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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Yak_Forger » 24 Sep 2018 11:39

It sure is lively there ; it's definitely a good sign that the economy's doing great for them, because you don't open restaurants (which means : buy real estate and invest serious money) and see lots of people in the downtown retail streets in faltering cities... (hell, that's pretty much how economists determined that Athens' heart pulse was back : https://tranio.com/articles/street-retail-in-athens-city-centre-and-prime-suburban-areas-in-the-spotlight/) Source : my native city is like that, the central street has lost 2 shops out of 3 over the last 10 years, and now looks like the setting of a Wild West cowboy movie :lol: and to tell that the mayor of the city was the minister of labor of France! Sure gives him credency...
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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby lakewoodhobo » 24 Sep 2018 14:06

Twisted Trompo in the Metropolitan now open.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby lakewoodhobo » 25 Oct 2018 15:22

Something called Real Nice is taking the vacant Mad Hatter's Cafe space inside the Hartford Building.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Jay9398 » 26 Oct 2018 10:32

I heard yesterday from someone in the know that the sale has been finalized. Headington now owns the building containing the former Sol Irlandes space, Campisi's, Woolworth, and the State Farm Insurance space.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby lakewoodhobo » 26 Oct 2018 11:05

Jay9398 wrote:I heard yesterday from someone in the know that the sale has been finalized. Headington now owns the building containing the former Sol Irlandes space, Campisi's, Woolworth, and the State Farm Insurance space.


Now that Headington is fully invested in Stone Place, I hope they can continue improving the plaza for the sake of the 3 restaurants with patio seating here. Kudos to Headington for expanding the width, but with the light fixtures, landscaping and shade structures still in place where they are, the whole thing just looks halfway done.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby tamtagon » 26 Oct 2018 11:45

Hopefully, after this is wrapped up, Field@Ross@Griffin will be the next project.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby eburress » 26 Oct 2018 12:32

I will be happy as long as Headington doesn't demolish those old structures.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 26 Oct 2018 13:03

eburress wrote:I will be happy as long as Headington doesn't demolish those old structures.


Hell prolly destroy them and create a high end drive-thru liquor store.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 26 Oct 2018 13:13

I just wish he would open up that greenspace as promised in previous statements to the city council.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby DPatel304 » 08 Nov 2018 22:36

A New Irish Pub Debuts in the Dallas Arts District Next Week
In what may finally be a successful venture in a troubled spot, a new Irish pub is about to open at One Arts Plaza.

Called The Playwright Irish Pub, it's going into the space most previously occupied by Proof + Pantry. It's from Alan Kearney, a native of Ireland who also runs The Crafty Irishman in downtown Dallas.

The new pub will offer hundreds of whiskeys and scotches, plus 50 beers on tap, including a healthy Irish selection.

The Playwright is at 1722 Routh St., Suite 102, and will open at a highly civilized 10 am every day, and close at 2 am.

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... rts-plaza/

This is definitely an interesting venue to open in the Arts District. I'm loving the daily late hours of this place, and it definitely sounds way more approachable the most of the higher end places in the area. Wonder how well this will do.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby itsjrd1964 » 13 Dec 2018 22:27

Meet the Trio Behind Downtown Dallas’ Royal Blue Grocery

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/ ... e-grocery/

Mentioned in the article:
* 11,000 - live in the urban core
* 8200+ - existing DTD residential units
* 3100 - DTD residential units to come
* 135,000 - daytime CBD population

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby itsjrd1964 » 28 Dec 2018 23:38

Just checked out the progress on the Flying Biscuit Cafe space (Elm/Ervay, 1700 Pacific building). Outdoor signage is up, workers are still at it on the interior. Workers told me they are a week or 2 from being ready, while building security says it will be within a month's time. The security guy said they should open with breakfast/brunch/lunch, and if all goes well enough, expand to a dinner menu. He also said he's heard that they may be looking at weekend hours. I asked him if they said how early they'd open, he's heard 6am, but he wasn't sure.
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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby vman » 08 Jan 2019 15:55

"Bigger Better Hair" has occupied some of the forever vacant retail space in the 1001 Ross apartment building.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby lakewoodhobo » 16 Jan 2019 16:59

I've heard from two different people now that, once 24-Hour Fitness opens on Ft Worth Ave, the location downtown will be permanently closed. Essentially this is a move, which might explain why it took so long for anyone to confirm the construction of 24-Hour in Oak Cliff.

