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Re: Legacy West

Postby Jasimm » 19 Feb 2017 16:34

Fabletics & Sephora announced as a new retail tenants.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby The_Overdog » 20 Feb 2017 12:10

Legacy West isn't the only part of Legacy that continues to grow. A 10 story office building on Bishop Blvd in Legacy (Legacy original? AM? Legacy Legacy? Legacy East? whatever) with a 9 level parking lot at 210 ft tall is in the works, and will replace an empty lot. After that one is either completed or sold out, a 2nd building kitty corner on Bishop Blvd & Legacy Circle will replace a park. 11 story office building with 9story garage, also 210 feet tall. Each will have 2 stories of their parking underground, so the garages will be slightly shorter than the buildings.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby tamtagon » 23 Feb 2017 08:44

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... -boom.html

Evan Hoopfer -Digital Reporter Dallas Business Journal

...More than 250,000 people work in Plano including 70,000 from outside of the city, according to Lissa Smith, Plano mayor pro tem.

“When all this new development is completed, this area here will have more square footage of office space than the city of Fort Worth,” said Steve Thelen, managing director at JLL. “We are really our own market now.”


Remarkable!

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Re: Legacy West

Postby exelone31 » 23 Feb 2017 11:55

Steve Thelen, managing director, JLL, on traffic

When the 20,000 or 30,000 jobs come to that corner — an average commute time in DFW that’s acceptable is about 30 minutes — the new commutes here will take close to an hour based on traffic. We’re the ‘center of the universe,’ so there’s a price to pay.

Mark Israelson, deputy city manager, City of Plano, on transportation challenges

Traffic is definitely going to be a by-product of success. We’re bringing in all these employees and they’re going to drive. But Plano is unique in the way we’re approaching this, even within the region. Over the last two years, our city council has dedicated $120 million to finance road improvements, in addition to the $80 million this year the city council invested. We’re working hard.


Last I read (a month or two ago), Plano was still looking at the options for handling the traffic bump. I'm curious what the $120M road improvements entail. If it's an extra lane both ways on the DNT, that won't do the trick.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby exelone31 » 02 Mar 2017 09:40

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2017/03/02/tax-services-firm-ryan-buys-hq-site-planos-legacy-west

I know this was out on the thread a while back as it was rumored, but apparently official.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby I45Tex » 09 Mar 2017 16:04

http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/content-tracks/colo-cloud/why-data-centers-are-heading-for-dallas/97180.article

In the twelve months covering Q4 2015 through Q3 2016, datacenterhawk David Liggitt estimated the Metroplex data center market grew "from 252MW to 275MW of commissioned power," a more reliable measure than square footage now.
Of the corporate activity around Legacy he writes, "Users like this typically prefer proximity to their data center infrastructure, and providers with facilities in these areas are good candidates for future requirements needed by these companies."

http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/content-tracks/colo-cloud/2017-5-thoughts-on-dallas-data-centers/97455.fullarticle

Just something else to keep an eye on.

While DMN is reporting that the Metroplex has passed Chicago and NorCal to come in #2 nationally for metro data centers, CBRE's numbers that they're using are not as comprehensive as Jones Lang Lasalle's:

"In 2016, new projects increased D-FW data center space more than 25 percent to a total capacity of 208 megawatts," reported DMN; but JLL counted 403MW already existing in the Metroplex at the beginning of the same period, twice as much as all of the other Texan metros put together.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 10 Mar 2017 13:33

DART service changes hope to streamline access to Legacy West, Cypress Waters

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/dart/201 ... ess-waters

As Plano ramps up for the arrival of Toyota employees at their new Legacy West headquarters in the coming months, Dallas Area Rapid Transit will launch a new express route linking the $3 billion campus to the Parker Road rail station.

The changes will go into effect Monday.

