop traffic from blocking garage exits and let people out. Cityplace Tower does this during PM rush hour, for example.


This happens a lot downtown, with the construction going on, blocked streets and so on it can make for quite a mess at 5:00.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby maconahey » 06 Sep 2018 10:13

Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 06 Sep 2018 10:20

A structure height of 804 feet? Even if that's just the crane height, that yields a tower which is a helluva lot more than 20 stories, doesn't it?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Kelley USA » 06 Sep 2018 13:05

This project was introduced a few years ago for XII. That is the lot, near Ascent...

http://www.bokapowell.com/project/harwood-phase-xii/

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby clcrash19 » 06 Sep 2018 13:12

Wow is this thing going to happen! would be massive for the skyline.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Warrior2015 » 06 Sep 2018 17:36

maconahey wrote:
Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2

So the 22 story hotel is already u/c and the lot behind ascent will be the 33 story tower ?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby joshua.dodd » 06 Sep 2018 18:15

Now that's a cool looking building.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby I45Tex » 06 Sep 2018 19:21

Cool looking, but please nobody start crying if they build this design and <25 floors of office atop a garage is three hundred feet shorter than maconahey found on the FAA!

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby ContriveDallasite » 07 Sep 2018 05:01

I45Tex wrote:Cool looking, but please nobody start crying if they build this design and <25 floors of office atop a garage is three hundred feet shorter than maconahey found on the FAA!


There is so much AAC parking in the immediate vicinity of the buidling. Is there a reason why a deal can't be worked out to limit parking restrictions and allowing the AAC structure to be used for daytime purposes as well?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 08:51

Leases and property value from the circumstance of the ownership. The property is worth more with dedicated parking that the property can control access to. Many of the Harwood types of tenants, big multinational corporations have no stomach for shared parking for the sake of some urbanists desire for fewer garages. They want a garage with security and safe sheltered walk to the luxury elevator and back to their car to drive home to the park cities or Frisco. Harwood isn't leasing to avocado toast millennials here with a desire to walk/bike to work. They want to be rest assured an event or the general public won't complicate access to their parking.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 07 Sep 2018 09:42

^In addition to vast square footage of dedicated parking, Harwood and Victory Park built commercial service, entertainment, dining and retail space as an amenity for the office tenants. At some point, the amenities spaces will be able to focus more and more on the resident population of the area, balancing the line-up, extending operating hours. In Victory Park, we're seeing the beginning of such a shift thanks at last to the thousands of residential units built recently.

Maybe it wont be much longer before Harwood is able to become an additional walkable destination. The scope and scale of Harwood Street from Katy Trail to Olive Street will become an entirely new deal and the remaining development will fill out with a much larger presence in the skyline as well as create a half mile stretch of tony sidewalk cafes, 'European Food Hall' promenades, and garden trails.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Sep 2018 10:02

If Harwood intl wants to even remotely enter the conciousness of the greater public as as an Urban Live,Work,Play destination they will eventually have to work on the inexistent walkability of their district.

The fact that they own all this land and don't even work on improving the connectivity of the sidewalks as they complete their own buildings tells you everything you need to know about the half ass nature of their "urban" planning.

I'll start dreaming of "European Stlye Promenades" once they hire an actual urban planning firm.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 07 Sep 2018 10:16

^word

I'm hopeful that what we've seen in renderings for some of these recent projects is the start. Harry Hines/McKinnon is as much an awful commuter raceway as it is an outstanding point of access. I have little doubt minimal tweaks to the side streets and Harwood could create a system of vehicular circulars channeling the peak commuting traffic into the parking with minimal impact on a contiguous pedestrian environment.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 12:50

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:If Harwood intl wants to even remotely enter the conciousness of the greater public as as an Urban Live,Work,Play destination they will eventually have to work on the inexistent walkability of their district.

The fact that they own all this land and don't even work on improving the connectivity of the sidewalks as they complete their own buildings tells you everything you need to know about the half ass nature of their "urban" planning.

I'll start dreaming of "European Stlye Promenades" once they hire an actual urban planning firm.


Totally on board there. There is almost nothing that makes Hall Office Complex in Frisco different from Harwood District here in Uptown. They are both successful office developments with great commercial success no doubt but are ghost towns in more ways than one other than some office workers and an end of day rush hour backup onto the freeway. Hall is trying to solve his lack of activity and amenities by building a shopping center and testing a transit supplement. Harwood has an advantage and they haven't been interested in taking advantage of it either. Call an urban planner, not another engineer.

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