No clue if this means another gym is interested in the space or what, but a lot of people work out there and I'd be surprised if it didn't go back to a Gold's, or maybe LA Fitness would want it.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby mdg109 » 23 Jan 2019 12:49

Ugh, The Commissary downtown just announced new hours: 7am-6pm.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby muncien » 23 Jan 2019 14:11

Any word on City Tavern?

...OR, for that matter, whatever is replacing the old City Tavern?

Previous communications sounded like both should be up an running quickly. But it seems like it's been ages since I heard anything.
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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby lakewoodhobo » 23 Jan 2019 14:47

muncien wrote:Any word on City Tavern?

...OR, for that matter, whatever is replacing the old City Tavern?

Previous communications sounded like both should be up an running quickly. But it seems like it's been ages since I heard anything.


City Tavern looks ready to open. Here are some photos I found on Facebook.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby DPatel304 » 23 Jan 2019 15:20

I never went to the old City Tavern but this one looks a bit small/crowded? I'm guessing this new location won't have a patio any more, correct?

Either way, I'm excited for this to open.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby vman » 23 Jan 2019 15:24

DPatel304 wrote:I never went to the old City Tavern but this one looks a bit small/crowded? I'm guessing this new location won't have a patio any more, correct?

Either way, I'm excited for this to open.

The old one was crowded too, but not nearly this nice. This looks awesome. Can't wait to check it out.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby muncien » 24 Jan 2019 11:47

No doubt! Glad they kept the general look and feel while improving aesthetic quality. I have been waiting and waiting for this place to open. If anyone catches wind of an opening date, please pass it along. Much thx!!!
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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby DPatel304 » 26 Jan 2019 13:15

mdg109 wrote:Ugh, The Commissary downtown just announced new hours: 7am-6pm.


Oh man, that's very disappointing. I guess if the demand isn't there, I can't really blame them, I was just hoping we were finally at a point where we could support more late night venues in downtown.

I've actually never been to the place in the evening, so I suppose I'm part of the problem. Hopefully it won't be long before they reverse this decision and stay open later again.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Jbarn » 26 Jan 2019 16:49

DPatel304 wrote:
mdg109 wrote:Ugh, The Commissary downtown just announced new hours: 7am-6pm.


Oh man, that's very disappointing. I guess if the demand isn't there, I can't really blame them, I was just hoping we were finally at a point where we could support more late night venues in downtown.

I've actually never been to the place in the evening, so I suppose I'm part of the problem. Hopefully it won't be long before they reverse this decision and stay open later again.



Imagine a city of 10,000 inhabitants that has no grocery store, few necessary services, very little retail, and restaurants that serve only lunch - that would he downtown Dallas. Downtown always seems to be on the verge, but can never get over that hump. Perhaps it just wasn’t meant to be.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 26 Jan 2019 17:38

Jbarn wrote:
DPatel304 wrote:
mdg109 wrote:Ugh, The Commissary downtown just announced new hours: 7am-6pm.


Oh man, that's very disappointing. I guess if the demand isn't there, I can't really blame them, I was just hoping we were finally at a point where we could support more late night venues in downtown.

I've actually never been to the place in the evening, so I suppose I'm part of the problem. Hopefully it won't be long before they reverse this decision and stay open later again.



Imagine a city of 10,000 inhabitants that has no grocery store, few necessary services, very little retail, and restaurants that serve only lunch - that would he downtown Dallas. Downtown always seems to be on the verge, but can never get over that hump. Perhaps it just wasn’t meant to be.


I wouldn't go that far. Theres restaurant that are open all the time.. zenna, campisi's, the woolworth, Frankie's, twisted trompo etc... The problem with the commissary is there's nothing there that is late night dinner food. It's a bunch of cold deli sandwiches and soups.

