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Postby Tnexster » 06 Feb 2020 08:26

Developer Trammell Crow plans new Uptown Dallas tower project
McKinney Avenue high-rise would be next door to the Crescent.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... r-project/

Developer Trammell Crow Co. is eyeing another major project in Dallas’ booming Uptown district.

After the success of its $350 million Park District mixed-use project on Klyde Warren Park at Pearl Street, Crow Co. has been scouting the area just north of downtown for another building locations.

The developer has zeroed in on a prime Uptown block at McKinney and Maple avenues next door to the Crescent, real estate brokers who are tracking the deal say.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Feb 2020 09:23

I've always hated that Trulucks. Hopefully it dies.. The shopping center across the street also should be redeveloped; it's time for something mixed use there. Tons of potential on this end of McKinney Ave.

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Postby j_d_p » 06 Feb 2020 09:36

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I've always hated that Trulucks. Hopefully it dies.. The shopping center across the street also should be redeveloped; it's time for something mixed use there. Tons of potential on this end of McKinney Ave.


Have hated it since they moved it back and put the parking lot on McKinney. Agreed hope it dies a painful death.

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Feb 2020 10:01

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I've always hated that Trulucks. Hopefully it dies.. The shopping center across the street also should be redeveloped; it's time for something mixed use there. Tons of potential on this end of McKinney Ave.


Maybe they will get a deal on the ground floor of the new tower. Although that could potentially take too long for them. I assume they will move somewhere else?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Feb 2020 10:33

I would hope they would go ahead and buy out the former pool bar behind Truluck's. It's now a crab and oyster bar that will undoubtedly fail before summer starts. Trammel should have leased one of their retail spaces at Park District to Truluck's.

I would have predicted Gold's Gym would have gone first though.
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Feb 2020 10:33

Tnexster wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I've always hated that Trulucks. Hopefully it dies.. The shopping center across the street also should be redeveloped; it's time for something mixed use there. Tons of potential on this end of McKinney Ave.


Maybe they will get a deal on the ground floor of the new tower. Although that could potentially take too long for them. I assume they will move somewhere else?


They're a chain. Closing 1 location isn't going to hurt them. Especially, if they sell the property.. assuming they own it.

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Postby R1070 » 06 Feb 2020 11:01

Thank God and good riddance. The fact that that suburban design went up in that location never made sense.

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Feb 2020 11:22

Not upset to see a better use come to this corner but Trulock's does have great chocolate cake.

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Postby DPatel304 » 06 Feb 2020 11:33

Good riddance! This is awesome news!!

It's great that there is enough demand in this area to actually justify razing something that was only just recently built.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Feb 2020 11:57

DPatel304 wrote:Good riddance! This is awesome news!!

It's great that there is enough demand in this area to actually justify razing something that was only just recently built.


I just don't think it's economical at this point to have a single use building for a restaurant there anymore on that specific lot. Everything is going vertical in that vicinity.

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Postby eburress » 06 Feb 2020 12:09

This is fantastic news and hopefully the stupid suburban shopping center across McKinney is the next to go!

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Postby dukemeredith » 06 Feb 2020 13:13

Two places Trulucks could move nearby that are built out for restaurants are the Circo space and the Perry's space once they move to Park District.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Feb 2020 13:22

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
DPatel304 wrote:Good riddance! This is awesome news!!

It's great that there is enough demand in this area to actually justify razing something that was only just recently built.


I just don't think it's economical at this point to have a single-use building for a restaurant there anymore on that specific lot. Everything is going vertical in that vicinity.


That tells you how high demand has gotten that it makes sense to buy out a relatively brand new steak house for a tower. I doubt Truluck's is having any issues paying for the property upkeep, maintenance plus taxes. It also points out that other properties either require more assemblage of various land parcels or are asking for too high a price. We already know the people who own where Nickle and Rye have that property on the market for a high rise and the land where the Den, Jakes BUrgers has a residential, office and retail high rise planned and announced.
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Postby mhainli » 06 Feb 2020 15:29

If TC buys this property, hopefully they’ll do something special. TC’s reputation is pretty conservative. The Park District is nice but with that location was expecting more..

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Feb 2020 16:04

mhainli wrote:If TC buys this property, hopefully they’ll do something special. TC’s reputation is pretty conservative. The Park District is nice but with that location was expecting more..


