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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 19 Jul 2018 09:09

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Yeah just look at the ad for the Grand Opening. I wonder where the Valet stand will be located.
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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 19 Jul 2018 09:33

The restaurant/bar inside the hostel is definitely way too pricey for a hostel, but I don't think that's a huge deal, considering there are a number of options in Deep Ellum for quick/cheap eats.

I don't know how expensive hostels generally are, but I'm not surprised that this is more on the pricey side. They are the first to market, so I suppose they can charge prices like that and people will likely pay it. Like ContriveDallasite said, I do hope this opens up the door for more hostels that could potentially come in at a lower price rate.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Jul 2018 10:25

That's just a photo...doesn't necessarily mean anything. I've stayed in a hostel in London where they had a fancy underground bar and pool table.

The thing is Hostels need a social place to interact w other people staying there.

A bar is a good thing.

What are the rates for this place? Anything over 40 dollars is expensive for a hostel.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 19 Jul 2018 10:49

This tone and scale of this place is just fine. The pics and description sure make it seem fancy, but I stayed at one in New Orleans once that seemed upscale for a hostel by the description and pictures, but the place was simply exactly what it should have been. The private room and bed I splurged for was almost comfortable, no lock on the door as expected; the kitchen was in full swing with someone making extra delicious breakfast for anyone to share, computers with internet access were gratefully reasonably priced (this before everyone had belt-computers called smart phones), the common area inside was tight but very comfortable and the common area outside was beautiful. I think it was $30 night for my delux accommodation package that included a parking space.

This one will be Luxurious Dallas because it's brand new. It'll gather a Deep Ellum patina with age.

No doubt Dallas is becoming more of an pleasure tourist/excursionist destination for North America. The city has evolved and downtown area has enough stuff to do to fill almost a week. Ridiculous continued neglect at Fair Park is municipal blight of the highest order, but proper management of that asset in inevitable. AND just one easy train ride away is an whole different town, Fort Worth, with a collection of complimentary and contrasting cultural amenities that presents a potential that's wide open.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 25 Jul 2018 11:36

I did some dummy bookings on Hostelworld for Deep Ellum Hostel for this weekend, and it looks like some of their dorm rooms are sold out and one of the private rooms is booked. Not bad for nobody knowing about it. The prices have actually slightly increased to $43/night/bed for the cheapest options.

The reviews on Hostelworld are very positive. A nice feature on Hostelworld also shows a snapshot of the origins of people who are booking, and for this weekend it lists 5+ people from USA, England, Canada, Argentina, and New Zealand.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby jrd1964 » 25 Jul 2018 20:23

Sounds like a lot more than 'nobody' knows about it now. This should bode well for possibilities of attracting more hostels around DFW in the future.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 25 Jul 2018 21:16

This will really change the way travelers experience Dallas. Now they can fly to DFW, take the DART to this hostel and there's enough in Deep Ellum to really entertain people for the weekend. If not, they can DART elsewhere, bike somewhere, or use the D-Link.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 29 Jul 2018 20:56

A troubled bar in Deep Ellum has closed, but there's already a new concept moving in, from well-regarded veterans in the neighborhood.

The closure is Drugstore Cowboy, a coffeehouse-bar that resided at one of the most central locations in Deep Ellum: 2721 Main St., at the intersection of Main and Crowdus.

The new concept, called The Crowdus, comes from Braxton Martin, Corey Good, and Justus Pinkston, of High & Tight, the combination barbershop-speakeasy located just a few doors away.

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... eep-ellum/

I wasn't a fan of Drugstore Cowboy, so this isn't much of a loss for me. I do think Deep Ellum definitely needs another coffee shop or two, as it seems to be lacking in that department.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby mdg109 » 30 Jul 2018 12:24

Yeah, I visited Drugstore a few times for the coffee, but it was never a place that I really wanted to stay at. It felt a little dark and cold in there.

From the above article: "It's going to have a '70s/'80s vibe, with fun drinks like daiquiris at awesome prices," he says. "We'll try to bring back what was cool in the '70s and the '80s." This sounds cool if it's done really well.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 30 Jul 2018 12:27

mdg109 wrote:Yeah, I visited Drugstore a few times for the coffee, but it was never a place that I really wanted to stay at. It felt a little dark and cold in there.


Yeah, that's how I felt too. I'm not a huge coffee drinker, so I can't speak on the actual quality of the coffee (most coffee tastes good to me), but I do judge places based on the look and feel of the shop. This definitely did not have the cozy/laid-back vibe I expect from a coffee shop.

