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Re: TexRail

Postby Matt777 » 01 Jan 2019 12:18

tamtagon wrote:I still don't understand why Collyville rejected a station.


Because in their warped minds, they equate public transportation with poor people and criminals. They're the kind of people who rent a car when to go to Manhattan, and drive it so they can go see Times Square.

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Re: TexRail

Postby electricron » 02 Jan 2019 00:56

tamtagon wrote:I still don't understand why Collyville rejected a station.

Collyville did not wish to pay for a train station.
Where in Collyville would you place it? There was not, is not, will never be a great place for a train station in Collyville! Few streets cross the tracks where potential riders could get to the train station from both sides of the track, and the few that do are residential and would become full of potholes with any increase in traffic.
Watch some YouTube videos by Geoff Marshall under Least Used Stations,; even in England where just about everybody rides trains, there are stations placed in lousy locations which get very few riders. I suggest any station in Collyville would probably make Geoff’s least used station criteria.

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Re: TexRail

Postby tamtagon » 02 Jan 2019 08:46

John McCain Road @ Colleyville Road? If the community favored the large scale mixed use development, that would be a great eventual location for the next big variation of the corporate processing/training/tech consolidation along the lines of State Farm/Deloitte/Schwab.... tailored to the multinational corporation using the airport. Wasn't meant to be, clearly.

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Re: TexRail

Postby electricron » 02 Jan 2019 11:47

tamtagon wrote:John McCain Road @ Colleyville Road? If the community favored the large scale mixed use development, that would be a great eventual location for the next big variation of the corporate processing/training/tech consolidation along the lines of State Farm/Deloitte/Schwab.... tailored to the multinational corporation using the airport. Wasn't meant to be, clearly.

By far the best location, but still a terrible place for a train station. While Collyville Road is capable enough to handle the traffic required, its’ parallel layout to the tracks sort of cuts off pedestrian traffic from the east. Of course the bike path/pedestrian trail paralleling the tracks is very helpful for pedestrians from the north and south, McCain Road isn’t capable to handle much more traffic as is, and nobody living near it wants ro see it expanded - much like Mockingbird Lane in Highland Park. So access to this location is terrible from the west as well.

Again, as I repeat, check out Geoff Marshall’s “Least Used Stations” YouTube videos. The best location available is not always the best place to place a train station.

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Re: TexRail

Postby TNWE » 02 Jan 2019 12:02

electricron wrote:
tamtagon wrote:I still don't understand why Collyville rejected a station.

Collyville did not wish to pay for a train station.


Bingo- Colleyville doesn't have a huge number of residents who work in Downtown FW or at the airport, and the ones that do wish to take transit to DTFW are probably already driving to a TRE station and will probably start driving to Smithfield.

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Re: TexRail

Postby TNWE » 02 Jan 2019 12:11

Matt777 wrote:
tamtagon wrote:I still don't understand why Collyville rejected a station.


Because in their warped minds, they equate public transportation with poor people and criminals. They're the kind of people who rent a car when to go to Manhattan, and drive it so they can go see Times Square.


I hear that attitude from an awful lot of Dallasites who live in Uptown/Downtown - I guess that makes the entire City of Dallas frightened of poor people too, huh?

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Re: TexRail

Postby itsjrd1964 » 02 Jan 2019 17:40

Not unlike the Knox-Henderson station that didn't happen because it was unwanted (until after the dust settled and the light rail proved popular), and the same with Corinth along the DCTA A-Train. Oh well, more transit and trains for the rest of us....

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Re: TexRail

Postby electricron » 03 Jan 2019 22:27

itsjrd1964 wrote:Not unlike the Knox-Henderson station that didn't happen because it was unwanted (until after the dust settled and the light rail proved popular), and the same with Corinth along the DCTA A-Train. Oh well, more transit and trains for the rest of us....

Whether the citizens of Corinth wanted a train station or not, which by the way was not located for their ease of use but for the ease of use for community college students, their city government certainly did not have the ability to pay for it.
Populations of
Denton = 136,268
Lewisville = 106,021
Highland Village = 16,587
Corinth = 21,152
Some could argue Highland Village is not large enough as well. But the median home value in Highland Village is $378,200, in Corinth it is $269,800. Maybe Highland Village taxpayers are richer than in Corinth?

