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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby ContriveDallasite » 11 May 2018 01:42

R1070 wrote:I wish the parking lot at Elm/Main and Malcolm X would be developed. Even if a cool public space.
A year round skate park with half-pipes should be built somewhere in Deep Ellum. That place would be packed and a great spot to people watch and be entertained.


This. Stil surprised there is no pubic skate park here. This part of town would be a perfect fit, would also draw a day-time crowd, think Venice Beach Body Building :D :D

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 11 May 2018 08:43

R1070 wrote:People at work were raving about how Deep Ellum is the hot place in town and that Uptown is cooling down.


Such and easy observation, but I don't think the sentiment is quite accurate to the natural function, disposition of each part of town. Uptown does appear to be cooling down, but that's after overheating for some time. Deep Ellum is heating up after a chilly hibernation.

Uptown will settle down a bit and big crowds wont be as numerous, but the party will carry on; the Deep Ellum history of ups and downs has been tied to the inexpensive warehouse(y) component of the area. The big area with small, slowly increasing population has pieced together a community but as we see today the next decade will bring a dramatic residential increase mitigating future ebb and flow. The physical core of old buildings -- the setting -- is generally protected under single ownership and will grow in popularity eclipsing the heydays before the turn of the century.

There's no guarantee Deep Ellum will not be overwhelmed by a scene that is Uptown buttoned up, stocked by fops and fashion plates simpering in finery, but the whole reason Deep Ellum exists as a destination is because people want a scene that's attended and directed by the hip, groovy, dope, cool, grungy, edgy, tattooed whatever. This is a scene can be just as pretentious as any other with a different look. The two scenes go together but need some space.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 11 May 2018 11:22

R1070 wrote:I wish the parking lot at Elm/Main and Malcolm X would be developed. Even if a cool public space.
A year round skate park with half-pipes should be built somewhere in Deep Ellum. That place would be packed and a great spot to people watch and be entertained.


A skate park would be awesome. I'd also like to see one of these parking lots turned into a food truck plaza.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 11 May 2018 12:04

I've never understood why there's not a competition grade skate park at Fair Park.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby maconahey » 11 May 2018 13:12

R1070 wrote:I wish the parking lot at Elm/Main and Malcolm X would be developed. Even if a cool public space.
A year round skate park with half-pipes should be built somewhere in Deep Ellum. That place would be packed and a great spot to people watch and be entertained.


Not quite Deep Ellum, but it looks like they have a skate park planned for Carpenter Park

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 11 May 2018 13:32

I had always hoped that frog alley could be used as a Skate park.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Cmacemm » 11 May 2018 14:56

The lack of skateparks in Dallas has amazed me since I was a 14 year old (I'm 33 now) little skater. I've always thought Deep Ellum would be the perfect place for one. There used to be a home made one built by skaters tucked away in the area

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 11 May 2018 18:11

There was a temp one set up at Klyde Warren and it was awesome.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 11 May 2018 20:49

Tnexster wrote:
maconahey wrote:Image


Which one is this? Drove by it today and didn't see a sign. Looks residential but don't recall seeing a rendering.


That's the Stillwater project.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 12 May 2018 14:06

^Ah, ok thank you

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 May 2018 08:17

Stillwater_Capital_The_Crosby.jpg
AKA the Crosby
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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby The_Overdog » 14 May 2018 10:24

Skateboarders are one small step above minorities and homeless people when it comes to public input; hence the lack of skateparks.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Cmacemm » 14 May 2018 11:20

The_Overdog wrote:Skateboarders are one small step above minorities and homeless people when it comes to public input; hence the lack of skateparks.

Lol this isn’t 1988

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby muncien » 14 May 2018 11:23

Cmacemm wrote:
The_Overdog wrote:Skateboarders are one small step above minorities and homeless people when it comes to public input; hence the lack of skateparks.

Lol this isn’t 1988


Ha! I was thinking the same thing... I was one of those skaters back in '88. When I look at skaters now, I shake my head at how much it has changed. I almost want to go into one of those... "Back when I was a sk8r...", old people rants.
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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 May 2018 11:26

Have you been to City Hall? They act and live in the 1988 Dallas state of mind so yeah skateboarding is a nuisance of bad behavior and bikes are for tykes.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby exelone31 » 14 May 2018 11:41

If I'm following what everyone is saying correctly, I think I've got the perfect solution...


Dockless skateboards

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby The_Overdog » 14 May 2018 12:56

Have you been to City Hall?

