Collin Creek Mall

[The_Overdog]

The city of Plano is funding a study to consider daylighting Spring Creek on the east side of Collin Creek Mall's parking lot. Two proposals will be studied -one to just daylight the creek and a second to include some ponds or something more like an 'amenity zone'.

I'm guessing this is the start of phase 1 of the redevelopment process for the mall.

[The_Overdog]

Macys will soon close, leaving only Sears, JC Penny, and Amazing Jakes as the anchors.

[DPatel304]

Can't wait to see what becomes of this mall. Plano is still in high demand, and this is a huge plot of land just waiting to be redeveloped. Perhaps 75/Bush has the potential to become the next DNT/121 intersection.

[vman]

Macys will soon close, leaving only Sears, JC Penny, and Amazing Jakes as the anchors.

That really puts this place on life support. Can't believe Macy's is closing this store and keeping the store in Irving Mall open. I used to imagine a redevelopment of both of these malls could be a pedestrian friendly open air concept that could include a new free-standing Macy's store. But considering Macy's current state, that seems unlikely.

[muncien]

Interestingly enough, both these malls that you mention (Collin Creek & Irving) have actual creeks running underneath them with trails nearby. The opportunity for a more open air redevelopment oriented around a day lighted water way, and connected to adjacent neighborhoods, is something that should be capitalized on.
City of Irving has some site plans depicting such a setup on their recently unveiled vision plans for the city, but I'm pretty sure they're just ideas and I doubt there is any concrete coordination with actual owner/developer yet.
But, this is something both of these malls should turn to. Incorporating residential into the developments would be an added bonus. Plenty of land to go around, and very high traffic locations for both.

[The_Overdog]

I completely agree. Collin Creek Mall is actually not connected to its nearby neighborhood at all - there are no sidewalks along Alma Road connecting any of the nearby homes or apartments to the mall, and the mall is fronted by empty space with no sidewalks, and the entry on the neighborhood side is surprisingly narrow, as in only wide enough for cars with no real space for walking. The neighborhoods surrounding the mall for the most part don't have sidewalks, which is actually very rare for a Plano neighborhood. All around this area has had almost no investment really since it was built. And you are correct that the Plano Chisolm Trail runs nearby, but the mall nor neighborhoods are connected to it in any way.

I also can't believe they covered the creek for overflow parking. Nothing about the design and placement of this mall was context sensitive or anything but lazy and dumb.

Funnily enough, if Macys holds on for about another year in this location, the first new residences in 30 years will come on-line nearby at the corner of Alma & Plano Parkway, and the new Cityline area not more than a mile away will bring another ~1000 residents. May help it hold on for another year.

[LongonBigD]

I specifically went to this Macy's during the holiday shopping blitz because I knew there would be nobody shopping there. I was right. I guess the secret's out.

[exelone31]

http://www.guidelive.com/food-and-drink/2017/01/25/rodeo-goat-burgers-flying-fish-restaurant-opening-plano?_ga=1.187590959.660497674.1475513503

Good news for the Collin Creek Mall area. Didn't realize they were incorporating retail into this development. Would pair verrrrry nicely with a redo of the Mall site.

[Tnexster]

I specifically went to this Macy's during the holiday shopping blitz because I knew there would be nobody shopping there. I was right. I guess the secret's out.

I remember when I used to go to malls.

[The_Overdog]

JC Penny at Collin Creek Mall (and all DFW area stores) survives the latest purge of 138 stores nationwide. It will remain open.

[The_Overdog]

Word on the street is that a developer has purchased 50 acres of Collin Creek Mall and has put together a mixed use development which retains most of the mall, and the developer is looking to purchase another 50 acres surrounding the mall.

I think they are still reviewing initial plans with neighborhood groups that are generally supportive.

[tamtagon]

So far, I've been loving the new life proposed for this suburban shopping mall.

[DPatel304]

Word on the street is that a developer has purchased 50 acres of Collin Creek Mall and has put together a mixed use development which retains most of the mall, and the developer is looking to purchase another 50 acres surrounding the mall.

I think they are still reviewing initial plans with neighborhood groups that are generally supportive.

