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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby vman » 05 Dec 2017 07:13

Kelley USA wrote:They kind of all run together, but that's a Sleep Experts up on 635. Sleep Number tends to be a tad more upscale. There is one at Grapevine Mills, Shops of Southlake, Park Lane in Dallas... Might be a good fit for this development. I was never actually a fan of having a fast food drive-thru there.

Actually, I think the retail in this development is lousy. Sleep Number is fine in the other developments because there's plenty of other retail. This development isn't very large, so I would have thought better retail would have been chosen. Right now, after shopping at Whole Foods, you can check your data plan at Sprint and look at your investment portfolio at Fidelity Investments. I would have been satisfied if Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts would have gone in the Pollo spot. Would have made a good Torchy's Tacos too.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby vman » 05 Dec 2017 07:16

vman wrote:
Kelley USA wrote:They kind of all run together, but that's a Sleep Experts up on 635. Sleep Number tends to be a tad more upscale. There is one at Grapevine Mills, Shops of Southlake, Park Lane in Dallas... Might be a good fit for this development. I was never actually a fan of having a fast food drive-thru there.

Actually, I think the retail in this development is lousy. Sleep Number is fine in the other developments because there's plenty of other retail. This development isn't very large, so I would have thought better retail would have been chosen. Right now, after shopping at Whole Foods, you can check your data plan at Sprint and look at your investment portfolio at Fidelity Investments. I would have been satisfied if Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts would have gone in the Pollo spot. Would have made a good Torchy's Tacos too. You know, something that actually brings people. Seem like such a waste of retail space for a strip anchored by something as popular as Whole Foods.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Kelley USA » 06 Dec 2017 12:55

Looks like the NorthShore site is for sale... This is very recent.

https://my.hfflp.com/GetDocument?BBArgs ... _VaLlUbFJx

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby muncien » 11 Dec 2017 09:41

Here's a shot of the urban center this morning... You can see Water Street taking shape, although from a distance.
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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby muncien » 11 Dec 2017 09:45

I didn't get a pic yet, but the new PRT station for Water Street is coming along rather quickly as well. They're only building station access from the southern side of the tracks. I don't believe there is any intent to use the opposite track going forward. So to get from the Urban Center Station over to the Urban Towers, you would have to take the PRT to the Clock Tower station and then transfer to the other side (a new crossover was being built so you don't have to go down stairs and then back up... not sure if it's done yet), and then take that tram to the Urban Towers station.
Or, you could just take DART to Convention Center station and walk, if you are heading to the Music Factory. Walking along the promenade behind Williams Square really wouldn't take much longer.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Kelley USA » 11 Dec 2017 11:27

Water Street is sort of exceeding my expectations. It's coming along nicely. Music Factory is big and bold, but I think Water Street will be the nice little neighborhood center with great restaurants and a good atmosphere. The park in front is looking good and they're getting ready to start on the fountains in the back. I'm digging it!

On another note, all you Torchy's Taco fans fear not... I noticed some work being done on the old Applebee's space on 635 near MacArthur. Turns out Torchy's is taking over.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby muncien » 11 Dec 2017 12:09

Water Street retail will have a strong presence along O'conner. I am extremely grateful that they didn't go with that one short lived pitch that had two more rows of parking IN FRONT of the shops, and instead put it back behind them where it should be. While the scale of these shops are good, they certainly could have put some apartments on top of them. But, I guess we can take the good with the bad on this one. In the end, it should be fairly solid, and definitely something the urban center has been lacking... big time.

Great news about Torchy's... but that is a tuff location. Hopefully they generate enough interest to make it work.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Kelley USA » 14 Dec 2017 12:17

I feel like something is semi-brewing at the Hidden Ridge development. I know the City Council has been meeting in Executive Session for the past few months regarding Verizon and Hidden Ridge. Could be nothing at all, but something is certainly being discussed.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby muncien » 21 Dec 2017 11:22

Last time I saw unmarked helicopters flying low circles around the Music Factory/Convention Center area, we seemed to get the Hidden Ridge announcement shortly afterward.
Again today, we have an unmarked helicopter (much bigger than a news chopper) scoping out the Urban Center, flying some low passes around Williams Square, before eventually flying toward the NorthPark area.
It's probably nothing, but it's certainly not normal activity.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Kelley USA » 03 Jan 2018 16:38

I saw them putting some new zoning change signs at the corner of 161 and 114. This is the 36 acres owned by Blue Star Land and being marketed by Lincoln Property. Wonder if they're getting ready to move on it?