I also visited once on a Saturday night to see how it was as a bar, and it didn't even function well as a bar (at least the one time I visited it). It tried to do two different things and seemed to fail at them both. The only thing it had going for it, was the location was fantastic, so hopefully this new venue can bring something better to this particular spot.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 15 Aug 2018 10:10

The mall-ing of Deep Ellum continues as artists are forced to move out of 130-year-old Continental Gin
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... i-use-mall

Kochie and the 54 other artists who work out of the Continental Gin Building have to move out in the next six months — and never come back. The landmark's decades-long tenure as an artists' safe haven, where rent is around one dollar per square foot, is coming to an end.

According to renderings presented to City Hall's Urban Design Peer Review Panel earlier this summer, the new owners — Dallas' August Family Partnership — are planning to convert Robert S. Munger's cotton gin into a multi-use complex. That means 42,000 square feet of office space and 21,000 square feet of retail. There will be a restaurant, too, on the ground floor.


There's a lot of outrage on social media about this, but I don't understand how it makes financial sense to save the building and keep rents at $1/sf. If they were tearing it down, then I'd join the chorus but in the meantime, there's plenty of space for artists in the city center (Cedars Union comes to mind).

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 15 Aug 2018 10:34

I think it sucks almost as much as anyone, but I also think it was a matter time, so whatever. I suppose the solution would be for one or a collection of the art philanthropist to sponsor the artists in a studio-loft warehouse... that would never work. Artists and musicians have been pioneers and then displaced for, like, ever. It's part of it. I know some who have taken to downtown Irving, great location, inexpensive, very good value for the money, a minority majority situation that's so far keeping the neighborhood status quo for now.

The Cedars has been Art-Strong for decades, and that's going to change with the HSR. South Dallas/Fair Park is where the displaced ConGin creative types will likely end up.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 15 Aug 2018 10:47

I like the Continental Gin Building proposal even though I feel bad that the artists are being pushed out. The building needs a lot of repair and restoration in order to survive another 130 years so it's a necessary evil. They could never restore it by continuing to rent it at $1/sqft to artists unless someone donated millions of dollars as a charity, which likely would never happen. I don't like the way DMN portrayed this as a "mall." Come on, it's mainly creative office space with a medium amount of retail on the ground floor. This isn't going to be Stonebriar. I imagine that we will see some very cool tenants in a building like this.

I would love to see the artists begin migrating to the Exposition Park area. Certainly there must be cheap empty space in that neighborhood and some redevelopment there would be wonderful.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 15 Aug 2018 12:16

Baylor is adding another building.

We want to make you aware that several portions of Landry Park will be undergoing construction over the next 24 months as we begin preparations to build a Baylor Scott & White Health administrative services building on our campus. We anticipate that construction will begin near the end of August and should be completed by the fall of 2020.

Impacted areas of the park include the draining and removal of the pond as well as removal of portions of the half-mile track and the pavilion. In addition, the blue emergency callbox in the south end of Landry Park has been disconnected. The waterfall, although not operational for an extended period of time, will still remain in place.


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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 15 Aug 2018 18:59

...so, there's no where else to put this building?

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 15 Aug 2018 19:07

So many ugly lots around Baylor and they want to tear up this nice green space. so Dallas.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby CTroyMathis » 15 Aug 2018 23:02

This just isn't actually a bad joke is it?

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Aug 2018 10:13

Ugh and its an admin building like not even a recovery center that would love better access to the rest of the park space...Instead this will be execs/hr people the kind of thing that almost go in any office building nearby.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 16 Aug 2018 14:34

If only they owned land right across the street where they could build this instead of taking up green space. :roll:

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 16 Aug 2018 15:47

I think we need more parking lots ....

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 16 Aug 2018 17:20

lakewoodhobo wrote:If only they owned land right across the street where they could build this instead of taking up green space. :roll:

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For the record, they don't own that whole block. Elm Street Motors even has (had?) a sign proudly proclaiming "THIS IS NOT BAYLOR PROPERTY".

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 19 Aug 2018 13:15

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This was posted by Local Hub Bicycle Company, and is a picture of the work being done in the space in front of the former Lula B's.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 19 Aug 2018 19:22

I'm glad they are turning this into a pedestrian space in front of those businesses.

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Baylor Scott & White Admin Complex

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 21 Aug 2018 11:12

This is going to be big. 600k square feet.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... m-district

By comparison, the office tower at the Epic is only 250k SF.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 21 Aug 2018 13:02

Well well, they aren't building a little admin building, are they? 600,000sqft is a significant amount of space and a building that most likely will be seen from the highway I even bet that they build a garage as part of it so the office will sit on top.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 21 Aug 2018 13:23

It sucks that the park space has to go, but this seems like a pretty damn good trade-off in my opinion. Honestly, I wasn't even aware of this little bit of greenspace, so it's not much of a loss for me. Obviously I would have preferred this one take the place of an empty lot instead, but they've owned this land for a while and I'm sure the plan was to eventually develop on this at some point.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby dallaz » 21 Aug 2018 14:19

The article says “more than 600,000 sq ft”. That’s huge! Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there’s been a new office building built in Dallas with over 600,000 sq ft in decades (especially in the Downtown area).

