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Downtown Dallas: AMLI Fountain Place (562 FT / 46 ST)

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Downtown Dallas: AMLI Fountain Place (562 FT / 46 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 07 Nov 2016 10:18

Let's not forget this one.

Developer plans 40-story apartment tower on high-profile downtown Dallas site

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/busi ... allas-site

Developers are working on plans for a 40-story apartment tower that would be constructed on a key downtown site.

The ultra high-rise residential building would sit next door to Dallas’ landmark Fountain Place tower at Field Street and Munger Avenue.

Chicago-based apartment developer Amli Residential is eyeing the project, which would be built on land now used for surface parking.

The building site is just a block south of Woodall Rodgers Freeway and near Victory Park.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: AMLI Residential Tower

Postby kingpin » 14 Nov 2016 09:48

my sources tell me this one will definitely happen

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 14 Nov 2016 10:53

...hmmmmm

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Postby dukemeredith » 14 Nov 2016 11:30

I'm trying to imagine exactly where this project is going to be. There isn't a ton of room between the planned Perot Tower and Fountain Place -- especially with the Fountain Place parking garage going up. Will this block be too crowded?

Why wouldn't they (or anyone, frankly) consider one of parking lots on the other side of Fountain Place at Ross and Field?

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Postby muncien » 14 Nov 2016 12:34

There's plenty of room for a residential tower there. It's the exact same footprint as the existing fountain place. Remember, the parking garage was relocated to the lot along Freeman.

Still waiting to see what Headington has in store for those Ross/Field lots... But maybe this will help get that into gear.
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Postby Tnexster » 14 Nov 2016 22:15

I hope it does, this area is desperate for something new, and something that may help jumpstart some other new products.

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Postby Jay9398 » 15 Nov 2016 08:19

The proposed South Asian Museum and tower across the street would help as well, if that ever happens.

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Postby Tnexster » 22 Nov 2016 10:05

Downtown Dallas apartment skyscraper could start next year

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/real ... -next-year

Real estate brokers say that Amli has contracted to purchase the tower site from Fountain Place owner Goddard Investments.

Amli's Taylor Bowen said the sale is scheduled to close next year.

The planned apartment tower would be about 350 units and would be on land that was originally planned for a twin tower to the green glass Fountain Place that was built in the 1980s.

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Postby ContriveDallasite » 23 Nov 2016 04:00

Can't wait for some tasty renders.

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Postby Tnexster » 23 Nov 2016 12:47

I am happy with the upward trend with towers with three at at least 30 and now two at or near 40.

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Postby Hwulivn » 23 Nov 2016 22:44

Height looks good from a distance and all, but I'm hopeful that new towers engage surrrounding streets and adjacent properties in the best ways possible. This will actually add to the urban fabric, create a better pedestrian realm and lead to a healthier tax base as retail would be more likely to thrive.

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Postby Boomerreed » 24 Nov 2016 20:21

It may be reaching some, but I hope for some pretty decent architecture for this development since it is adjacent to one of the most recognizable skyscrapers in the world by a world-renown architect. Then again, it is a rental property so I won't get my hopes up too high.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Nov 2016 08:46

Just look at Amli history when they develop their own properties instead of buying a property like the Hi-Line.


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Postby tanzoak » 09 Jan 2017 14:30

562' structure height? Hey now! That's more like 45 stories, no?

Crazy thing is that even if this lot and the Hillwood lot next to it get filled in with 40+ story buildings (or whatever), the area is still an insane surface parking wasteland. So many more of these could go in there!

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Postby eburress » 09 Jan 2017 15:19

Yep, that's essentially the same height as Museum Tower, which is fantastic news!

Re. the vacant lots, I completely agree. The South Asian Museum (and its corresponding residential high rise) is intended for that big lot across the street from the Hillwood and AMLI towers, and it's just a matter of time before that awful four corners of parking lots receive buildings as well.

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Postby clcrash19 » 09 Jan 2017 15:21

Thats awesome if it gets passed.. for reference museum tower is 560' right? Also on the abandon lots, does the private family who had plans for the south asian museum still own the lots parallel to these lots? Whats the latest on that?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 09 Jan 2017 16:04

Unfortunately I still see field st as being very anti pedestrian...

That unnecessary off ramp from Woodall to field and the single use Garages and the fountain places fortress and it's lack of a frontal sidewalk facing field. Very ugly little area.

It would be awesome if that street were redone completely. Take it down to 3 lanes from six. And have mix use structures with reatil facing field all the way to VP / Harwood.

