Waldozer wrote:As long as Drafthouse and Grimaldi's stay open, I really don't care too much about any of the other businesses. The popsicle place is really good, so I'd be disappointed to see them go.
Kelley USA wrote:The statements from Billy Bob's lawyer make me laugh... They had 700 less parking spaces than what they were promised? I'm sorry, the parking doesn't work that way! It's an open garage where people park wherever they can find a spot. Each restaurant or venue isn't designated given spots in the garage. In another article I heard him claim that the ARK Group gave 500 of their spots to someone else. Just stupid! You don't pull up to the gate and tell the guy where you're going. "I'm going to Gloria's for dinner"- "Sorry sir, the 200 Gloria's parking spots are already taken" - "Oh, I mean I'm going to Big Beat" - "Great, take a right and drive up to the 2nd level where you'll find all the marked spots for Big Beat". The lawyer in more than one article also claimed the Plaza area wasn't as big as what they were told it would be? Ummm, didn't you do your research? Even if the plaza was suppose to be bigger why would they want that? So their concerts could look even less crowded. You could only attract 30 people to come out each night anyways, but yet you wanted a bigger plaza? Come on man!
I have a feeling this will get tied up in court for awhile and these venues will most likely sit empty for some time. Hope I'm wrong though!
tamtagon wrote:Is it too much all at once?
TXGunLover wrote:Expected traffic to the venues is about 45% below plan for this period of development.
Kelley USA wrote:I think the numbers might surprise some people... I've never understood this notion that there's not enough people living in the area to support these places. From a WS Business Summary from 2016 there were 7K people living within 1 mile of the Urban Center, 75K people living within 3 miles and 255K living within 5 miles. In addition, the daytime working population within 5 miles of the Urban Center was 260K. That was back in 2016. Since then we've had 5 new apartment complexes open in the Urban Center alone, we have 3 others under construction, 2 townhouse developments and office leasing in Las Colinas has surged. Just like any other development, people are going to be attracted to places that have good food, good atmosphere and reasonable pricing. YardHouse, Grimaldi's, Thirsty Lion, Gloria's are all doing really well and stay pretty packed regardless of the night!
I think it's just a matter of restaurant operators putting money and effort into opening good concepts. I think Water Street will end up being the place that locals are attracted to because of the vibe, the hassle free parking and the options. I mean we have to remember that Water Street is technically still under construction. They updated their site plan about a week ago and they still show Londoner Pub and also the Gingerman. I feel confident that once completed and once some of the places start to open it'll be successful!
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