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Waldozer » 05 Jan 2018 00:04

Just noticed a lot of new opening dates for businesses at Toyota Music Factory. Bar Louie and Thirsty Lion have been respectably holding down the fort for a while now but the Brazilian steakhouse is supposedly opening in four days. Grimaldis Pizzeria is opening at the end of January and Drafthouse movie theater at the end of February. More dates here: http://toyotamusicfactory.com/events/

I haven’t heard much about Water Street. Nothing seems to be opened yet and there are many for lease signs on windows. A DMN article from November said that they’d start opening in thanksgiving and were 60% leased. According to the linked article below, some businesses are slated to open in 2018.

http://www.meetings-conventions.com/art ... x?id=69601

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Kelley USA » 05 Jan 2018 12:22

Yes, Grimaldi's and YardHouse should be open at the end of this month. The finish-out on YardHouse is basically complete. Looks great inside!

As for Water Street, there are basically just 3 tenants doing build out right now. The GQ Tailor, Nail Spa and El Famoso. They do have a number of tenants signed but getting the build-outs started has been painfully slow. Confirmed they do have State Fare Kitchen, Cork & Pig, Londoner Pub, Cafe Herrera, Main Street Bakery, Grabagreen, Creamistry, Olivella's Pizza, Go Fish Poke, Waxing the City and Jinya Ramen. So it is probably 60% - 70% leased now.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby dallasbeatsaustin » 06 Jan 2018 22:13

Is that the same Londoner Pub as the one in Addison?

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby mwaskow » 07 Jan 2018 19:19

I thought there was also supposed to be a Twisted Root Burger opening at Water Street? Where is the site of the proposed Market Street?

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby TXGunLover » 07 Jan 2018 19:32

Propoaed market Street is for Las Colinas and the George Bush.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby jrd1964 » 13 Jan 2018 14:44

In the last few days, the state has put up new blue guide signs for the Music Factory. They are along TX 114 and the part of NW Highway near Las Colinas.

(sorry about the night shots--was so surprised to see these last night, I had to stop and snap)
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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby muncien » 17 Jan 2018 14:15

I just saw on City of Irving's meeting agenda for tomorrow a request to put a gated town home community on the lot adjacent to Irving Convention Center Station. That makes zero sense... The density is all wrong. This comes after recently scolding the next property over for not including retail along the same 'Kiss & Ride' street in their proposal (4-story apartments). Yet here we are allowing a wrought iron gated fence in the same place...
I'm all for owner occupied units, but this is just ridiculous. Already approved by P&Z. This essentially mimics what happened at O'conner across from the Urban Center DART station.
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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Waldozer » 18 Jan 2018 08:03

“This essentially mimics what happened at O'conner across from the Urban Center DART station.”

What development are you referring to? The townhomes on the corner of E Las Colinas Blvd and Riverside?

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby TXGunLover » 18 Jan 2018 08:07

The old Pollo Tropical location in the Whole Foods parking lot will become a Sleep Number Bed store.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby muncien » 18 Jan 2018 09:27

Waldozer wrote:“This essentially mimics what happened at O'conner across from the Urban Center DART station.”

What development are you referring to? The townhomes on the corner of E Las Colinas Blvd and Riverside?


The same folks (InTown) who built the ones you are talking about also got approval to do the same at Oconner. I didn't dig into the latest request, but I would bet it is them as well. So, that would make three townhome developments in the Urban Center when all is said and done. I wouldn't be surprised if they pursue an adjacent lot next to their latest site either... Once you open that door, its easier to get approval for that density around it.

I do love their product... just not in these last two locations.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby Kelley USA » 19 Jan 2018 09:16

I was totally dumbfounded when I saw they wanted to build a gated townhome community in the urban center. I gave up about a year ago in hoping the City would do the right thing with the remaining land in the Urban Center. The reality is you have suburban minded people making decisions for an urban area. And just to note, the parcel they're looking at is right next to where the Texican Court hotel is going up...

I did actually notice this morning several trucks on the site of the now defunct NorthShore development. They were taking soil samples. However, I'm sure it's just another apartment developer kicking the tires.

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Re: Las Colinas/North Irving Development

Postby DPatel304 » 19 Jan 2018 09:43

Kelley USA wrote:I was totally dumbfounded when I saw they wanted to build a gated townhome community in the urban center. I gave up about a year ago in hoping the City would do the right thing with the remaining land in the Urban Center. The reality is you have suburban minded people making decisions for an urban area. And just to note, the parcel they're looking at is right next to where the Texican Court hotel is going up...


Haha, I get so frustrated when I look at the suburban/urban developments around DFW. Some of them have some decent potential, but the potential gets squandered almost immediately but dumb decisions such as this. I don't understand the mindset. You can build gated townhome communities almost anywhere, but there's only a finite amount of land available near these walkable developments.


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