Just stumbled upon the article for this:
https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort ... ome-focus/

[jrd1964]

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... amazon-hq2

There may be a buyer for the mall property. A developer is looking at redevelopment, with the possibility of attracting Amazon's 2nd corporate campus.

[LongonBigD]

I really like the idea of daylighting Spring Creek (currently under the mall) and bringing mixed use. I can see this as a hybrid of Legacy and Watters Creek. A real opportunity here for Plano to further expand its cache and tax base.

[tamtagon]

(parking) Lots of potential at Collin Creek Mall. We may be watching phase three of the formidable suburban evolution pioneered in Plano.

[I45Tex]

Think they beat you to that suburbia phase three tagline already:

http://www.gatewayplanning.com/radiate/ ... .20.17.pdf

[tamtagon]

^hahaha

[The_Overdog]

I see they are mentioning the "northern CottonBelt alternative" to Amazon for that site but Richardson and DART are pushing the southern CottonBelt alternative pretty hard, and have an engineering plan and potential station locations determined already. Also there is no station adjacent, so Amazon would be able to watch the train go by but wouldn't really be able to use it.
Regionalism. Haha.

[DPatel304]

One possible plan to redevelop Plano's ailing Collin Creek Mall depicts a sized-down retail center supplemented by mixed-use concepts and a man-made riverwalk feature. (Rendering courtesy Dreien Opportunity Partners)

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort ... ring-part/

[NdoorTX]

Here are some renderings from Omniplan. I don't know if they are the current vision- but quite a change!
http://www.omniplan.com/work/projects/collincreek.html

[whit5125]

This plan looks promising, if a little too hopeful, but I'll take it. That mall is fast on its way to being what happened to valley view.

But please let's stop with the nonsense that this is a site for Amazon. Its not. If anyone bothered to read any of the requirements, of which Plano as a whole does not meet, and only can offer cheap land and easy access to DFW. Amazon has already been touring the sites in downtown Dallas and never visited the burbs.

If Amazon chooses DFW, it will only be in downtown.

[cowboyeagle05]

But regionalism!!!!!

[The_Overdog]

Apparently the redesign on this property is on-hold again as Dreien Partners couldn't reach a deal with Amazing Jakes to sell. The Amazing Jakes property is on the east side and adjacent to the open river/creek in the fancy renderings though what is now the parking lot.

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort ... s-on-hold/

[exelone31]

Apparently the redesign on this property is on-hold again as Dreien Partners couldn't reach a deal with Amazing Jakes to sell. The Amazing Jakes property is on the east side and adjacent to the open river/creek in the fancy renderings though what is now the parking lot.

https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort ... s-on-hold/

Wow, I didn't realize the anchor tenants actually owned the properties they are on. I always thought a single company owned the entire mall building. That's a bummer, as that area would really benefit from a refreshed development.

[The_Overdog]

Wow, I didn't realize the anchor tenants actually owned the properties they are on

Yes, it's pretty common that the anchor tenants own their own land - which is why redeveloping malls is so hard. I think Valley View is having the same problems with various owners. That's why malls as designed slowly die rather than being redone- it's hard to do anything big with them because there are too many cooks in the kitchen.

[cowboyeagle05]

Yeah in the case of departments stores like Sears they have partnered with a firm to redevelop the property their stores sit on even when it's on a mall property in every location they have or had a store on.

[itsjrd1964]

A snag in negotiations with a lender has led to a lawsuit.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -mall-deal

[The_Overdog]

After Sam Ware lost the mall to the lender and lawsuit mentioned above, now developer Mehrdad Moayedi's Centurion American Development Group (they did the Statler Hotel) is attempting to purchase Collin Creek Mall, signed a purchase contract, and has 90 days to close.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... creek-mall

The lawsuit article stated that the Oklahoma lender that changed requirements on Ware killing his deal - also suggested another buyer was interested and they gave confidential info to them. Not sure if that other potential buyer is Centurion American or not.

[cowboyeagle05]

Centurion seems like they could be getting ahead of themselves considering they are doing the Cabana Hotel and that massive mixed-use development project in South Dallas and still working on the Statler. As long as they finish the former Cabana Hotel on 35 I'll just sit back and watch the rest unfold if they fail taking on these larger and larger projects.