You unconsciously don't even go there cause it doesn't sound appetizing at night. That's the reality.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Jbarn » 26 Jan 2019 21:45

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Jbarn wrote:
DPatel304 wrote:
Oh man, that's very disappointing. I guess if the demand isn't there, I can't really blame them, I was just hoping we were finally at a point where we could support more late night venues in downtown.

I've actually never been to the place in the evening, so I suppose I'm part of the problem. Hopefully it won't be long before they reverse this decision and stay open later again.


Imagine a city of 10,000 inhabitants that has no grocery store, few necessary services, very little retail, and restaurants that serve only lunch - that would he downtown Dallas. Downtown always seems to be on the verge, but can never get over that hump. Perhaps it just wasn’t meant to be.


I wouldn't go that far. Theres restaurant that are open all the time.. zenna, campisi's, the woolworth, Frankie's, twisted trompo etc... The problem with the commissary is there's nothing there that is late night dinner food. It's a bunch of cold deli sandwiches and soups.

You unconsciously don't even go there cause it doesn't sound appetizing at night. That's the reality.


It just seems that for the amount of people living, staying and visiting downtown, there is a great lack of amenities.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby willyk » 26 Jan 2019 22:57

It just seems that for the amount of people living, staying and visiting downtown, there is a great lack of amenities.


EMC seems close to having critical mass with all of the hotels and residential there. We just need a little more residential to support amenities. Near term possibilities— finish the Drever on Elm, Headington builds a condo tower on Main, we get some 5-6 story stuff in the East Quarter on Commerce. An attractive retailer could come along and energize the area too— TJs, CB2, Urban Target and Uniqlo could all do well in EMC. The AT&T redo and the jobs they are adding will bring energy too.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby mdg109 » 28 Jan 2019 13:30

I was just downtown last night from about 6-8pm. I was surprised to see the amount of people on a Sunday night walking around and on scooters/bikes. Luckily Royal Blue stays open until midnight everyday. There were a few of us working on stuff at the cafe section. Walking around, I noticed the Irish pub was packed inside and out, as were the restaurants at the base of The Wilson. Statler was busy too. Trompo and the Wings place at the Metropolitan were also busy. I left feeling pretty optimistic. Hopefully with the AT&T Discovery district completed we can get more retail.
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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby tamtagon » 28 Jan 2019 13:43

At some point, the quiet areas of the CBD will become a welcome block or two of inactivity for residents. As long as the busy "24 Hour" hives of activity are generally contained, the whole city benefits by a varied array of activity.... eventually.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby ContriveDallasite » 29 Jan 2019 13:55

tamtagon wrote:At some point, the quiet areas of the CBD will become a welcome block or two of inactivity for residents. As long as the busy "24 Hour" hives of activity are generally contained, the whole city benefits by a varied array of activity.... eventually.


We are still a decade or two away from that. Parts of CBD are still dead on week days during non lunchtime hours. :lol:

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby tamtagon » 29 Jan 2019 15:40

Perception is the biggest hurdle for downtown area residents, now. Geographic definitions are less important than proximity and neighborhood walkability. The Farmers Market is far more connected to Deep Ellum than to The West End -- it's about the same distance from FM to Baylor Hospital as it is to the Aquarium, but in the minds of many/most people, Farmers Market and West End residents are the same.

The parts of the CBD which are quiet and dead most of the time need some protection.... this is where CBD residents will go to get away from the noise and predictability of their block(s); it's a buffer for residents, and these areas benefit from the perception of being dead zones by the disinterested, unaffected suburban office workers with little interest in downtown area amenities.

It is a ways away, but could turn on a dime.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby Jay9398 » 30 Jan 2019 13:24

muncien wrote:No doubt! Glad they kept the general look and feel while improving aesthetic quality. I have been waiting and waiting for this place to open. If anyone catches wind of an opening date, please pass it along. Much thx!!!


The new City Tavern location is opening this afternoon at 4 PM.

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Re: Downtown Dallas Retail

Postby DPatel304 » 30 Jan 2019 19:54

Sweet, thanks for the heads up. I'll try and check it out as soon as I can, but that likely won't be for another week or so.


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