The transit agency has extended bus route 208 past the Northwest Plano Park and Ride in order to serve corporate campuses in the Legacy West area. That new route will directly serve corporations such as JC Penney, Toyota, Liberty Mutual and JP Morgan Chase.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby exelone31 » 11 Mar 2017 07:16

Interesting, I wonder how popular that bus route will be. It's good to at least here there's going to be some attempt to divert that gridlock.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 23 Mar 2017 09:55

JPMorgan to start first move into Plano’s Legacy West in September

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... egacy.html

JPMorgan Chase will begin moving employees from a pair of offices in Lewisville into the mega bank’s new Legacy West campus in September, a spokesman confirmed to the Dallas Business Journal Wednesday.

The move will include roughly 1,600 employees, primarily in the bank’s mortgage servicing department. It’s expected to be completed in October.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 23 Mar 2017 15:21

JPMorgan Chase is adding to its huge Legacy West campus

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/real ... est-campus

The financial services and banking company plans to have about 6,000 workers in the West Plano development when it opens this fall, a Chase spokesman said.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby DPatel304 » 23 Mar 2017 20:27

Escape Hatch Dallas originally reported a rumor that Shake Shack’s Plano location would soon be making its debut, and Eater can now confirm that the burger joint will officially arrive on March 29.

http://dallas.eater.com/2017/3/23/15037 ... march-2017

I had no idea that we were so close to retail opening in Legacy West. Is anything currently open in Legacy West or is this the first?

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Jasimm » 23 Mar 2017 22:17

DPatel304 wrote:
Escape Hatch Dallas originally reported a rumor that Shake Shack’s Plano location would soon be making its debut, and Eater can now confirm that the burger joint will officially arrive on March 29.

http://dallas.eater.com/2017/3/23/15037 ... march-2017

I had no idea that we were so close to retail opening in Legacy West. Is anything currently open in Legacy West or is this the first?


I know West Elm is already open, but this might be the second.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 30 Mar 2017 16:05

Curating a destination: Developer Fehmi Karahan begins delivery on $3.2B vision (Photos)

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... rahan.html

Lots of pics, this one is looking good.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Dtown214 » 02 Apr 2017 22:08

Nice!

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 05 Apr 2017 15:11

Aerospace giant Boeing to create global services HQ at Plano's Legacy West

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... j=77856561

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 06 Apr 2017 15:25

Liberty Mutual reaches milestone on $325M campus in Plano's Legacy West

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... us-in.html

The regional campus, which is expected to hold up to 5,000 employees, has reached its most vertical point of 19 stories, which is being marked with a topping out ceremony on Tuesday.

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Postby Tnexster » 07 Apr 2017 15:28

Down to the wire, developers racing to finish Plano's Legacy West

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... egacy-west

With only two months to go before the grand opening, construction workers are in a race to finish the Legacy West Urban Village in Plano.

"The Boeing sign is going to go right there," said Fehmi Karahan, developer of the $400 million mixed-use project, which just scored a new high-profile office tenant, Boeing's global services division.

The new division of the aerospace giant will move into the third floor of the building at Legacy Drive and the Dallas North Tollway later this year.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 12 Apr 2017 12:49

Liberty Mutual hires 1,150 workers, looking for thousands more before opening $325M Plano campus

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... g-for.html

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 21 Apr 2017 09:24

Legacy West's tallest tower starts construction next week

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -next-week

NE Development plans to break ground next week on the tallest building in Plano's $3 billion Legacy West project.

Called LVL 29, the 29-story apartment tower will be built next door to Liberty Mutual Insurance's new office campus just south of State Highway 121.

The $100 million residential high-rise has been in the works for more than a year. It's the tallest North Texas residential building outside of Dallas.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 21 Apr 2017 09:32

^The Tower in Fort Worth is 36 floors so I am not sure that last line is correct.

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Postby Tucy » 21 Apr 2017 10:18

Tnexster wrote:^The Tower in Fort Worth is 36 floors so I am not sure that last line is correct.


LOL Yeah, Steve does let himself get carried away when he's pimping for new developments. FWIW, The Tower is 488 feet. Lvl 29 appears to be heading for about 360 feet; so not even close.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby tamtagon » 21 Apr 2017 11:20

I'm so totally hoping in that booster club sort of way for the remaining real estate locked up in those 80/90s corporate fortress campuses redevelops with at least a few skyscrapers, breaking the 500' threshold. Getting this part of town firmly marked on the horizon would a good thing.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Apr 2017 15:38

tamtagon wrote:I'm so totally hoping in that booster club sort of way for the remaining real estate locked up in those 80/90s corporate fortress campuses redevelops with at least a few skyscrapers, breaking the 500' threshold. Getting this part of town firmly marked on the horizon would a good thing.


