I went ahead and poked the bear since I was all worked up about Flower Mounds terrible lights. Thought you guys might find this interesting if you have 5-10 minutes. Email thread starts at bottom....
So tiring to hear "traffic studies" and "its so hard." Pretty much the same answer I got 4-5 years ago, the last time I ruffled feathers over at Town Hall. Other towns seem to be able to do it, but apparently Flower Mound is special...LOL
Alex Rodriguez Today at 2:53 PM
To Matthew Hotelling
CC Mayor - Tom Hayden Place1 - Jason Webb Place2 - Bryan Webb Place3 - Kevin Bryant Place4 - Don McDaniel and 4 more...
Thanks Matthew for the information and the detail. Whatever you can do to improve it would be beneficial.
My biggest issue isn't so much at the big intersections, but the fact that the lights in between the big intersections aren't synchronized either. Going South on 2499 from 1171 to 3040 for instance, it is a normal occurrence to be stopped at Churchill, Sagebrush, Firewheel and Forest Vista. When there are 14 lights in a 5 mile stretch of road, at the least, could the Town figure out timing for a stretch like this? My earlier email, its not exaggerating that if I'm travelling on 2499 between 1171 and 407, I'll be stopped at Windsor, West Windsor, Waketon, and Dixon.
I understand that a emergency vehicle can throw off sequencing, that cannot be avoided. But I also regularly travel along 1171 in Lewisville, and for instance, if you get stopped at Old Orchard heading East, it is very common from that point to hit green lights at Civic, Valley, Civic again, Summit and Wal-Mart. Sometimes all the way through Edmonds and I-35. Coming back east bound, its the same thing. Usually one stop and then its green all the way through. This is day in, day out. An emergency vehicle does throw the sequencing off for sure, but that is the exception, not the rule.
It should be an attainable goal to greatly reduce the stops between major intersections.
Thanks for your time, appreciate the information, and your timely, thoughtful responses to my email. Hopefully you guys can get this optimized asap.
From: Matthew Hotelling <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: 'Alex Rodriguez'
Cc: Mayor - Tom Hayden <Mayor@flower-mound.com>; Place1 - Jason Webb <PLACE1@flower-mound.com>; Place2 - Bryan Webb <PLACE2@flower-mound.com>; Place3 - Kevin Bryant <PLACE3@flower-mound.com>; Place4 - Don McDaniel <Place4@flower-mound.com>; Place5 - Itamar Gelbman <PLACE5@flower-mound.com>; Jimmy Stathatos <email@example.com>; Debra Wallace <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Kenneth Parr <email@example.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: 2499 and 1171 in DESPERATE need of signal light timing
First of all thank you for your concerns with the traffic conditions of our town. We are currently working on two projects to improve both of those corridors. The FM 1171 is nearing completion through a North Central Texas Council of Governments grant. We’ve recently completed our traffic study on FM 2499 and currently working through that information and updating the timing plans through that area. Information received through our Traffic Operations Manager who is looking at the data has indicated that we are seeing about a 20% increase in the numbers since that last study was done approximately 4 years ago.
With that said, we will not be able to retime our way out of the congestion. Improve, yes. Eliminate, no. It’s not as simple as using a stopwatch. Delay at intersection needs to be taken into consideration for all of the drivers involved, including the side streets. The general purpose of signals is to allow a safer entry for the side street into the main street flow. Traffic signal inhibit main street flow simply by being in operation. Just to put into perspective the amount of traffic that is being accommodated through, for instance, the FM 1711 and FM 2499 intersection during the peak hours is 6,092 and 6,772 during the AM and PM peak hour respectively. Equivalent of the entire population of either Decatur or Bridgeport in a single occupant vehicle during the peak hour. The best laid plans can get thwarted if a fire truck, EMS, PD is traveling through the intersection on an emergency call or a pedestrian crosses any intersection along the corridor during the peak hours. Any of these can cause the sequencing of the traffic lights to be out of sync for upwards of 10 minutes. During those 10 minutes, traffic does not flow efficiently and causes more congestion that hopefully the system can recover from during the remaining peak hour. Major intersections like FM 2499 and FM 1171 are unlikely to recover very well. If there is a particular intersection along the corridor that you are having issues with, please let me know the intersection and the time of day that you are traveling through.