Agreed, be nice if they go taller too, maybe up towards 30-35 floors if they can get that kind of approval.

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Postby Cbdallas » 06 Feb 2020 16:11

dukemeredith wrote:Two places Trulucks could move nearby that are built out for restaurants are the Circo space and the Perry's space once they move to Park District.

The Circo space might be a good fit for them but would require a total redo inside.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Feb 2020 18:51

mhainli wrote:If TC buys this property, hopefully they’ll do something special. TC’s reputation is pretty conservative. The Park District is nice but with that location was expecting more..


TC does uninspired projects in Dallas nowadays. I wouldn't be expecting much architecturally.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Feb 2020 11:06

Their culture is very conservative. Even my mom used to tell me I would have to wear a full suit every day if I ever worked for this part of the Trammel Crow empire. They believe in building a "quality" product but without the unnecessary showboating. With the Park District project, top executives at Trammel Crow were required to interview every potential employee the property management company wanted to hire. They can def be the type of company to pseudo-micro-manages a project.
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Postby uptown74 » 07 Feb 2020 17:35

They updated the article today with a response from Trulucks. They say they have a 20 year lease and dont plan on going anywhere.

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Postby R1070 » 07 Feb 2020 18:36

Ugh...that sucks, but we’ve heard that before.

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Postby mhainli » 07 Feb 2020 18:53

Trulucks could be just posturing. Obviously there is some price that would entice them to relocate. Probably provisions in their lease agreement that allow it. Otherwise why would TC waste their time?

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Postby Hwulivn » 08 Feb 2020 01:32

Well I’m all for redevelopment with a quality, well designed building AND site. However, variation in building height and massing should remain in Uptown. I don’t think Uptown will remain as active and viable if every block is filled with high-rise buildings.

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Postby Mr. Mojito » 08 Feb 2020 10:47

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Their culture is very conservative. Even my mom used to tell me I would have to wear a full suit every day if I ever worked for this part of the Trammel Crow empire. They believe in building a "quality" product but without the unnecessary showboating. With the Park District project, top executives at Trammel Crow were required to interview every potential employee the property management company wanted to hire. They can def be the type of company to pseudo-micro-manages a project.


I wonder how the decision was made to design the Infomart.

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Postby mhainli » 08 Feb 2020 22:21

Hard to know. Built in the early 80s, the Infomart is an exception to TC’s usual conservative design. Perhaps it needed a wow factor to attract the type of tenants (not the usual office, etc) it was designed for at the time. Back then economics weren’t the ultimate driving factor they are today.

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Postby tamtagon » 15 May 2020 06:37

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -building/

New McKinney Avenue high-rise will be Uptown’s biggest office building
By Steve Brown
May 15, 2020

...Trammell Crow Co. plans to build the 2401 McKinney tower on the block between Maple Avenue and Fairmount Street.... 2-acre site next to the Crescent is occupied by Truluck’s restaurant and Gold’s Gym....Truluck’s will be the anchor retail tenant for the project.

Plans for the building call for 670,000 square feet of offices, 15,000 square feet of retail and underground parking.

Crow Co. plans to start construction on the tower early next year with an opening in mid-2023. The developer is seeking zoning changes to allow for greater height and density for the project.


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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 15 May 2020 07:55

There looks to be a drive thru and a small parking lot by trulucks.. the architecture looks okay.. wish it was less glass and more in line with the crescent.

I'm just glad the trulucks building is being scrapped. Awful, not sure why it was approved to begin with. It Didn't fit the area architecturally being right on McKinney and designed like an Albertsons..

I'm still surprised the retail strip across shake shack still exists.. that could easily hold multiple towers.

Overall, a good project and I like the plan. Wish the sidewalk was bigger.

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Postby dzh » 15 May 2020 08:22

I really don't think this building has enough retail in my opinion...I'm sure Trulucks will take up at least 90% of the 15,000 sq. ft. designated for retail. But other than that small critique, I think this is a really solid project. Definitely a massive improvement over what is currently there.

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Postby R1070 » 15 May 2020 08:38

I like it. The drive/parking appear to be on the side, which is better than along McKinney.

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Postby ContriveDallasite » 15 May 2020 10:57

She's a looker, glad that Trulucks is gone. What a waste...Now only the gas station left to go.

