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Re: Fair Park

Postby DPatel304 » 06 Feb 2020 12:48

Wow, Spectra seems to be doing a pretty good job so far. I'm also surprised to see BTS performing there, as they could have likely gone to AT&T and sold out that arena.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby tamtagon » 06 Feb 2020 13:06

I've always preferred open air stadium concerts.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Feb 2020 14:15

I just hope that Spectra is able to provide a fan experience that makes it a worthy competitor. I know the Cotton Bowl isn't AT&T stadium but if fans feel like they are having fun it doesn't matter if Jerry Jones's private Art collection is on the wall.
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Re: Fair Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 19 Feb 2020 10:52

They need to take the Winter Classic model of providing a genuine fairground experience and apply it to all their events that attract 75,000+ people, especially Pride. Maybe next year Spectra can attract a big enough concert to perform the Saturday before the parade and keep the Midway open all day Saturday and Sunday. Fair Park becomes "Pride Park" for one weekend. That's the only way I can see a path to attracting half a million visitors to this event.


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Re: Fair Park

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Re: Fair Park

Postby exelone31 » 23 Jun 2020 09:44

There's the Fair Park thread! I was trying to find it yesterday as I saw this news, but couldn't track it down.

Anywho, these seem like some really great incremental changes to Fair Park. I especially like the Music Green park between the Music Hall and the African American Museum.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 26 Jun 2020 12:03

I really do hope it makes sense to build in all those buildings they want to recreate keeping in mind those projects are lumped in Phase 4 aka 10 yrs. I think for me I would like to see the tree planting projects and the Cotton Bowl plaza improvements. The community park is, of course, a no brainer on being first not to mention a requirement of the deal.

For the hotel, I hope they are able to get a decent flag when that project possibly comes. The last thing we need is a budget flag hotel onsite for the next 50 yrs. I doubt we will get an Omni hotel but a decent hotel with meeting space seems like it will be a good match once they can have booking partnerships for the esplanade buildings for larger events. Fair Park is the original Convention Center + Arts District rolled into one. Add some Klyde Warren park back into the thing and you do have a very attractive space for lots of kinds of events.
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Re: Fair Park

Postby quixomniac » 07 Jul 2020 16:55

Congratulations guys. we did it! :?

The State Fair of Texas is officially canceled

The State Fair of Texas, which has been canceled only eight times during its 134 years, and even then primarily because of two world wars, will not take place during 2020, fair officials announced Tuesday.


https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-enterta ... -canceled/

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Re: Fair Park

Postby exelone31 » 08 Jul 2020 08:42

The longer this goes on, I wonder what the long-term impact will be on something like the State Fair. I am sure it will likely bounce back to something similar to years past, but I wonder if masks become a regular fixture at the fair for years to come.

Plus, you KNOW there are going to be vendors offering air-brushed masks at the fair the next time it gets up and running.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby Tnexster » 08 Jul 2020 16:47

'As a family, we are in a little bit of grieving': Vendors react to cancellation of the State Fair

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... chers.html

Amber Fletcher with Fletcher Corny Dogs said her family is in “a little bit of grieving."

“We sell about 500,000 to 600,000 corny dogs in 24 days. And each corny dog is about six dollars. So you can say the gross sales is typically close to 3.8 to 4 million dollars,” Fletcher said. “We would have to do an event every single day for a year and a half to make what we made at the State Fair.”

Brent Reaves from Smoky Johns BBQ said it will be a major hit for them too.

“The fair for us is over 30 percent of our revenue for the year. So, it’s a big blow for us,” Reaves said. “However, you do have to take into consideration just the safety and health and well-being of the fair goers.”

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Re: Fair Park

Postby TNWE » 10 Jul 2020 11:38

quixomniac wrote:Congratulations guys. we did it! :?

The State Fair of Texas is officially canceled

The State Fair of Texas, which has been canceled only eight times during its 134 years, and even then primarily because of two world wars, will not take place during 2020, fair officials announced Tuesday.


https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-enterta ... -canceled/


I'm just waiting on the inevitable DMag editorial that simultaneously claims that this is the death knell for the SFOT (as there is no way to possibly let that many people gather in close proximity without thousands of COVID deaths) and that Fair Park must be torn down and replaced with high-density, car-free housing (built by their developer friends and with a sweetheart deal on the land, natch) that packs tens of thousands of people into close proximity in a cookie-cutter urbanist "utopia."

Remember, NYC's COVID situation was several orders of magnitude worse in every way (cases/hospitalizations/deaths) per capita under lockdown than Texas' has been with bars/restaurants reopened. These people love to insist that Texas should have never re-opened anything (because of blind partisan loyalties), but don't realize that under an extended pandemic lockdown, people overwhelmingly would rather live in a house in the suburbs with a car than an urban apartment/condo and be reliant on public transit. If anything, the DMag crowd should be the ones clamoring for re-opening everything, because the longer this goes on, the more people will flee the urban core (especially now that their employers are realizing that they don't need to have everyone in the office).