I wish FW would grow more so than Plano. I can't think of any major relocation / project under way or completed in Tarrant county in A while....

The rangers... Come on.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Waldozer » 21 Apr 2017 16:23

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
tamtagon wrote:I'm so totally hoping in that booster club sort of way for the remaining real estate locked up in those 80/90s corporate fortress campuses redevelops with at least a few skyscrapers, breaking the 500' threshold. Getting this part of town firmly marked on the horizon would a good thing.


I wish FW would grow more so than Plano. I can't think of any major relocation / project under way or completed in Tarrant county in A while....

The rangers... Come on.


Yeah, for real. Fort Worth could use those high rises going up in Plano.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby I45Tex » 25 Apr 2017 03:19

According to [url]factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/PEP/2016/GCTPEPANNR.US23PR[/url] the Dallas-Plano-Irving Metropolitan Division is 4.8 million and the remainder is 2.4 million, so I don't think Fort Worth can really shift the center of mass of that talent ecosystem.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 25 Apr 2017 13:01

The Legacy/Frisco area will have more office space than downtown FW this year as all those projects get completed and it will be growing more and will likely rival downtown Dallas at some point in the future that is probably closer than most think.

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Postby Tucy » 25 Apr 2017 13:40

Tnexster wrote:The Legacy/Frisco area will have more office space than downtown FW this year as all those projects get completed and it will be growing more and will likely rival downtown Dallas at some point in the future that is probably closer than most think.


Wow. Very true. Perhaps more true than you thought.

The Legacy/Frisco area I guess would be the Upper Toll/West Plano and Frisco/The Colony submarkets.

-- Dallas downtown (CBD) has 33,249,879 square feet of office space (including the little bit that is under construction).
-- Upper Toll/West Plano and Frisco/The Colony have 35,785,940 square feet (including almost 6 million square feet under construction).
-- Just the Upper Toll/West Plano submarket has 29,591,923 square feet, already well more than double downtown Ft. Worth, and fast approaching downtown Dallas.
-- Ft. Worth CBD has 11,580,464 square feet of office space.

https://www.transwestern.com/api/data/resource/?id=%2fresearch%2fDocuments%2fCentral+-+Dallas+Fort+Worth+Office+Outlook+-+Q4+2016.pdf&h=a49f15e86829a54212291db7a1974cf8

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 25 Apr 2017 13:42

That was fast! Thanks for looking that up.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby muncien » 25 Apr 2017 13:52

How much does the Frisco CBD have?

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tucy » 25 Apr 2017 14:07

Further to the office market stats above, downtown Dallas is fast heading towards having less than 10% of the office space in the North Texas market (just a hair over 10.6% now, counting space under construction).

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Postby tanzoak » 25 Apr 2017 14:55

Tucy wrote:Wow. Very true. Perhaps more true than you thought.

The Legacy/Frisco area I guess would be the Upper Toll/West Plano and Frisco/The Colony submarkets.

-- Dallas downtown (CBD) has 33,249,879 square feet of office space (including the little bit that is under construction).
-- Upper Toll/West Plano and Frisco/The Colony have 35,785,940 square feet (including almost 6 million square feet under construction).
-- Just the Upper Toll/West Plano submarket has 29,591,923 square feet, already well more than double downtown Ft. Worth, and fast approaching downtown Dallas.


