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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Aug 2018 08:56

They are a neighborhood brand that seems like a second location better fit would have been in a more neighborhood-like setting rather than a neighborhood/entertainment district. Sure Deep Ellum has a dedicated bunch of actual residents but it seems like Oak Lawn, Greenville, Bishop Arts even would have been a better spot to catch those walk-up resident types. They aren't a hipster brand that can just open in every cool new spot in Texas and absorb a new customer base. They have to romanticise the neighborhood for their flavor of the local spot of down-home cool treats and food.

Steel City they ain't.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 11 Sep 2018 16:36

Funky winery from Denver uncorks tap room for Dallas' Deep Ellum
Deep Ellum is in line to get something the bustling Dallas neighborhood does not yet have: a wine bar.

More specifically, it will be home to an urban winery and taproom called The Infinite Monkey Theorem from a Denver winemaker of the same name.

Taproom director David Goergen confirms that the wine bar will open at 2816 Main St., with a date tentatively set for 2019. It'll be the fourth wine bar for the growing concept.

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... eep-ellum/

I've had this wine before in Austin. I know next to nothing about wine, so I can't really speak on the quality of the wine, but I like that they are trying to make wine more approachable for the casual drinker. Personally, I'm fine drinking bottled wine the way people have been doing since forever, but I think there is a huge untapped market for some more 'casual/party/cool' wine. I'm not saying this company will be the one that makes wine cool, but I like that they are trying, and I like that they are locating in Deep Ellum which makes it feel like Deep Ellum could be one of the earlier adopters of this new trend of cool wine.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Warrior2015 » 26 Sep 2018 15:08

Looks like the punch bowl social opening has been pushed back to Feb 2019 now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dallas.eat ... ruary-2019

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Sep 2018 09:02

Well, get ready TX/OU crowd. People will find Uptown severely lacking in the party scene this time around and Deep Ellum will be overwhelmed.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 27 Sep 2018 09:20

^as it should be....

As some of the city's institutions and scenes settle into a more natural rhythm, Fair Park will reign supreme as an organized entertainment destination, CBD area will double as the preferred overnight accommodation setting for business and pleasure travelers to the area, and Deep Ellum will elevate to the continental level of music and art entertainment destinations. Maybe not a red-light district, but certainly a Dallas-Texas sytled mixture of Sunset Strip, Beale Street, South Beach, French Quarter, Village whatever.... safe enough for suburban excursionists, sketchy enough for experimentation and safe for every adult thanks to a well defined policing objective to protect nightlife participants.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby mcrdal15 » 27 Sep 2018 10:39

tamtagon wrote:^as it should be....

As some of the city's institutions and scenes settle into a more natural rhythm, Fair Park will reign supreme as an organized entertainment destination, CBD area will double as the preferred overnight accommodation setting for business and pleasure travelers to the area, and Deep Ellum will elevate to the continental level of music and art entertainment destinations. Maybe not a red-light district, but certainly a Dallas-Texas sytled mixture of Sunset Strip, Beale Street, South Beach, French Quarter, Village whatever.... safe enough for suburban excursionists, sketchy enough for experimentation and safe for every adult thanks to a well defined policing objective to protect nightlife participants.


Deep Ellum is also in a perfect and more convenient location for fairgoers than Uptown. Hopefully one day, Expo Park will have a more natural connection with Deep Ellum.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 27 Sep 2018 11:39

mcrdal15 wrote:Deep Ellum is also in a perfect and more convenient location for fairgoers than Uptown. Hopefully one day, Expo Park will have a more natural connection with Deep Ellum.


Honestly, we could make this happen next year. Yes, the walk isn't great, but if it's for a one time event with tons of people, would it really be that hard to block off one of the streets from Fair Park to Deep Ellum, and maybe put some stalls or something to do along the way.

Exposition area is a fine place for people to walk, and, from there, it's only a weird half a mile stretch until you hit Cold Beer Company, Double Wide, Sandbar Cantina, and Bowls & Tacos. That's kinda the half way point, so, from there, it's another half a mile down Main Street which will get you to the heart of Deep Ellum.