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby eburress » 21 Aug 2018 15:19

You're right about that. I wonder though if this is going to be multiple smaller buildings, rather than a single 30+ story tower.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby dallaz » 21 Aug 2018 16:08

eburress wrote:You're right about that. I wonder though if this is going to be multiple smaller buildings, rather than a single 30+ story tower.

That’s my thoughts as well. It has me excited to see what they have planned. 2020 isn’t too far away...so work shouldn’t be too far off.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 21 Aug 2018 16:09

It's only 300,000 sf of occupied space, the rest is probably parking. I would guess office on top of parking again.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 21 Aug 2018 16:11

This is what the article says....

Baylor Scott & White Health plans to build a large office administration complex with more than 600,000 square feet of construction in the 3700 block of Elm Street. The planned office center is just south of Baylor's huge Dallas campus. Building permits value the project at more than $70 million.

The project will include 300,000 square feet of office space and a parking garage.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 21 Aug 2018 16:17

That sounds more realistic. My first thought when I read 600K was that maybe this was a typo and they meant 60K, but now that I see it's 300K of office space, this sounds a lot more believable. 300K is still a great size of office space, so good news either way!

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby dallaz » 21 Aug 2018 16:27

Tnexster wrote:This is what the article says....

Baylor Scott & White Health plans to build a large office administration complex with more than 600,000 square feet of construction in the 3700 block of Elm Street. The planned office center is just south of Baylor's huge Dallas campus. Building permits value the project at more than $70 million.

The project will include 300,000 square feet of office space and a parking garage.
Thanks for the clarification. I skimmed through the article and obviously missed that part.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 21 Aug 2018 16:40

It's easy to do the way it's written.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Thymant » 22 Aug 2018 00:43

Novel Deep Ellum apartments

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Novel Deep Ellum by Thymant, on Flickr

The Crosby Apartments

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 22 Aug 2018 17:03

Vidorra (Mexican restaurant located at 2624 Main St.) has just opened:
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... eep-ellum/

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby eburress » 22 Aug 2018 18:05

^^ I'm looking forward to giving this a try, hopefully in the next few weeks!

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 22 Aug 2018 21:59

The Crosby is a huge apartment building. So great to see all this going up in DE.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby I45Tex » 26 Aug 2018 19:33

Hannibal Lecter wrote:
For the record, they don't own that whole block. Elm Street Motors even has (had?) a sign proudly proclaiming "THIS IS NOT BAYLOR PROPERTY".


DMN did write that the admin block and its equally sized parking garage are going up "in the 3700 block of Elm," contrary to the email attachment we're seeing here. That block is 2.5 acres inside the sidewalk easements, of which DallasCAD says BUMC owns the 1.8 acres, contiguous and with no holdouts, that aren't along the DART tracks. Lakewoodhobo and I, and probably Elm St. Motors' owners (who own under a quarter acre, all told) don't consider it particularly pivotal where this project is concerned. Baylor got to gate the roadway at 3510 Crutcher Street because the city of Dallas is the only other propertyholder all the way from there to N. Washington -- all four streets Race, Adair, Simpson, and Pauline are solely serving internal circulation at this point until and unless the City were to sell its swath along the DART tracks to a third party.

I'm not trying to correct you, because you're correct. For the sake of informing other readers, though, I think that this context is useful (and for that matter it does call into question if not contradict the implication that Baylor doesn't own enough of this area to do much with it at this point).

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 26 Aug 2018 21:10

I'm beginning to wonder if the Tom Landry property on the north side of Race Street is just going to be used as a construction staging area, with the actual building and parking garage going on the south side.

Dallas Trivia: Race Street is so named because that's where kids took their horses to race each other.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby willyk » 26 Aug 2018 22:05

The new Baylor building is the equivalent of a corporate relocation to DE and East Dallas in terms of the presence of corporate officers, the size of the building and the number of employees. It will lead to demand for additional office space as other companies that want to service BSW follow them there. Look for a couple of new business hotels and strong residential leasing in the neighborhood too. And it’s a boon for DE, as all of the new restaurants will see a nice lunch business that will compliment their already strong evenings.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby I45Tex » 26 Aug 2018 22:40

Thank you for the excellent name fact about Race Street, Hannibal!

I45Tex wrote:That block is 2.5 acres inside the sidewalk easements, of which DallasCAD says BUMC owns the 1.8 acres, contiguous and with no holdouts, that aren't along the DART tracks. Lakewoodhobo and I, and probably Elm St. Motors' owners (who own under a quarter acre, all told) don't consider it particularly pivotal where this project is concerned.


