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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Kelley USA » 24 Apr 2018 15:14

I had always hoped that McKinney Ave would develop the way Knox has (but X4)- from the Crescent down to West Village. Sort of one long shopping / dining destination. Having a McKinney Ave address comes with a premium rental price yet there is very little on McKinney Ave to justify it IMO. Knox / Henderson is far more attractive to me!

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 03 May 2018 20:58

New office and retail high-rise gets green light on Dallas' Knox Street

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... nox-street

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby eburress » 04 May 2018 10:13

Awesome, so glad they kept the drug store!

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby DallasMan » 04 May 2018 10:33

I do wonder, whether the soda fountain business will return. All the press refers to them fixing up and keeping the HP Pharmacy building...not necessarily the business.

Hope the building is preserved and the business is allowed to return.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby DPatel304 » 04 May 2018 11:53

Weir's will relocate temporarily when construction starts — probably in early 2019.

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The building — just a block from the Katy Trail — will take 18 to 24 months to complete.


Looks like they plan to start in early 2019, with an expected completion in early 2021. I'm really glad that the number of projects seems to have slowed down, but the quality seems to have gone up.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 03 Jun 2018 23:18

LongonBigD wrote:I just think this is bait trotted out to get what they really want approved (increased density than currently allowed). We shall see what the final result becomes.


Late update on this project proposed at McKinney & Hester. Somehow I missed this followup back in December.

https://candysdirt.com/2017/12/08/reali ... e-meeting/

In the immortal words of Gomer Pyle, “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby The Rock 07 » 05 Jun 2018 21:46

They had proposed rezoning signs on the property that were only up for about a week back in April. Anyone know what the latest is?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 05 Jun 2018 21:58

Is that McKinney avenue on the NE side of the intersection with Hester?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 05 Jun 2018 22:43

R1070 wrote:Is that McKinney avenue on the NE side of the intersection with Hester?


Yes, taking about 60% of that block, including the large complex mid-block and the two other properties just south. Leaving only the small apt/condo complex, the body shop and Chelsea Corner on the north end of this block.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby ContriveDallasite » 06 Jun 2018 07:59

Shame. Instead of getting a taller product which would add a little bit of variety, we get a cookie cutter rectangle just like what went up across the street.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby muncien » 06 Jun 2018 08:56

Is it really so hard to diversify the exteriors of each 'section' of these buildings to at least make it appear as though it is a string of unique structures instead of one massive building? It seems like such an easy thing to do, yet it almost never happens.
555 Ross, over in the West End sorta pulled it off...

I can't help but think that some of these will resemble the 'government housing' style architecture in twenty years or so.
"He doesn't know how to use the three seashells..."

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 06 Jun 2018 13:41

You make a good point about varying the exterior frontage. This one and the proposed new build at Cole & Armstrong, both are almost a city block long and could use some elevation variation.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Jun 2018 14:48

muncien wrote:It seems like such an easy thing to do, yet it almost never happens.
555 Ross, over in the West End sorta pulled it off...


Uh no. Adding stucco to 1/2 of the building does not qualify as making the facade look varied. Every development that tries to save cash does this..

I'm still pissed that the city allowed that. That's not historical and I still don't know how they got around that .

It can be done however. Look at the Arrive apartments in West end station. That's how you do it. But developers will go with the cheaper option more times than not..

https://www.corgan.com/projects/west-end-station/

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 07 Jun 2018 21:39

A Dallas developer traded affordable housing to build higher. Will others?

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas- ... ill-others

This is considered affordable?

In the current proposal, affordable housing means that families making 80 percent of the area median family income — $73,400 for a family of four — would be able to rent a unit for between $896 and $1,450 monthly. Those rents would change as the median income of the area changes. But the units would have to be kept within "affordable" ranges for a set period of time, such as 15 years.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby khres » 14 Jun 2018 19:52

0C130676-FB35-4B68-BBBF-458332896CE0.jpeg
New Wild About Harry’s parking signage going up in front of the former Little Katana on Travis st. They had hinted at staying in the neighborhood so this looks to be the spot. Makes me wonder what Dell/Retail Connections plans are for the rest of the building. Long-term leases to Harry’s and others or just something to cash flow until they kick off a development plan or maybe wait for the next cycle.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 14 Jun 2018 21:59

There's no way they would build out the restaurant in that space for a short term lease. I wouldn't even mind if this building stayed, I just want the old 7 Eleven to go and that lot be redeveloped.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby willyk » 16 Jun 2018 23:38

I wouldn’t exactly call Harry’s old finish out deluxe. Maybe there is enough restaurant stuff left in the Katana space to restart with minimal out of pocket.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby KTuser » 12 Jul 2018 10:34

Anyone have an update on the Knox Complete Street Project

https://dallascompletestreets.wordpress ... s-project/

From November 2016>
Posted by Mark R. Brown in Knox Street Complete Streets Project
Tentative Design Schedule

Conceptual design (20% complete) – 4/2017
Preliminary design (65% complete) – 7/2017
Pre-final design (85% complete) – 9/2017
Final design (100% complete) – 11/2017
Final design complete 12/2017
Tentative construction timeline

Construction award 3/2018
Construction start 4/2018
Construction complete 4/2019

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby flyswatter » 12 Jul 2018 11:12

So did it start 3 months ago?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby NdoorTX » 12 Jul 2018 11:52

I work on Knox. I have seen nothing.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Jul 2018 12:08

No sign of anything from what I can tell visiting the area. I wonder if some sort of wait is because related to utility work is behind this. Sylvan Blvd from SIngleton to I-30 was delayed while the city and AT&T argued over utility changes among other things. Those companies sometimes have to program those things into their budgets too delaying city projects.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby dfwcre8tive » 10 Aug 2018 15:59

Matt777 wrote:It's clear that the Highland Park Soda Fountain building will get some much needed restoration, but does this mean that the restaurant will close??? It is currently the oldest restaurant in Dallas and quite charming. It would be a terrible loss to see it go.