Just put up some pop-up establishments along the way on game day, and I think it would work well enough for people going to the games.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby dallaz » 27 Sep 2018 11:50

Baker's Ribs is closing for a bank in Deep Ellum, as 'wildcatters' of old make way for boomtown

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... y-boomtown

Joe Duncan emailed this week with a simple enough request. "If you have the opportunity to let our long time friends and customers know we are leaving Deep Ellum at the end of September it would be nice," wrote the man who opened Baker's Ribs during the presidency of the first George Bush. Long story short, he wrote, it was just a "good business opportunity" to sell out, close up and move on.

"I love the neighborhood," Duncan signed off, "and wish everyone continued luck with yet another transformation."

By which he means: Come next spring, give or take, a bank will replace the Main Street barbecue eatery -- the homegrown Texas Brand Bank, which just planted a branch in the Cedars. It's so tempting to cry foul -- oh, God, another hole in the soul of Deep Ellum. But I'm over it.

At least it's not a parking lot. Or another (insert expletive here) CVS. Or one more shiny high-rise towering over single-story storefronts built to last. Or a longtime artists' loft being cleared of its current occupants to make way for shops, offices and eateries.

"Next thing you know, we'll have another West End on our hands," Duncan said, laughing, when I got him on the phone Wednesday to talk about his imminent departure. "But I still like the neighborhood."

The pitmaster was in Wilmington, N.C., as part of Operation BBQ Relief, feeding folks displaced by Hurricane Florence. He gets back Saturday. Baker's, which moved from Commerce Street to Main six years ago, closes the next day.

"I guess it's kind of a changing of the guard, so to speak," he said. "It's a big change to think about. Maybe the neighborhood will be better than ever. I hope so. I'm happy for all those folks who wanna get in there and do it."

I think by now we're way past Deep Ellum obits; the late Barry Annino told us, 11 years ago, "Deep Ellum as everyone knew it is over." Yes, I'll miss Baker's -- must have eaten there once a week in my early 20s, when I had the good fortune of chronicling a nascent music community that had sprung up in a neighborhood my family helped build. Haven't been there in five, six years, but, sure, I remember when Baker's opened in 1990, originally at 2724 Commerce St. -- the 90-year-old brick storefront decorated with the painted pink pig that's now serving Tanoshii Ramen.

That was during Deep Ellum's first or 93rd rebirth, guess it depends on your perspective. Wasn't much around then -- Adair's, Club Clearview, Crescent City Cafe, Club Dada, the Art Bar, Deep Ellum Cafe and a few other seedlings about to sprout. Angry Dog and Trees opened the same year.

But this is now the Deep Ellum of The Epic, of new construction along Canton Street meant to look old and "appropriately gritty for Deep Ellum," of reinvestment and reinvention. Its blank spaces have been filled in by a carousel of eateries, a rock star's baseball-bat outlet, places that sell fancy olive oils and smelly candles and funny socks, and endless bars and music venues. Its forever-cycle of boom-and-bust has come to an end; it's Williamsburg if it were a theme park, said my visiting cousin after we spent a recent crowded-sidewalk Saturday ducking into every open door down there.

This week I called Amanda Austin, owner of the Dallas Comedy House, to see how she felt about being next door to a bank. She's neck-deep in her own tussle over the future of Deep Ellum: Her newish out-of-town landlords, owners of Terry Black's Barbecue in Austin, have made it clear they want to do barbecue in the comedy club once her lease is up. About that situation she has no comment, for now.

But Austin said she's OK with getting a Texas Brand Bank, especially since it's homegrown and "they seem like they want to engage with the community, and it would be nice to use a local bank the way we used to use local banks," for, oh, investing in small businesses and putting money back into the neighborhood.

That's the plan, president William Lowe told me this week when explaining why they were going into the Cedars and Deep Ellum, banking deserts.

"There are a lot of restaurants down there, but not any banks," Lowe said. "Our focus has been generally small-business and real estate lending, and we think both Deep Ellum and the Cedars are naturals for those types of businesses."