You're comparing a very large area to a very small one. Uptown/Turtle Creek has another 15 million, Stemmons aka Medical District another 14 million.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 25 Apr 2017 15:12

^Even when you consider Uptown it's still shocking how much space has been built up north and how much has yet to be completed. The amount that is still in the pipeline dwarfs anything going up downtown/uptown. Projecting out you can already see Legacy area competing with downtown for the dominant position in the region, FW isn't even in the picture. The advantage that downtown has is population, arts, walkability...all those things that help make it a destination. That is not going anywhere, we are just going to end up with two very large central business districts. It's probably a net advantage for the region.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Waldozer » 25 Apr 2017 21:34

Legacy beating out Dallas? Forget pipeline, you're talking pipe dreams. Perot Jr.'s gotten into your head, saying that companies no longer want supertalls in the CBD and instead want to relocate to suburban campuses. In reality, the past 20 years have seen an urban renaissance. People and companies want the live, work, play of high-density cities they saw in the 90s on Friends and Seinfeld. Even retired couples are more likely now to want to live close to the CBD. Meanwhile, a place like Frisco or Plano won't be able to develop the density required because that area has the same problem Fort Worth has - companies can just build out and out - business park after business park. Suburban community after suburban community. The critique Fort Worth's mayor made of Dallas - that it was doomed because it was choked off by its suburbs is in fact what ensures that companies that want desirable locations for its highly skilled workforce and clientele will have to be tenants for high rises in the CBD.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby DPatel304 » 25 Apr 2017 22:14

Waldozer wrote:Legacy beating out Dallas? Forget pipeline, you're talking pipe dreams. Perot Jr.'s gotten into your head, saying that companies no longer want supertalls in the CBD and instead want to relocate to suburban campuses. In reality, the past 20 years have seen an urban renaissance. People and companies want the live, work, play of high-density cities they saw in the 90s on Friends and Seinfeld. Even retired couples are more likely now to want to live close to the CBD. Meanwhile, a place like Frisco or Plano won't be able to develop the density required because that area has the same problem Fort Worth has - companies can just build out and out - business park after business park. Suburban community after suburban community.


Sure companies CAN build out and out, but, it's not as simple as you say. If it was, the Legacy wouldn't be getting as dense as it is right now. Even though DFW has not natural boundaries and we have the ability to sprawl far out, location still matters, and people are paying premium prices to be in the heart of Plano. In terms of providing a live-work-play environment, the CBD does have a huge headstart and a lot of advantages going for it, but there is no reason why that same environment can't be had somewhere else in the metroplex.

The Legacy area is still relatively new, yet it's already made some insane progress in such a short time. I'm not saying Legacy will surpass the CBD, but I don't think you can just dismiss Plano as being just another suburb that can easily be replicated.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 25 Apr 2017 22:31

I am amazed when I go up there, last time I lost count of the tower cranes at 17 and they have more starting all the time. Just looking at the JCPenny campus that was built in the 80's, all of that land is being repurposed and built up. No reason to think that will stop.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Waldozer » 25 Apr 2017 23:50

Where did I dismiss it as "just another suburb?" I'm saying that no matter how much development realistically occurs in Plano - even if it develops into a CBD more populous than Fort Worth (not worth betting on either) - it will not come close to replacing Dallas as the anchor of the region. It can play a mean second fiddle but the twin cities of Dallas and Fort Worth define the metroplex - culturally, architecturally, and socially. For instance, I'd love to see Plano's city council make the pitch to the denizens of Highland Park that it's better to make the commute out to Plano. They'd be laughed out of the country club.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 26 Apr 2017 00:01

Waldozer wrote:Where did I dismiss it as "just another suburb?" I'm saying that no matter how much development realistically occurs in Plano - even if it develops into a CBD more populous than Fort Worth (not worth betting on either) - it will not come close to replacing Dallas as the anchor of the region. It can play a mean second fiddle but the twin cities of Dallas and Fort Worth define the metroplex - culturally, architecturally, and socially. For instance, I'd love to see Plano's city council make the pitch to the denizens of Highland Park that it's better to make the commute out to Plano. They'd be laughed out of the country club.