Let's do some simple math, assuming NCTCOG's estimation to build a train station would cost between $3 million and $10 million .
(Note: to keep the math simple lets use 20,000 vs 21,152 for Corinth's population)
$3,000,000 / 20,000 citizens = $150 / citizen
$10,000,000 / 20,000 citizens = $500 / citizen

Let's compare that to Denton and Lewisville....
Denton = $3,000,000 / 135,000 = $22 / citizen
Denton = $10,000,000 / 135,000 = $74 / citizen
Lewisville = $3,000,000 / 105,000 = $28 / citizen
Lewisville = $10,000,000 / 105,000 = $95 / citizen

We need to keep in mind what smaller cities and towns can afford to do or not. Expecting smaller cities to afford the same things that larger cities can afford is very unrealistic and unfair.

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Re: TexRail

Postby Redblock » 04 Jan 2019 19:38

FLASSH.....FLASH......FLASH

TEXRail will NOT operate ANY service on Saturday, January 5.

https://twitter.com/TrinityMetro/status ... 1272208384

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Re: TexRail

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Re: TexRail

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Re: TexRail

Postby itsjrd1964 » 07 Jan 2019 18:55

Some are questioning what the real reason is for the TexRail delay.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/traf ... 18410.html

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Re: TexRail

Postby itsjrd1964 » 07 Jan 2019 18:58

Waiting on a train? TEXRail’s on-again, off-again opening set for Thursday

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/traf ... 39975.html

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Re: TexRail

Postby grez_ua » 13 Jan 2019 15:34

Used that yesterday to get all the way from dallas downtown to fw downtown (via orange line).
Quite surprised how many people went to experience new train - there were no places to sit.
Didn't found any walkways between airport terminals, it seems only way to get between terminals is using airport bus, which adds complications to this process.
Some patches of texrail is a single rail line, so train has to stop and wait for opposite train. We got waiting for >15 mins.
Train had few small issues, like one door was not working; somebody broke restroom door.

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Re: TexRail

Postby Matt777 » 13 Jan 2019 17:27

grez_ua wrote:Used that yesterday to get all the way from dallas downtown to fw downtown (via orange line).
Quite surprised how many people went to experience new train - there were no places to sit.
Didn't found any walkways between airport terminals, it seems only way to get between terminals is using airport bus, which adds complications to this process.
Some patches of texrail is a single rail line, so train has to stop and wait for opposite train. We got waiting for >15 mins.
Train had few small issues, like one door was not working; somebody broke restroom door.


Thanks for the report! Isn't there a walkway between the TexRail station at Terminal B and the DART station at Terminal A? Google maps seems to show that a covered walkway was built towards it before the TexRail station even started construction.

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Re: TexRail

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 13 Jan 2019 18:18

There are airside bridges between all terminals except E.

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Re: TexRail

Postby Matt777 » 13 Jan 2019 19:01

Hannibal Lecter wrote:There are airside bridges between all terminals except E.


What about landside between the two rail stations? I guess my question is how easy is it to transfer between the two rail lines if needed. I know that would be rare. If someone wanted to go from Las Colinas to DTFW by rail, how easy is it to get from the DART DFW station to the TexRail station?

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Re: TexRail

Postby itsjrd1964 » 13 Jan 2019 19:06

There is a walkway between the DART light rail and the TexRail area at DFW. It is adjacent to the Crossunder that is just north of the 2 stations. The first pic is on the DART side, with the DART area on the left, and the walkway under the bridge and leading off to the right of the pic. The other pic is just the opposite, with the TexRail area (sorry, haven't been out there to take a personal pic since it got done, it's fudged from Google Street View) to the right and the walkway off to the left.
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Re: TexRail

Postby TNWE » 14 Jan 2019 11:08

itsjrd1964 wrote:There is a walkway between the DART light rail and the TexRail area at DFW. It is adjacent to the Crossunder that is just north of the 2 stations. The first pic is on the DART side, with the DART area on the left, and the walkway under the bridge and leading off to the right of the pic. The other pic is just the opposite, with the TexRail area (sorry, haven't been out there to take a personal pic since it got done, it's fudged from Google Street View) to the right and the walkway off to the left.