Madison Partners, the real estate company that owns and leases much of Deep Ellum and Lower Greenville, closed on the Baker's building in June. Madison's Jon Hetzel told Duncan he could stay as long as he wanted on a long-term lease. But no. He's 68 and still has a few other locations to operate, along with a thriving fried-pie business to oversee.

Duncan said business was still good -- even after Pecan Lodge opened down the street. But he sounded nostalgic, too, for the Deep Ellum in which he and the other "wildcatters," as he likes to call them, roamed free three decades ago.

"Back then, everyone was barely able to get their business open," he said. "That was part of the fun of it -- the struggle."

That's what I tell myself now when I struggle to park down there. That's part of the fun of Deep Ellum.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 27 Sep 2018 12:40

Geez okay, but the bank better not be tearing down the building and sure as hell better not be putting in a bank drive thru.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 27 Sep 2018 13:42

There's already a New Texas Based Bank on Gaston...So whatever. This better not year down the Baker's building.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 27 Sep 2018 20:45

Oh, I'm sure something will be torn down to make way for a drive-thru. I mean, this is Dallas after all.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby dzh » 28 Sep 2018 07:22

dallaz wrote:Baker's Ribs is closing for a bank in Deep Ellum, as 'wildcatters' of old make way for boomtown

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... y-boomtown

Joe Duncan emailed this week with a simple enough request. "If you have the opportunity to let our long time friends and customers know we are leaving Deep Ellum at the end of September it would be nice," wrote the man who opened Baker's Ribs during the presidency of the first George Bush. Long story short, he wrote, it was just a "good business opportunity" to sell out, close up and move on.

"I love the neighborhood," Duncan signed off, "and wish everyone continued luck with yet another transformation."

By which he means: Come next spring, give or take, a bank will replace the Main Street barbecue eatery -- the homegrown Texas Brand Bank, which just planted a branch in the Cedars. It's so tempting to cry foul -- oh, God, another hole in the soul of Deep Ellum. But I'm over it.

At least it's not a parking lot. Or another (insert expletive here) CVS. Or one more shiny high-rise towering over single-story storefronts built to last. Or a longtime artists' loft being cleared of its current occupants to make way for shops, offices and eateries.

"Next thing you know, we'll have another West End on our hands," Duncan said, laughing, when I got him on the phone Wednesday to talk about his imminent departure. "But I still like the neighborhood."

The pitmaster was in Wilmington, N.C., as part of Operation BBQ Relief, feeding folks displaced by Hurricane Florence. He gets back Saturday. Baker's, which moved from Commerce Street to Main six years ago, closes the next day.

"I guess it's kind of a changing of the guard, so to speak," he said. "It's a big change to think about. Maybe the neighborhood will be better than ever. I hope so. I'm happy for all those folks who wanna get in there and do it."

I think by now we're way past Deep Ellum obits; the late Barry Annino told us, 11 years ago, "Deep Ellum as everyone knew it is over." Yes, I'll miss Baker's -- must have eaten there once a week in my early 20s, when I had the good fortune of chronicling a nascent music community that had sprung up in a neighborhood my family helped build. Haven't been there in five, six years, but, sure, I remember when Baker's opened in 1990, originally at 2724 Commerce St. -- the 90-year-old brick storefront decorated with the painted pink pig that's now serving Tanoshii Ramen.

That was during Deep Ellum's first or 93rd rebirth, guess it depends on your perspective. Wasn't much around then -- Adair's, Club Clearview, Crescent City Cafe, Club Dada, the Art Bar, Deep Ellum Cafe and a few other seedlings about to sprout. Angry Dog and Trees opened the same year.

But this is now the Deep Ellum of The Epic, of new construction along Canton Street meant to look old and "appropriately gritty for Deep Ellum," of reinvestment and reinvention. Its blank spaces have been filled in by a carousel of eateries, a rock star's baseball-bat outlet, places that sell fancy olive oils and smelly candles and funny socks, and endless bars and music venues. Its forever-cycle of boom-and-bust has come to an end; it's Williamsburg if it were a theme park, said my visiting cousin after we spent a recent crowded-sidewalk Saturday ducking into every open door down there.