Oh well hopefully this apartment brings life and change to the area.

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Postby Tucy » 09 Jan 2017 16:10

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Unfortunately I still see field st as being very anti pedestrian...

That unnecessary off ramp from Woodall to field and the single use Garages and the fountain places fortress and it's lack of a frontal sidewalk facing field. Very ugly little area.

It would be awesome if that street were redone completely. Take it down to 3 lanes from six. And have mix use structures with reatil facing field all the way to VP / Harwood.

Oh well hopefully this apartment brings life and change to the area.


I was thinking the same thing with respect to the proposed Hillwood office development on the adjacent site. The location does not seem compelling at all, at least for anyone seeking an urban, walkable, location

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Postby Austin55 » 09 Jan 2017 19:04

The parking lots are atrocious, but if there's 500 foot buildings replacing them, it'll be worth the wait.

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Postby willyk » 10 Jan 2017 02:13

Ross Avenue is stuck in the '80s--- large monumental buildings occupying whole blocks, limited retail, not much residential and certainly no neighborhood services that make a walkable, livable environment.

Unless the Ross property owners can transform this area into something more appealing, they will never overcome the discount in values that comes with crossing the Park from Uptown.

The residential coming at AMLI, TC, Hall and Flora is all good, helpful stuff, but so far we haven't seen signs of the livable infill we need to make Ross Ave competitive with McKinney Ave.

Turning some of these thoroughfares into landscaped boulevards would go a long way toward this goal, as would connecting Ross to the human-scaled neighborhoods like EMC and the West End.

The City won't pay for these things. It's up to the Ross Ave property owners to undertake these and similar projects, just like the Uptown PID has done in their neighborhood.

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Postby maconahey » 16 Feb 2017 14:39

Looks like the FAA approved the proposal the other day


Description of Proposal:
46 level residential tower at 1800 N. Field St. Property will be concrete/steel with curtain wall glass facade. 9-level concrete podium garage extending 97' above grade. Resi tower on top of podium is rotated 45 degrees. Tower has 6 corners extending up to 562' above grade.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 57&row=427

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 16 Feb 2017 14:45

Good news! Is the work schedule usually pretty accurate? Because 3/1 is less than two weeks away.

Work Schedule: 03/01/2017 to 12/31/2019

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Postby Tnexster » 16 Feb 2017 14:46

Maybe we will get a look at it soon?

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Postby joshua.dodd » 16 Feb 2017 19:37

willyk wrote:Ross Avenue is stuck in the '80s--- large monumental buildings occupying whole blocks, limited retail, not much residential and certainly no neighborhood services that make a walkable, livable environment.

Unless the Ross property owners can transform this area into something more appealing, they will never overcome the discount in values that comes with crossing the Park from Uptown.

The City won't pay for these things. It's up to the Ross Ave property owners to undertake these and similar projects, just like the Uptown PID has done in their neighborhood.


This is exactly what many of the property owners along Ross Avenue are doing. They see the change and they are jumping like flies on honey with investments. To give an example of a recent development, the Trammell Crow Tower is having a major redo on its first level that includes extending it out to the street with retail amenities open to pedestrian foot traffic. The Chase Building is also having a major overhaul of its Ross side plaza. There is also Phase II and Phase III of the Hall Arts Project that still has yet to come to fruition. (Phase III is possibly another 50 story plus tower that will stand next door to the Chase Tower)

However, I wish the city would invest in its 360 Plan that includes beautifying the avenue with trees and adding a trolley line to it. That would do wonders for Ross Avenue. Then again...Dallas has one of the most notorious track records in the country when it comes to road maintenance. Just look at the conditions of most roads in the city. Even in Downtown the roads are a deplorable mess. The city really needs an overhaul of upgrades to its existing infrastructure.

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Postby willyk » 16 Feb 2017 23:13

So is this 55 stories all in? I would have expected someone to try something this big in Uptown before Downtown.

But please pass the Kool-Aid. I'm drinking it!

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Postby Tucy » 17 Feb 2017 07:53

willyk wrote:So is this 55 stories all in? I would have expected someone to try something this big in Uptown before Downtown.

But please pass the Kool-Aid. I'm drinking it!


No. It's 46 stories all in. Sounds pretty nice. Looking forward to renderings.

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Postby maconahey » 17 Feb 2017 09:38

Could this be it? It was posted in May 2016 so not sure how accurate this is

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Postby tanzoak » 17 Feb 2017 09:51

maconahey wrote:Could this be it? It was posted in May 2016 so not sure how accurate this is

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https://youtu.be/mpwyFR5oG1U?list=PLJQ7 ... iZpq3O_VJU


That fits the description in the FAA report.