Matthew J. Hotelling, P.E., PTOE
Town of Flower Mound
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From: Alex Rodriguez
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 11:09 AM
To: Place3 - Kevin Bryant; Jimmy Stathatos; Matthew Hotelling
Subject: Re: 2499 and 1171 in DESPERATE need to signal light timing
Thank you very much for your quick response. While I understand not wanting to re do traffic studies, I'm trying to understand why some type of traffic study / professional services engagement is needed.
Get someone with a stopwatch and someone who knows how to program your existing traffic management system and get it done, the citizens of this Town shouldn't have to wait for possibly years for a new traffic study.
From: Place3 - Kevin Bryant <PLACE3@flower-mound.com>
To: Alex Rodriguez; Jimmy Stathatos <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Matthew Hotelling <email@example.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: 2499 and 1171 in DESPERATE need of signal light timing
Thank you for contacting us. We are aware of the traffic issues in our town and we are working on resolutions. We have requested a traffic study on each of the main roadways to have the signals optimised to the best setting for traffic flow. We are waiting on all the recent construction projects to be finished so we won't have to re do these studies again.
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From: Alex Rodriguez
Date: 5/9/17 10:20 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Mayor - Tom Hayden <Mayor@flower-mound.com>, Place1 - Jason Webb <PLACE1@flower-mound.com>, Place2 - Bryan Webb <PLACE2@flower-mound.com>, Place3 - Kevin Bryant <PLACE3@flower-mound.com>, Place4 - Don McDaniel <Place4@flower-mound.com>, Place5 - Itamar Gelbman <PLACE5@flower-mound.com>, Heather Garner <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: 2499 and 1171 in DESPERATE need of signal light timing
Hello, my name is Alex Rodriguez, I'm a resident of Flower Mound for the past 15 years. I live at xxxx xxxxxxx Dr.
First of all, thank you for your service. Congrats to those of you who won your races in the recent election. The topic of this email is something I'm sure most of you have at least heard about from other citizens, or have familiarity with with driving on 2499 or 1171.
2499 between 3040 Lakeside and 407 is possibly one of the least efficient corridors in all of DFW from a traffic management perspective. There are, by my count 14 lights in that stretch, and there are plans to add at least 1 more at College Parkway. And most days, you will likely be stopped by 12 or 13 lights in that stretch. I would be happy to record a typical commute on the stretch, either northbound or southbound, and bring the video into a town council meeting for review. If so, please pack a lunch as the video will likely take the entire length of the Town Council meeting to play from beginning to end.
I've heard similar feedback from multiple friends in Flower Mound, and others that live in the periphery or Flower Mound who have had the misfortune of having to take 2499 to Grapevine Mills or DFW airport. Not only is it inconvenient for residents to sit in light after light, but the amount of pollution that is created from cars idling at intersections is not something a Town so concerned with the environment and the Master Plan should be happy about.
All the signals at the locations in question appear to have Traffic Management capabilities. Why can't the Town of Flower Mound synchronize the lights in either direction during rush hour? Synchronize southbound in the mornings, northbound in the evenings? Obviously would be difficult at the major intersections, but between 1171 and 407, you shouldn't have to stop 5 times (soon to be 6) at Windsor, West Windsor, Waketon, Dixon, and then 3040. Same between 3040 and 1171. Why do the lights seemingly give priority to side street traffic at those locations?
Lewisville does a much better job of light timing on 1171 between Garden Ridge and I35E, eastbound during the mornings, westbound in the evenings.
Sadly 1171 in Flower Mound doesn't benefit from the traffic management setup that Lewisville has, but I won't bore you with another paragraph describing that mess and tangle of lights all the way to Bridlewood.
This should be an easy win for someone in Traffic Management, and the Town. Figure it out! Many other towns in the area have.