This week I called Amanda Austin, owner of the Dallas Comedy House, to see how she felt about being next door to a bank. She's neck-deep in her own tussle over the future of Deep Ellum: Her newish out-of-town landlords, owners of Terry Black's Barbecue in Austin, have made it clear they want to do barbecue in the comedy club once her lease is up. About that situation she has no comment, for now.

But Austin said she's OK with getting a Texas Brand Bank, especially since it's homegrown and "they seem like they want to engage with the community, and it would be nice to use a local bank the way we used to use local banks," for, oh, investing in small businesses and putting money back into the neighborhood.

That's the plan, president William Lowe told me this week when explaining why they were going into the Cedars and Deep Ellum, banking deserts.

"There are a lot of restaurants down there, but not any banks," Lowe said. "Our focus has been generally small-business and real estate lending, and we think both Deep Ellum and the Cedars are naturals for those types of businesses."

Madison Partners, the real estate company that owns and leases much of Deep Ellum and Lower Greenville, closed on the Baker's building in June. Madison's Jon Hetzel told Duncan he could stay as long as he wanted on a long-term lease. But no. He's 68 and still has a few other locations to operate, along with a thriving fried-pie business to oversee.

Duncan said business was still good -- even after Pecan Lodge opened down the street. But he sounded nostalgic, too, for the Deep Ellum in which he and the other "wildcatters," as he likes to call them, roamed free three decades ago.

"Back then, everyone was barely able to get their business open," he said. "That was part of the fun of it -- the struggle."

That's what I tell myself now when I struggle to park down there. That's part of the fun of Deep Ellum.


So Terry Black's will open up where the Comedy House is next year? Terry's is a pretty popular spot in Austin

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 28 Sep 2018 09:31

dzh wrote:
So Terry Black's will open up where the Comedy House is next year? Terry's is a pretty popular spot in Austin


That has been a whole issue since Spring. Terry Black's bought the building along with the existing lease to Dallas Comedy House, and then has been trying every trick under the sun to intimidate and threaten DCH to end their lease early. It's pretty gross what they're doing, actually, and I know that I for one will NOT patronize them. Nobody who cares about Dallas and our local culture should either, with the tactics they've taken. Do NOT Austin my Dallas.

Read more here:
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... deep-ellum

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 28 Sep 2018 11:11

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:There's already a New Texas Based Bank on Gaston...So whatever. This better not year down the Baker's building.


This is Texas Brand Bank. Not the same.

Ironically, one block away the NE corner of Hall and Elm was a drive-thru for many years for one of the big downtown banks.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 28 Sep 2018 11:14

Matt777 wrote:That has been a whole issue since Spring. Terry Black's bought the building along with the existing lease to Dallas Comedy House, and then has been trying every trick under the sun to intimidate and threaten DCH to end their lease early. It's pretty gross what they're doing, actually, and I know that I for one will NOT patronize them. Nobody who cares about Dallas and our local culture should either, with the tactics they've taken. Do NOT Austin my Dallas.


Amen.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 28 Sep 2018 11:19

Matt777 wrote:Geez okay, but the bank better not be tearing down the building and sure as hell better not be putting in a bank drive thru.

It's a small property without much parking. I'm wondering if they're buying an adjacent property, too. They're going to have to have a drive thru somewhere to be competitive.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 28 Sep 2018 11:39

It looks like the same company owns the auto supply building adjacent to Baker's Ribs, so that may give them some room to work with if they demolish that one. Still, a bank with a drive-thru and giant parking lot is not what I'd like to see in front of the Case Building.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby mdg109 » 28 Sep 2018 12:15

The Cedars location looks pretty bad. Definitely a downgrade for this part of DE.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb ... _8oUv_SecB

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby The_Overdog » 28 Sep 2018 13:39

I think what they did (add a mid-grade EIFS front on an existing windowless ugly building) is just fine. They didn't demolish anything and if it's successful it'll get better looking in time.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 28 Sep 2018 15:13

mdg109 wrote:The Cedars location looks pretty bad. Definitely a downgrade for this part of DE.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb ... _8oUv_SecB


That looks really bad. I'm glad this means that they might keep the existing building in Deep Ellum and adapt it to their needs, but they need to hire a good designer and devote an appropriate reno budget or just don't do it at all. That seriously looks like they did not hire a designer and someone who works there just dictated a design to a low cost construction crew like "4 columns here, and a triangle."