I don't know that anybody said "replace", I believe it's more about the rapid rise of an area that was nonexistent not all that long ago and where that area is going. It is hard to argue with a small area that is capturing more corporate clients than anywhere else at the moment. From Toyota to Boeing that area is making tracks and continues to build up as well as out. It doesn't necessarily take anything away from downtown or FW as much as recognize what is happening.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Waldozer » 26 Apr 2017 01:34


I don't know that anybody said "replace", I believe it's more about the rapid rise of an area that was nonexistent not all that long ago and where that area is going. It is hard to argue with a small area that is capturing more corporate clients than anywhere else at the moment. From Toyota to Boeing that area is making tracks and continues to build up as well as out. It doesn't necessarily take anything away from downtown or FW as much as recognize what is happening.


You seem to think that what is happening is that because some bland mid-rises and generic shopping centers are going up in Plano, it's going to be a city on par with Dallas and Fort Worth. When do you think Plano will get their I.M Pei-designed 720-foot skyscraper? Their Pritzker Prize winner designed Winspear Opera House and resident opera company? Their Kimbell Art or Amon Carter Museum? When will they have their own Sundance Square or Deep Ellum, their own zoo, their TCU, SMU, and UT Southwestern? When will our highway and public transportation systems reconfigure to make it as central as Dallas? It's just preposterous.

Maybe you can begin by favorably comparing Plano or Frisco to Irving or Arlington. Frisco has Toyota Stadium and our major league soccer team. They've got the video game Museum and the soccer hall of fame Museum. That's not insignificant. I'm sure there's other stuff you can think of.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby DPatel304 » 26 Apr 2017 07:25

Waldozer wrote:Where did I dismiss it as "just another suburb?"


I guess you didn't, that's just how I interpreted this comment of yours:
"Plano won't be able to develop the density required because [..] companies can just build out and out - business park after business park. Suburban community after suburban community."

Maybe you didn't say it was just another suburb, but you made it seem as if Plano could be easily reproduced/replicated. Sorry if that's not what you meant.

Waldozer wrote:You seem to think that what is happening is that because some bland mid-rises and generic shopping centers are going up in Plano, it's going to be a city on par with Dallas and Fort Worth. When do you think Plano will get their I.M Pei-designed 720-foot skyscraper? Their Pritzker Prize winner designed Winspear Opera House and resident opera company? Their Kimbell Art or Amon Carter Museum? When will they have their own Sundance Square or Deep Ellum, their own zoo, their TCU, SMU, and UT Southwestern? When will our highway and public transportation systems reconfigure to make it as central as Dallas? It's just preposterous.


I think you might be giving Dallas and Fort Worth a little too much credit. Everything you are saying is correct, but, you have to keep in mind that, a decade or so ago, both city centers were not very desirable areas. You're right in saying that Plano is no Downtown Dallas, but, then again, Downtown Dallas is no New York/Chicago/Boston either. If a company is looking for supertalls and the Friends/Seinfeld lifestyle, Dallas is still a very hard sell considering how far behind it is compared to other major cities. Again, I'm not saying that Plano will surpass Dallas by any means, but Plano has already made a name for itself in such a short amount of time and will continue to do so in the near future.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby tamtagon » 26 Apr 2017 09:44

Waldozer wrote:When do you think Plano will get their I.M Pei-designed 720-foot skyscraper? Their Pritzker Prize winner designed Winspear Opera House and resident opera company? Their Kimbell Art or Amon Carter Museum? When will they have their own Sundance Square or Deep Ellum, their own zoo, their TCU, SMU, and UT Southwestern? When will our highway and public transportation systems reconfigure to make it as central as Dallas?


This sort of culture and community evolution is well beyond what the built world can supply, and can not happen soon enough, as far as I'm concerned.

As strongly as the office/workplace realms have been advancing, the starchitecture could happen right away; and I've wanted >500' vertical markers punctuating and defining this North Texas skyline for some time. Since The Cowboys moved to Frisco (pun), I've thought this part of town needs the firm visual beacon, marking the horizon with some real skyscrapers.

Craig Hall seems to be the most likely philanthropist to set up an actual museum in Plano/Frisco since art is a hallmark of his CoCo developments, particularly Texas sculpture... but a public, non-profit art museum is a monumental level of civic organization with a unique and specific cultural environment that has to evolve organically --- and then you gotta land a substantial collection of art. I'm not aware of community groups in CoCo organizing or even forming around the notion... municipal leadership hasn't really crossed the city limit sign to plan for community & society & culture as the focus has been entirely dedicated to building the town.