Its probably a 5 min walk, 10-15 if someone has bags or reduced mobility. Since Texrail runs every hour, and DART every 15-20 minutes, the connecting times aren't perfect (some Orange Line trains pull in like a minute before Texrail is scheduled to leave) so you'd have to catch an earlier Orange Line train or be stuck waiting nearly an hour. This issue may go away once Texrail adds more service and headways drop to 30 mins at peak times.

Also, on the topic of connecting from one system to the other - it seems like most potential users would be put off by having to pay the regional fare to go from say, Grapevine to Irving CC. It would be nice if DART/Trinity Metro got together to offer some sort of "Mid Cities" pass that's the same price as a local fare, but not valid for travel in/through Dallas or Fort Worth. As it is, the fare zone split discourages shorter trips for people who live/work close to the fare zone boundary. If I live in Irving and work in DT Grapevine or at Bell Helicopter (for example), it makes more sense to just drive (adding another single occupant vehicle to 183/114) because they're paying double what their coworker from DTFW pays for a much longer trip.

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Re: TexRail

Postby Tucy » 14 Jan 2019 13:12

grez_ua wrote:Used that yesterday to get all the way from dallas downtown to fw downtown (via orange line).
Quite surprised how many people went to experience new train - there were no places to sit.
Didn't found any walkways between airport terminals, it seems only way to get between terminals is using airport bus, which adds complications to this process.
Some patches of texrail is a single rail line, so train has to stop and wait for opposite train. We got waiting for >15 mins.
Train had few small issues, like one door was not working; somebody broke restroom door.


what was your total trip time from downtown Dallas to downtown Fort Worth?

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Re: TexRail

Postby muncien » 14 Jan 2019 13:39

As it is, the fare zone split discourages shorter trips for people who live/work close to the fare zone boundary. If I live in Irving and work in DT Grapevine or at Bell Helicopter (for example), it makes more sense to just drive (adding another single occupant vehicle to 183/114) because they're paying double what their coworker from DTFW pays for a much longer trip.


The same could be said for DART itself... It's fare structure essentially benefits long distance commuters the most, while penalizing the short haul. For example, commuting from cityline to Victory Park would cost the same as commuting from Pearl Arts station to Victory Park. As such, you end up discouraging the urban users to a point. Perhaps the new upcoming tap system will allow more flexibility in the manner. You would think a well developed transit app would also be able to assess your route and charge accordingly (across both DART service area and the region). That way, you wouldn't have to create a fully access controlled system to initiate such a pay structure.
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Re: TexRail

Postby TNWE » 14 Jan 2019 15:57

muncien wrote:The same could be said for DART itself... It's fare structure essentially benefits long distance commuters the most, while penalizing the short haul. For example, commuting from cityline to Victory Park would cost the same as commuting from Pearl Arts station to Victory Park. As such, you end up discouraging the urban users to a point. Perhaps the new upcoming tap system will allow more flexibility in the manner. You would think a well developed transit app would also be able to assess your route and charge accordingly (across both DART service area and the region). That way, you wouldn't have to create a fully access controlled system to initiate such a pay structure.


The tap card and new DART fare structure has reduced the distance disparity a lot, I think.
Office workers commuting from Plano/Carrolton to downtown have to buy a $3 AM pass and a $3 PM pass, and being office workers, they're probably not taking midday trips so they're effectively paying $3 a ride. An urban resident, on the other hand, could get several trips out of a midday or PM pass, so the cost per ride is much lower. Plus, once you've bought a PM pass it's good for up to 12 hours so there's less of a barrier to using transit for other trips later that same day.

Before, you either had to buy a day pass in advance, or race to see how many stops you could make in a 2 hour period (I'll admit to taking longer, more circuitous bus routings to get home because as long as I got on a bus headed downtown with time left on my ticket, I could ride for another 30-60 minutes and not have to worry about fare enforcement like on the trains). Now you can go from work to HH to dinner to the store and back home all for $3 (assuming all those places are accessible by bus or train).

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Re: TexRail

Postby grez_ua » 15 Jan 2019 17:04

The first pic is on the DART side, with the DART area on the left, and the walkway under the bridge and leading off to the right of the pic.

I see it now on street view. The problem is there were no any clear signs or markings were to go to get to the other station. Hopefully they would fix it soon.
what was your total trip time from downtown Dallas to downtown Fort Worth?

With a bus in airport it took smth like 2.5 hours one way.


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