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New Census Population Estimates

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Tucy » 27 Mar 2018 11:15

tanzoak wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
tanzoak wrote:
September (as well as demographic info for counties/metros). Then tracts and block groups in December.


Cool. I wonder Dallas finally will get to 4K in pop. density.

Definitely would like to what downtown looks like.


Smaller than the city level, everything is a bit lagged. The info we get in December will be for 2013-2017, compared to what we have now, which is 2012-2016.


To be clear, population estimates for city level and above (i.e., county, metro, and state) are estimates as of a particular date (the recent metro estimates discussed above are as of July 1, 2017). Estimates at the smaller levels (e.g., census tracts and block groups) are rolling estimates based on 5 years of surveys.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby eddieg1 » 01 Apr 2018 18:53

Top 10 Fastest Growing Counties in 2017
America is on the Move

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... eyre-going

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby jrd1964 » 24 May 2018 04:11

D looks at a Pew research study about economic and other gaps in urban and rural areas. The article headline says that "older" and "more diverse" now characterize Dallas County.
(charts for surrounding counties also included)

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... e-diverse/

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby LuvBigD » 24 May 2018 11:29

I found the following link of 2018 U.S. city population figures. I can't tell if this states if this data is according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Tucy » 24 May 2018 11:36

LuvBigD wrote:I found the following link of 2018 U.S. city population figures. I can't tell if this states if this data is according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/


It is not U.S. Census. There will not be 2018 city population figures available from the U.S. Census until this time next year. They just released the 2017 numbers today.

Fort Worth is now the 15th largest city in the U.S. Interestingly, Dallas and Fort Worth each added approximately 19,000 between 2016 and 2017.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby The_Overdog » 24 May 2018 11:52

The article headline says that "older" and "more diverse" now characterize Dallas County.

The 'more diverse' part is accurate but the older is very relative, as all the DFW counties listed have smaller by percent populations aged 65 or older than average. In other words, in general DFW is younger than average. Dallas County is more diverse than average for urban, Tarrant average, and Collin less diverse than average. Denton county is more diverse than average for suburban, but less diverse than urban counties.

Also Collin County is classified 'urban' and Denton County is 'suburban' when their starting/ending population numbers are similar because apparently those designations are based on their year 2000 populations (I think?).

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby muncien » 24 May 2018 11:54

Both cities are doing well with population gains. Fort Worth has struggled a bit with office space, but residential gains are a better bet as employers will look for available workers in the long run. As office pricing disparity grows between the two cities, Fort Worth will be well positioned to pick up some wins.
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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby DPatel304 » 24 May 2018 12:13

Frisco was the nation's fastest-growing city, but another D-FW city's growth was more surprising
“Fort Worth, when you look recently, has been growing steadily and now it seems like it’s popped up a little bit,” said state demographer Lloyd Potter. “I wouldn’t say it was in the doldrums, but it wasn’t growing at the same pace as some of the other areas in Texas.”

Cowtown added 18,664 residents over the year, the fourth most of any city in the country -- following close behind Dallas, which added 18,935.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dem ... ion-census

The Dallas News giving Fort Worth an honorable mention. Obviously Frisco is the big winner here (in terms of percentage gain), but Fort Worth is doing pretty damn good as well.

As someone who doesn't get out to Fort Worth too much, I'm actually surprised at how high on the list Fort Worth is. I'm sure the size of the city is fairly common knowledge, I just had no idea.

I still feel like Dallas may steal their thunder for the time being, as there is plenty of empty land in the greater Downtown Dallas area. As land becomes more expensive and limited, I could see Fort Worth really shining as and benefiting from that.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby The_Overdog » 24 May 2018 15:26

As someone who doesn't get out to Fort Worth too much, I'm actually surprised at how high on the list Fort Worth is.


Ft Worth is the Texas equivalent of Phoenix, as most of its suburbs aren't that great and it is endlessly sprawling outwards. Ft Worth's density is along the lines of Abilene or San Angelo, approximately 50% less than Dallas, which is already relatively low. It really needs infill more than most places in TX. Fortunately to it's credit, it's done studies and hopefully will listen to those studies to improve its design.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby jrd1964 » 24 May 2018 16:42

Here's the Star-T version. Fort Worth is now bigger than Indianapolis, and is now behind Columbus, OH, but not by much.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local ... 40579.html

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Mr. Amsterdam » 25 May 2018 15:41

LuvBigD wrote:I found the following link of 2018 U.S. city population figures. I can't tell if this states if this data is according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/


Arlington more dense than Dallas? That is very surprising.

And good god @ Jacksonville. I thought Dallas's density was lacking.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 May 2018 20:17

I love ft. worth. Magnolia Ave. and Downtown Ft worth have come a long way. West seventh is growing... All great things for cowtown.

