cowboyeagle05 wrote:I would like to throw in the ring; what is too long for streetcar route vs a rail line? MATA isn't near as long as some of the routes you propose. I am asking since I don't know the industry thoughts online system length and MATA may not be too long according to industry standards but I have to wonder if a route by a streetcar from Love to Downtown is troublesome or if a route lets say from Love to the Cedars or Love to lets say Bishop Arts would start to affect the routes effectiveness in some way. We know buses can go for miles just fine but there is an art to route length and complexity that affect routes overall success. A spaghetti route that weaves all over tends to have fewer riders than a straighter simple route that gets your cross town for example in a more A to B pattern.
exelone31 wrote:Awesome thread and great map! I love the single solitary "Finish Knox Station" point. I've always dreamed of someone prying up an old piece of plywood to uncovered a grand underground station.
Would it be feasible for the city to trial something like this with a bus before committing to a streetcar system? I feel like that's kind of the idea of the D Link, but have heard those are pretty unreliable to this point.
In addition, they could use this sweet "rail bus" that I found on the Google. Perhaps having a bus that looks like a train would reduce some of the stigma of using mass transit with exposed rubber tires.
Matt777 wrote:UPDATE: I added some Oak Cliff lines in Green, some of which is an extension of the existing Oak Cliff Streetcar Line. I also added in the existing DART Red and Blue Lines. This helps in seeing where the new streetcar lines would connect to the existing DART rail system. I still need to add the Orange and Green lines.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Matt777 wrote:UPDATE: I added some Oak Cliff lines in Green, some of which is an extension of the existing Oak Cliff Streetcar Line. I also added in the existing DART Red and Blue Lines. This helps in seeing where the new streetcar lines would connect to the existing DART rail system. I still need to add the Orange and Green lines.
What about the arboretum and White Rock lake? There definitely needs to be stop there.
electricron wrote:You can still see where the old Dallas streetcars turned around even though any signs of the old tracks are long gone. Few, if any, streetcars reached as far out as Loop 12, for several reasons. That's where the city limits reached, and that was also the limit where streetcars provided a great service (elapsed time into downtown). Streetcars averaging 20 mph can only go so far in a half hour.
There's are also many reasons why streetcars were replaced by buses. amongst them was Dallas was growing beyond Loop 12. It's a little unrealistic to believe a modern streetcar could provide a great commuting service into downtown Dallas from as far as Loop 12. If you want to reinstate streetcars into central Dallas, I suggest limiting their reach to where the old streetcar systems turn around. These locations aren't hard to find.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Personally, I recommend the Love Field connector line go from the airport and connect to the West Village MATA and if possible crossover 75 to a City Place end of the line. From what I've seen successful modern streetcar routes are simple and don't weave long and complicated routes. They need to connect important dots of course but not overlap too much unless in a deep urban center like the CBD.
PonyUp13 wrote:Wow - what a shame we threw that away.
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