Meant to say that the quarter-acre holdout on Elm isn't making the difference.

But it's really striking how much of the land between Elm and Swiss Ave., about .6 mile apart, is just car storage. Per willyk's comment, I wonder at what point in land redevelopment value it would start to make sense for BUMC (given that they have maps of where their staff commutes from) to establish massive remote park&ride facilities in a few suburbs. When Apple and Uber and so on (Walmart is already doing a pilot program with Alphabet's Waymo to autonomously drive customers to its stores to pick up their online orders if they want to) make shuttle buses unnecessary, BUMC's neighborhood could redevelop into something unimaginable today, anyway.

By the way, most probably knew this, but the low-rise 1987 building between Landry Park and N. Washington at the corner of Race just got heavily renovated last year. It is owned by Baylor U. in Waco and called the LHSON Building (Louise Herrington School of Nursing).

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 27 Aug 2018 08:21

Doesn't BSW have a huge admin office downtown? I wonder if this is a replacement.

Still have no idea why they want to remove the park.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Aug 2018 08:45

Yes but that's the thing it seems they want to consolidate all their admin office in a tower they own near the hospital. Right now Baylor has their own transit bus that makes the trek to Bryan Tower that connects it to their Deep Ellum campus for employees. I imagine they would rather eliminate that need and have the admin directly on campus and since Deep Ellum isn't dead like it used to be and the area is seeing more residential development as well a Deep Ellum HQ is competitive for talent. With that new Tom Thumb nearby and the new A&M campus being built means that they are confident this makes them competitive for retaining and attracting new talent.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 27 Aug 2018 09:09

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Yes but that's the thing it seems they want to consolidate all their admin office in a tower they own near the hospital. Right now Baylor has their own transit bus that makes the trek to Bryan Tower that connects it to their Deep Ellum campus for employees. I imagine they would rather eliminate that need and have the admin directly on campus and since Deep Ellum isn't dead like it used to be and the area is seeing more residential development as well a Deep Ellum HQ is competitive for talent. With that new Tom Thumb nearby and the new A&M campus being built means that they are confident this makes them competitive for retaining and attracting new talent.


Hopefully the bus will stay and be reconfigured to shuttle employees around the campus area and Deep Ellum. It would be a nice daytime boost to the restaurants there.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 27 Aug 2018 12:00

Matt777 wrote:Hopefully the bus will stay and be reconfigured to shuttle employees around the campus area and Deep Ellum. It would be a nice daytime boost to the restaurants there.


They do have an intra-campus shuttle. It used to have a stop in Deep Ellum, but dropped it when they closed that office (it's now the charter school).

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 27 Aug 2018 12:06

I45Tex wrote:By the way, most probably knew this, but the low-rise 1987 building between Landry Park and N. Washington at the corner of Race just got heavily renovated last year. It is owned by Baylor U. in Waco and called the LHSON Building (Louise Herrington School of Nursing).


Baylor bought it from the Baptist General Convention a couple years ago. It looks like they're about to lose their backyard. :)

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Aug 2018 13:05

Aka this building bought in 2014 and according to google street view there were renderings of the redo of the 1987 building.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/bus ... s-building

Baylor President and Chancellor Ken Starr said in a statement that “the Baptist Building will greatly enhance the ministry of Baylor’s outstanding nursing program, which is at capacity on its current campus, while strengthening our growing partnership with the Baylor Health Care System.”

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 28 Aug 2018 00:13

Wild About Harry's, the quirky little frozen custard and hot dog shop that was a spinoff of the Knox Street original, has closed its outlet at 111 S. Hall St.
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... um-closed/

This doesn't surprise me one bit. I never made it out to their Deep Ellum location, but they weren't open late, and it didn't seem like they made much of an effort to make it known this location existed. It seemed like such a poor attempt at opening a second location, and it didn't help that their original location was much more well known and not too far away.

I feel like Wild About Harry's could have done well in Deep Ellum had they actually made more of an effort, but this neighborhood seems to be doing just fine with or without it.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 28 Aug 2018 11:30

^ There is/was a picture hanging on their wall of their very first customer -- my son.

As DPatel mentioned, their hours sucked. They were never open when we were hungry. But a bigger issue is that their food just wasn't very good. We would walk right past them to get much better ice cream at Bobaddiction. There are a dozen-plus places to get a hamburger in Deep Ellum, and WAH's was easily at the bottom of the ladder. Even my son never ate another hot dog there after his first taste of one from Luscher's. The only thing he liked there was the chicken nuggets -- but it's been at least six months since he had them because of those hours...

It's still sad, though.


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