Thier plans with Trinity river will be their catalyst for more growth. This is a better, attainable, plan than is Dallas' failed attempt(s) to Integrate the Trinity

https://www.bondbuyer.com/news/a-250-mi ... fort-worth

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 May 2018 20:26

Mr. Amsterdam wrote:
LuvBigD wrote:I found the following link of 2018 U.S. city population figures. I can't tell if this states if this data is according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/


Arlington more dense than Dallas? That is very surprising.



And good god @ Jacksonville. I thought Dallas's density was lacking.



Yeah didn't u know the burbs are more dense. Garland is DFWs urban core.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby I45Tex » 28 May 2018 10:13

I'm surprised that folks have let that claim stand. The burbs are not more dense. Garland may be 57 square miles at an average density of 4100-4200 residents per square mile, but ten minutes with a ZCTA map can show you an equally extensive square mileage of central and north-central Dallas with residential density over 6000 per square mile. That is DFW's urban core.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby tamtagon » 28 May 2018 11:53

I45Tex wrote:I'm surprised that folks have let that claim stand.


Scratches beneath the surface show how that claim is for the city versus city pep rally, data are boring.... haha

This topic reminds me that Dallas is not a landlock municipality, and how much I would like to see the city limits push toward Waxahachie, Ennis, Kaufman and Terrell. Equally inspired by 1) Trinity River wilderness management and 2) regional politics management... and just a tiny bit to raise the ceiling of Dallas city population so the city can move up the list! Top 25 what-if why-not is a municipal merge of Dallas and Irving.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby fractal » 29 May 2018 19:36

Saw this over at ssp:

2017 density:
Minneapolis: 7,693
Tampa: 3,398
LA: 8,533
Dallas: 3,939
Columbus: 4,048
Houston: 3,857

2010 density:
Minneapolis: 6,969
Tampa: 2,961
LA: 8,091
Dallas: 3,518
Columbus: 3,633
Houston: 3,493

City density growth, with Wikipedia land square miles:
Minneapolis: 724 in 54.9 square miles
Tampa: 458 in 113.42 square miles
LA: 424 in 468.74 square miles
Dallas: 421 in 340.5 square miles
Columbus: 415 in 217.17 square miles
Houston: 364 in 599.59 square miles

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby The_Overdog » 30 May 2018 10:40

The burbs are not more dense. Garland may be 57 square miles at an average density of 4100-4200 residents per square mile, but ten minutes with a ZCTA map can show you an equally extensive square mileage of central and north-central Dallas with residential density over 6000 per square mile. That is DFW's urban core.


Who cares? That's a tiny part of Dallas, and that much of it is less dense means that Dallas has made conscious decisions to be less dense than a suburb across 2/3s of it's landmass. The boundaries of Dallas are also not handed down by god any more than Garland or Arlington are - they represent choices made. Bad ones. Dallas could have chosen to be a small compact city like SF or Boston. It didn't.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby DPatel304 » 30 May 2018 10:44

The_Overdog wrote:Who cares? That's a tiny part of Dallas, and that much of it is less dense means that Dallas has made conscious decisions to be less dense than a suburb across 2/3s of it's landmass. The boundaries of Dallas are also not handed down by god any more than Garland or Arlington are - they represent choices made. Bad ones. Dallas could have chosen to be a small compact city like SF or Boston. It didn't.


Genuinely curious here, but, aside from having a higher density, what other benefits would be to Dallas remaining a more 'compact' city?

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby The_Overdog » 30 May 2018 12:01

Genuinely curious here, but, aside from having a higher density, what other benefits would be to Dallas remaining a more 'compact' city?


More equal transportation access, tax per acre, basically everything, hence why most cities in the world are smaller in area than Dallas, or why Jacksonville is one of the largest in area cities in the US.

BTW, as not to be too negative, Dallas used to be 3200 people per acre. In the time that Garland, Plano, and Arlington (the 3 densest cities by average pop density in DFW) have gone from about about 3600-4000 per sq mile, Dallas has gone from 3200 - 3900, so it won't be much longer before Dallas is the most dense city in DFW.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 30 May 2018 20:40

Dallas can be dense all about zoning. Look at LA.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 30 May 2018 20:59

You can zone all you want, but unless people want density all you'll get is vacant lots. The truth is that density is like mass transit: 98% of the population wants it...for someone else. I know that's not a popular position here, but it's the reality.

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Re: New Census Population Estimates

Postby Tnexster » 30 May 2018 21:15

Hannibal Lecter wrote:You can zone all you want, but unless people want density all you'll get is vacant lots. The truth is that density is like mass transit: 98% of the population wants it...for someone else. I know that's not a popular position here, but it's the reality.


Truth, were I live density is a four letter word.



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