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Postby clcrash19 » 15 May 2020 11:03

If it gets rid of trulucks, its a huge positive in my opinion. excited to see this one get started

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Postby exelone31 » 15 May 2020 11:24

clcrash19 wrote:If it gets rid of trulucks, its a huge positive in my opinion. excited to see this one get started


This x 1,000

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Postby eburress » 15 May 2020 11:38

Gorgeous! I love it!

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Postby DFW » 15 May 2020 12:42

Overall I like the design particularly the base area, interesting, great addition.

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Postby DPatel304 » 15 May 2020 12:43

I'm so glad that the god-awful Truluck's didn't stick around for too long! This is a great looking tower and a welcome addition to the area!

I'm guessing the pandemic likely hastened the closing of Gold's Gym and, as a result, we are getting this tower sooner than expected. I wonder if the same will happen to other businesses in the area.
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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 15 May 2020 13:06

Guess this is why Gold's Gym was so eager to permanently close this location anyway. The article says they have been working on getting both tracks since 2016. No wonder Golds didn't reinvest in the existing building they were holding out for a developer check so they could leave without spending any more money.
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Postby R1070 » 15 May 2020 14:22

It looked like soil samples were being taken in the Gold’s parking lot today.

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Postby mhainli » 15 May 2020 15:39

It’s a great looking tower (I like the reflective glass) and it’s nice to see a developer in this area propose something taller than 20 stories and make the parking underground. Kudos to TC. We’ve criticized them before for being too conservative so this is a great change.

I do wonder why this type of development wasn’t proposed 5 years ago. Trulucks spent a lot on a restaurant that didn’t fit very well in the neighborhood.

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Postby mrmandalay » 15 May 2020 19:25

This is the best news i've heard on here since SHTF. Was getting a little disenchanted with all the prospects in Uptown... as far as i'm concerned, this project is a godsend. Anything beats an empty Gold's gym and a Truluck's parking lot

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Postby R1070 » 15 May 2020 20:43

I hope the other projects up the street come online as well. McKinney Ave could feel totally different.

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Postby Tnexster » 15 May 2020 21:27

Sure like that they are punching through the usual 20 floor ceiling.

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Postby mcrdal15 » 16 May 2020 07:22

mrmandalay wrote:This is the best news i've heard on here since SHTF. Was getting a little disenchanted with all the prospects in Uptown... as far as i'm concerned, this project is a godsend. Anything beats an empty Gold's gym and a Truluck's parking lot


At least the Gold's Gym building was built to the sidewalk and pedestrian oriented, unlike the God awful Trulucks.

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Postby Tnexster » 18 May 2020 11:57

Will Trulocks get a ground level location in this tower? I know thats two years away, I would miss that chocolate cake.

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Postby clcrash19 » 18 May 2020 14:23

Yea trulucks will remain on ground level retail

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Postby OrangeMike » 04 Jun 2020 22:11

Some more information and renderings from Jon Anderson at Candy’s Dirt: Several levels of above-ground parking in addition to underground, pedestrian office entrance but no curb cuts on McKinney, circular driveway/Truluck’s valet on Maple, garage entrance on Fairmount, height and FAR increases requested.

https://candysdirt.com/2020/06/03/tramm ... committee/

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Jun 2020 13:36

Nice, least they are going below grade.

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Postby I45Tex » 21 Aug 2020 18:45

Mods please merge with 2401 McKinney thread


Edit: Threads merged. - CTM

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Postby I45Tex » 05 Sep 2020 12:53

OrangeMike wrote:...garage entrance on Fairmount, height and FAR increases requested.

https://candysdirt.com/2020/06/03/tramm ... committee/


Balfour Beatty Construction filed five work in progress documents with the FAA on September 1st. Link is to the last one (...each one for a "point" of the top of this building -- 402', 402', 414', 414', 415').

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 793&row=12


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Postby Tucy » 08 Sep 2020 16:54

That would be a very good-looking building. Hope TC can make it happen.

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Postby rono3849 » 08 Sep 2020 18:38

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Tucy wrote:That would be a very good-looking building. Hope TC can make it happen.


I got a feeling this one is going to happen. Trammell Crow Company has a high level of success of moving forward on projects once they've been announced. Since the Dallas planning commission will green light this development with haste, I'd expect the construction to start early in 2021. It's a great Uptown location adjacent to Downtown.
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