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Postby tamtagon » 17 Feb 2017 09:55

Generally, I think view obstructions rules are best left to the Capitol Building in Austin and the Alamo (I guess).... but Fountain Place is my favorite skyscraper in Texas, and this would be one time I'd rather see much shorter buildings flanking the skyscraper, but if that's what Amli has in mind, that might be just fine.

Would this be the tallest residential building in Texas?

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Postby Reignofcane » 17 Feb 2017 10:12

At 562 ft, it appears it would be 2 ft taller than museum tower (google says museum tower is 560 ft). That rendering above does at least match the general description in the FAA approval letter. I hope it ends up something like that.

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Postby Tnexster » 17 Feb 2017 10:24

IF those views are accurate they would lead me to believe they are at least trying to build something that complements Fountainplace.

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Postby Tucy » 17 Feb 2017 13:53

tamtagon wrote:
Would this be the tallest residential building in Texas?


No. Austin has at least two taller residential buildings, plus another under construction.

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Postby muncien » 17 Feb 2017 14:02

Tnexster wrote:IF those views are accurate they would lead me to believe they are at least trying to build something that complements Fountainplace.


I totally agree. I mean, the lack of color leaves a lot to the imagination, but the shape itself will fit perfectly.
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Postby Austin55 » 17 Feb 2017 22:14

That does seem like a nice compliment to FP. The crown is interesting, lots of steel and glass, could be beautiful if well lit.

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Postby Matt777 » 18 Feb 2017 14:13

Wowza! This could be very cool. I'm hoping that the structural parts we see and the windows will all be covered by glass, in the same style and color as Fountain Place. It seems that way from the animation video. If this happens, big huge kudos to AMLI.

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Postby buildingswithlegs » 18 Feb 2017 21:03

that parking garage is upsetting

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Feb 2017 08:49

buildingswithlegs wrote:that parking garage is upsetting


I Can't really judge it.. the rendering isn't detailed enough for me to form an opinion. I can't tell if it even has retail. Which I critical IMO for that part of downtown.

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Postby Matt777 » 19 Feb 2017 13:11

buildingswithlegs wrote:that parking garage is upsetting


At least it looks like it will be wrapped completely in glass.... which makes it pretty unnoticeable actually. I would imagine that the pool deck will be on top of the garage in that triangular space not covered by the tower. Regarding retail, they'd be stupid not to include some facing the plaza and one of the biggest office buildings in downtown. This design is such a breath of fresh air compared to all the rectangular box towers going up everywhere.

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Postby maconahey » 20 Feb 2017 14:58

Found a few more goodies

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pages 66-73
https://issuu.com/mrahmatoulin/docs/mra ... folio_2017

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Postby Tnexster » 20 Feb 2017 15:58

Those really are goodies! Thanks!

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Postby clcrash19 » 20 Feb 2017 16:01

I really like this tower alot

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Postby Cbdallas » 20 Feb 2017 16:09

So how cool if this goes up and Perot can put his big tower next to this one at the freeway. It will totally change the skyline.

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Postby R1070 » 20 Feb 2017 19:05

Cbdallas wrote:So how cool if this goes up and Perot can put his big tower next to this one at the freeway. It will totally change the skyline.


That's what I was thinking!

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Postby joshua.dodd » 20 Feb 2017 21:22

This entire side of downtown is going to become a jungle of vertical density!

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Postby Tnexster » 21 Feb 2017 09:49

And the museum and tower that is supposed to go across the street.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Feb 2017 11:16

Tnexster wrote:And the museum and tower that is supposed to go across the street.


Meh... I lost all hope in that ever coming to fruition.

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Postby Tnexster » 21 Feb 2017 12:01

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Tnexster wrote:And the museum and tower that is supposed to go across the street.


Meh... I lost all hope in that ever coming to fruition.


We have seen worse, The Union was the longest wait between announcement and development.

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Postby muncien » 21 Feb 2017 12:17

I also recall there being some dependencies on D2, as potential route and station could be right through their property. Perhaps that is something they are working through as well as it could drastically alter their design.
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Postby eburress » 21 Feb 2017 15:56

Tnexster wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Tnexster wrote:And the museum and tower that is supposed to go across the street.


Meh... I lost all hope in that ever coming to fruition.


We have seen worse, The Union was the longest wait between announcement and development.


Longer than the Lone Star Tower site/project?? Hahaha


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