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 Sep 2018 15:19

Matt777 wrote:
mdg109 wrote:The Cedars location looks pretty bad. Definitely a downgrade for this part of DE.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb ... _8oUv_SecB


That looks really bad. I'm glad this means that they might keep the existing building in Deep Ellum and adapt it to their needs, but they need to hire a good designer and devote an appropriate reno budget or just don't do it at all. That seriously looks like they did not hire a designer and someone who works there just dictated a design to a low cost construction crew like "4 columns here, and a triangle."



But the Greek facade makes it look more "bankery"

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby NdoorTX » 28 Sep 2018 15:35

^ seriously crap-tastic

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Re: Baylor Scott & White Admin Complex

Postby dallaz » 01 Oct 2018 12:51

Hannibal Lecter wrote:This is going to be big. 600k square feet.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... m-district

By comparison, the office tower at the Epic is only 250k SF.

Baylor Scott and White Health and Memorial Hermann Health System plan to merge. I wonder what effect it will have on this project?


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/hea ... plan-merge

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 01 Oct 2018 14:24

Hmm, so their CEO will be the new guy in charge of the combined system. I wonder who will get the HQ. Mind you in some form this kinda agrees with the whole Houston to Dallas bullet train concept that companies can utilize the highspeed train to manage companies like this easier. The CEO could ride a train to Dallas every day if he needed to with some serious dependability of a high-speed train.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 01 Oct 2018 16:13

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Hmm, so their CEO will be the new guy in charge of the combined system. I wonder who will get the HQ. Mind you in some form this kinda agrees with the whole Houston to Dallas bullet train concept that companies can utilize the highspeed train to manage companies like this easier. The CEO could ride a train to Dallas every day if he needed to with some serious dependability of a high-speed train.


I read it as the Baylor SW CEO will take over as CEO, and the Memorial Hermann CEO will oversee Houston operations for now. So, if they consolidate HQs it seems like it would be in Dallas where the new org CEO is.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 02 Oct 2018 15:00

The Bottled Blonde building is listed for sale here. I have no idea if this means anything, or if it is significant, but figured I would post here regardless:
http://www.loopnet.com/for-sale/?sk=473 ... _kyJ9lnl-e

The listing was created on 9/12/2018 and the listing price is $12.6 million.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby dallaz » 04 Oct 2018 12:19

Really good news story about Deep Ellum

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcdfw ... ml%3famp=y

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Cord1936 » 04 Oct 2018 22:09

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New Name and Headquarters For Baylor Scott and White, Memorial Hermann?
10/4/2018| by Will Maddox| D CEO Healthcare

The short answers to those questions are 1) Yes, there will be a new name, but they don’t know what it will be just yet, and 2) There are no plans for a new combined headquarters.

Dallas’s Baylor Scott and White and Houston-based Memorial Hermann have signed a letter of intent to merge, combining the two health networks into one system that will span Dallas, Houston, Austin, and Temple, accounting for $14.4 billion in revenue, according to Modern Healthcare.
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According to ECN, the merger makes the new company one of the five largest nonprofit health systems in the country.

When asked if the merger would result in a new headquarters, they repeated the answer given in the press release, that there will be executive support staff in Dallas, Houston, Austin, and Temple.
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Article: https://healthcare.dmagazine.com/2018/10/04/new-name-and-headquarters-for-baylor-scott-and-white-memorial-hermann/?utm_campaign=Newsletter%20-%20D%20CEO&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=66448379&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--9c1g-lLXdl-dnE95464GGghPjLraSKhqcyrvzkli44aCeOmboWeKZHlBhqDVh8n_jIZP96UMZUXtwPRaG4Y_cZ0Eicg&_hsmi=66448379


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