After 106 years, Highland Park Soda Fountain is closing

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... 12-closing

Highland Park Soda Fountain is about to break some hearts.

The 106-year-old institution is closing its longtime Knox Street location to make way for the construction of a 12-story office building with retail on the street level. It's unclear when or if the soda fountain will reopen.

But there's still time to come in for a milkshake and a grilled cheese sandwich cooked in view of customers who sit at the long counter lined with stools fastened to the floor. Eating at Highland Park Soda Fountain is an American-made experience that's slowly fading away.

"It's an emotional thing for customers and for us," said owners Sonny Williams and Gretchen Minyard Williams.

The last day will be Sunday, Sept. 9.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 10 Aug 2018 16:51

This is a little sad, survived for so long.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Matt777 » 11 Aug 2018 15:38

Ugh. I can't believe this. One of the only restaurants in Dallas anywhere near that old.... and an institution. Nothing is sacred in this city. My hope is that Weir's can revive it after they finish their new store, in the original location, refreshed and use it as their store cafe.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Aug 2018 12:22

Its one of those institutions that were holding on to a past that I often wonder how the business was working anyway. Sometimes when these places close from changes like this the owners just have no interest in managing anymore and they won't tell everyone there wasn't profit in it. They do it because people love it but eventually you just move on. I could certainly see new owners come in and restart it with a mixture of the classics the place was known for and try to mix in some new ideas to carry the brand into the future. Soda Fountains were kinda like Royal Blue groceries. They had food and some light groceries and with Trader Joes taking the grocery mantel they could still mix some local stuff in I am sure and find a nitch worth pursuing.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 12 Aug 2018 17:44

Matt777 wrote:Ugh. I can't believe this. One of the only restaurants in Dallas anywhere near that old.... and an institution. Nothing is sacred in this city. My hope is that Weir's can revive it after they finish their new store, in the original location, refreshed and use it as their store cafe.


I suppose if there is any viable option this might be it, seems like when they close something and then reopen after a long pause that something is somehow lost in the transition that just never quite feels the same.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby itsjrd1964 » 13 Aug 2018 06:53

There should be more places like this, not fewer. I am sad and stunned. There should be places besides chains to get good chocolate malts. I didn't know members of the Minyard family were involved with the business. Strange how 2 long-running local businesses go away and the same people were involved with both at some point. The Pharmacy/Soda Fountain will be missed.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby itsjrd1964 » 14 Aug 2018 08:51

Was able to stop by the Soda Fountain yesterday. Packed! Workers there told me that it's been that way ever since the announcement. I ended up enjoying a chocolate malt to go. So, for those wanting a malt, grilled cheese, or whatever else is left on the menu, expect to wait and bring your patience with you.

https://www.dmagazine.com/food-drink/20 ... s-closing/
https://dallas.eater.com/2018/8/13/1768 ... ember-2018

I forgot to get a full pic of the artwork of the replacement building, which appears on the Soda Fountain's building on the Travis side, but I found this at the Candy's Dirt site:

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Aug 2018 08:56

For those who don't want to visit the post back in November with all the renderings I will post them again.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Aug 2018 08:59

As long as Weir's doesn't let CVS take over the soda fountain space I will feel ok about it. Also as some further context Weirs was the one who was against the Knox street redo planned to make the street slower and more pedestrian-oriented because they had an office tower project in the planning stages.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Kelley USA » 14 Aug 2018 09:10

I can see some of the top restaurateurs in the city clamoring to take the soda fountain space… Of course it would also make a really cool 2-Level Nike Running concept store, or some other destination type retail.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby lakewoodhobo » 14 Aug 2018 09:53

itsjrd1964 wrote:There should be more places like this, not fewer. I am sad and stunned.


I say this all the time, but I also acknowledge that some of these businesses refuse to evolve. Oak Cliff just lost Aunt Stelle's Sno-Cones, and Wild About Harry's almost disappeared. Norma's Cafe has done an excellent job of staying relevant, and I love going to the location on W Davis although mostly for the nostalgia factor.

Evolving the brand and expanding to new locations is essential. I would love to have a place like Bubba's on Hillcrest closer to home rather than another Raising Cane's.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 15 Aug 2018 16:56

I took these photos of the Highland Park soda foundation building this past weekend. This building truly does need some TLC. I can see why the fountain would have to close in order for the renovations to be completed. Also, it would be very difficult to keep it open while a 12 story building (with underground parking) is built right next to it. I know it's done elsewhere.

Here's hoping they can return when the construction is complete.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby deweast » 16 Sep 2018 15:08

Anybody know what the status is of Alliance Residential's block size project south of Cole and Armstrong? I believe it received planning approval in the Spring. Has it gotten final approval since then? They worked hard with the neighbors to “fit” in but if the final decision has posted on the forum, I missed it. Also, anybody know what is going to be called?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 16 Sep 2018 16:05

Follain will be opening soon in the previous Wild About Harrys spot on Knox.


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