So, ya, CoCo high art may be a long way off -- sure would be something to get a third node like that in North Texas, though.

Also, I'm not convinced the pipeline of development will maintain such an impressive, world class performance. The $5 Billion Mile thingie, well, that's a likely to fizzle somewhat and reform in the future just like Las Colinas.

I am eager to see the public transportation platform CoCo planners present. The area simply must have better access to the airports and cultural districts.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 26 Apr 2017 10:48

Legacy West's 29-story tower will bring a taste of Uptown to Plano

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... town-plano

With an elliptical shape and a curved roofline, the building is anything but boxy.

"Our main goal was to have a building that didn't look like everybody else's," said Luke Harry, project manager with NE Development. "It's striking and will stand out.

"That location deserves something different."

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Re: Legacy West

Postby tamtagon » 26 Apr 2017 11:59

One thing the cities, well Plano and Frisco, could do to shape a nicer area is co-operatives encouraging high residential density within the confines of last generation's corporate fortress campus. Plant the workers right into the workplace, so to speak. Like the article says, a touch of Uptown. When the time comes, some of the "obsolete" office buildings can be replaced with the skyscrapers.... this might be an easier way to flesh-out the super-high volume peak commuting public transportation array of the future.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 27 Apr 2017 13:30

JPMorgan Chase's 1M SF campus in Plano's Legacy West reaches a new limit

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... -west.html

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Re: Legacy West

Postby The_Overdog » 27 Apr 2017 23:31

When do you think Plano will get their I.M Pei-designed 720-foot skyscraper? Their Pritzker Prize winner designed Winspear Opera House and resident opera company? Their Kimbell Art or Amon Carter Museum? When will they have their own Sundance Square or Deep Ellum, their own zoo, their TCU, SMU, and UT Southwestern? When will our highway and public transportation systems reconfigure to make it as central as Dallas?


I still can't believe there are people who like IM Pei's work, so that's not a plus. I've said my piece about the Arts district, even though some of the individual buildings are wonderful (though nowhere near as comfortable seating as the AAC or Cowboys Stadium), so no comment there. Plano actually just opened their first art museum, in a historical house in their other downtown. The house is super nice, the art so-so. Sundance Square is a nice mall, I think it's the best Legacy can ever hope to be. Deep Ellum has been fought by those Highland Park people for the past 80 years -I think that its success has been in-spite of Dallas, not because of it. University-level educational systems I totally agree are lacking and could hamstring the future growth, but they aren't much better for a region the size of DFW. I think you are seeing the highway & rail (god forbid) systems being reconfigured now, not to establish primacy but rather equality, which is a bad thing.

In short, I don't see the growth of Dallas from 1960-2002 as anything but a model of what not to do. I also don't see suburbs like Plano & Frisco as being interchangeable with other suburbs- they've really had amazing leadership who have in the past been interested in turning them into legit cities- but it's easy for a leadership change to stop all that halfway in its tracks. I also don't see them challenging Dallas for primacy - being the leader means being a lot of things to a lot of different constituents, and there is no desire for any of them to challenge for that role. Plano & Richardson have each hit their borders and now must choose to do something else if they want to grow at all.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 28 Apr 2017 12:58

Another hotel tower is in the works for Plano's $3 billion Legacy West

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... egacy-west

"The new hotel will be a 12-story, 170-room Marriott Autograph Collection Hotel," said Legacy West developer Fehmi Karahan.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 03 May 2017 15:15

Toyota to soon begin moving thousands of employees into its Legacy West campus in Plano

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... oyees.html

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tucy » 03 May 2017 15:18

Very exciting! Where are the Toyota people officing now, while they wait to move in?

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 03 May 2017 16:37

Tucy wrote:Very exciting! Where are the Toyota people officing now, while they wait to move in?


From what I understand Toyota has space leased in the area.....which will soon start to become available.

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Re: Legacy West

Postby Tnexster » 08 May 2017 11:34

Plano to pony up payment for new Boeing HQ in Legacy West

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... egacy-west


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