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Re: Fair Park

Postby DPatel304 » 10 Jul 2020 11:53

TNWE wrote:Remember, NYC's COVID situation was several orders of magnitude worse in every way (cases/hospitalizations/deaths) per capita under lockdown than Texas' has been with bars/restaurants reopened. These people love to insist that Texas should have never re-opened anything (because of blind partisan loyalties), but don't realize that under an extended pandemic lockdown, people overwhelmingly would rather live in a house in the suburbs with a car than an urban apartment/condo and be reliant on public transit. If anything, the DMag crowd should be the ones clamoring for re-opening everything, because the longer this goes on, the more people will flee the urban core (especially now that their employers are realizing that they don't need to have everyone in the office).


The media seems to certainly be picking on Texas and Florida these days. I have family in England and apparently Texas is even making the news over there, which is absurd to me.

Yes things are getting worse here, but we have been open for a few months now and our deaths per capita is still relatively low. People should be cautious and taking the necessary precautions, but the media is certainly exaggerating the situation over here, IMO.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby TNWE » 10 Jul 2020 12:44

DPatel304 wrote:
The media seems to certainly be picking on Texas and Florida these days. I have family in England and apparently Texas is even making the news over there, which is absurd to me.

Yes things are getting worse here, but we have been open for a few months now and our deaths per capita is still relatively low. People should be cautious and taking the necessary precautions, but the media is certainly exaggerating the situation over here, IMO.


Right - Texas certainly seeing an uptick in cases, but things are also much closer to "normal" as far as places being open. It has become clear that the "just stay home" guidance from early on just isn't sustainable for months and months - a certain county judge blew up all his credibility insisting that the people going to parks and jogging outside back in March were selfish and that Dallas was 2 weeks from dead bodies piling up in the street. There's simply no going back to the "essential businesses only" approach after all that, plus his tacit support of mass gatherings for protests that he supports.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby rantanamo » 11 Jul 2020 06:40

Ever think the numbers were low because things were shut down? No one wants everything shut down including the judge, but we were reckless in reopening in every way and the lack of consistency from the top down has us where we are. That's not partisan. There's no reason a slow opening with full government support couldn't have happen. The fact is we chose otherwise. We deserve all the exaggeration we get because none of us knows were this ends. Tired of hearing these, not so bad, wasn't so bad. I've lost two now and know several severely sick, but we don't even have the courtesy of wear a damn mask properly at work to help each other because "Its too hot". But keep ranting. Keep complaining about the media. Ignore that before there was one protest the curve was already making its turn up. Yeah, that's just do that. I'm starting to grow angry and tired of the childish nature of our handling of this. WE did this. WE will not get out of this until we handle it. From reading the comments I can see we aint handling shit.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby tamtagon » 11 Jul 2020 07:58

^word

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Re: Fair Park

Postby Thymant » 12 Jul 2020 10:03

I think "WE" can argue about the pandemic response in the COVID-19 thread. But in regards to Fair Park, there will be a lot of financial incentive to continue hosting the fair and will definitely return once things calm down.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby tamtagon » 12 Jul 2020 10:59

Hopefully, the city can fast-track some of the park improvements since the pandemic is gifting the park with time to work. Get in there and double as much of the work as possible. I would love to see a dramatic expansion of working greenhouses with Fair Park approved art deco architecture - vocational programs grow all the seasonal/ornamental plants used by the Park in buildings that expand the array of Art Deco structures, and provide 'relative' climate control activities in the heat of the summer and cool of winter.

This is also a good time to put a philanthropic bug in the ear of Dallas' billionaires to establish an endowment for the park, making sure the ups and downs of municipal financing do not allow the park to fall into disrepair ever again.

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Re: Fair Park

Postby electricron » 14 Jul 2020 07:24

tamtagon wrote:Hopefully, the city can fast-track some of the park improvements since the pandemic is gifting the park with time to work. Get in there and double as much of the work as possible. I would love to see a dramatic expansion of working greenhouses with Fair Park approved art deco architecture - vocational programs grow all the seasonal/ornamental plants used by the Park in buildings that expand the array of Art Deco structures, and provide 'relative' climate control activities in the heat of the summer and cool of winter.

This is also a good time to put a philanthropic bug in the ear of Dallas' billionaires to establish an endowment for the park, making sure the ups and downs of municipal financing do not allow the park to fall into disrepair ever again.


Many Dallas based businesses already grant Fair Park with cash or work product. Whereas I agree with you I would love to see the city take advantage of the one year lull with construction projects, I also realize that it takes more than days, weeks, and months to plan and finance them. It is also used more than once a year, there are activities daily in Fair Park. If your project is not shovel ready, I doubt it can be done in the present lull.


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