It's actually not city hall. Cities want to build 'programmed' parks and skateparks are easy to program and relatively cheap to maintain. It's public input - ie 'skaters are too narrow a demographic to spend money on and they all do drugs and skateboard on stuff and are all thieves'

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 14 May 2018 20:13

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Stillwater_Capital_The_Crosby.jpg AKA the Crosby


I like the look, hope it comes out as good as the rendering.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby willyk » 15 May 2018 02:59

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Stillwater_Capital_The_Crosby.jpg AKA the Crosby


The brick looks like The Case. Is this the trend for DE? Would be nice to see a distinctive DE style emerge.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 15 May 2018 08:34

The brick warehouse style is what the developers are doing in Deep Ellum yes. Is it too West End like? I am not mad in fact I like the fluid use of brick over EIFS anyway.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby tamtagon » 15 May 2018 09:02

Deep Ellum and West End were both warehouse districts. I like the ones with gigantic windows better, and it'll be a nice contrast to the space-age modern architecture inevitable to join the East Dallas reboot.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby jrd1964 » 23 May 2018 15:34

D is reporting that Vinty has been denied a renewal of their SUP permit. They have few good words to say about the place, either.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... s-no-more/

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 May 2018 08:21

Good based on what I hear things have been getting out of hand with these clubs again. This time though you open and if you can not manage problems then you get shut down when your SUP comes up for renewal. I just hope there are a few more discouragements to clubs like this. I have been to Bottled Blonde as well and I wish DART was starting D2 already and shutting it down.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby mcrdal15 » 24 May 2018 12:19

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Good based on what I hear things have been getting out of hand with these clubs again. This time though you open and if you can not manage problems then you get shut down when your SUP comes up for renewal. I just hope there are a few more discouragements to clubs like this. I have been to Bottled Blonde as well and I wish DART was starting D2 already and shutting it down.


I'm not a fan of Bottled Blonde, but why would it need to be shut down?

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby jrd1964 » 24 May 2018 20:12

mcrdal15 wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Good based on what I hear things have been getting out of hand with these clubs again. This time though you open and if you can not manage problems then you get shut down when your SUP comes up for renewal. I just hope there are a few more discouragements to clubs like this. I have been to Bottled Blonde as well and I wish DART was starting D2 already and shutting it down.


I'm not a fan of Bottled Blonde, but why would it need to be shut down?


I'm guessing he means either it will be a victim of its own atmosphere, or that it will be in the way of the path of D2.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 May 2018 11:53

D2 the dart train tracks go right through it.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby R1070 » 25 May 2018 22:00

Having places like Bottled Blonde are good for tourists, etc.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby mdg109 » 29 May 2018 16:01

A couple of updates on two developments on Main. Hadn't seen this rendering of the Lula B's building.
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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 29 May 2018 16:04

Nice find! I've been dying to see something happen to the Lula B's space, and this looks pretty incredible. Hopefully we see more of the surface lots turn into patios or more walking space for pedestrians.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 29 May 2018 20:20

DPatel304 wrote:Nice find! I've been dying to see something happen to the Lula B's space, and this looks pretty incredible. Hopefully we see more of the surface lots turn into patios or more walking space for pedestrians.


My wish list for the empty lots would be small hotels that fit with the scale and look of Deep Ellum. Allow visitors to naturally experience the neighborhood, then in turn tell their friends back home, and bring more tourism $ to Dallas.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 29 May 2018 21:31

Definitely would be cool to have more hostels or hotels. Preferably more hostels.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby willyk » 29 May 2018 23:15

A few hotels could make DE into a party destination, like the French Quarter. What a great place for a lost weekend.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 30 May 2018 20:20

Deep Ellum should "create" a holiday event along the lines of Mardi Gras. NoLa has Mardis Gras, San Antonio has Fiesta, we should take some random historical event and turn it into an excuse to drink and party.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 30 May 2018 20:27

Matt777 wrote:Deep Ellum should "create" a holiday event along the lines of Mardi Gras. NoLa has Mardis Gras, San Antonio has Fiesta, we should take some random historical event and turn it into an excuse to drink and party.


Can we just steal the St Patty's Day parade from Greenville? It's just way too big of an event for Greenville Ave, and it could be a much better party in Deep Ellum without annoying any nearby residential.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 30 May 2018 21:01

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 30 May 2018 21:04

Matt777 wrote:NoLa has Mardis Gras, San Antonio has Fiesta, we should take some random historical event and turn it into an excuse to drink and party.


Those events are uniquely tied to New Orleans and San Antonio for good reason. Dallas used to have a similar celebration that, if it had continued, would probably be as big as Fiesta is in San Antonio today. It was called the Kaliphs Ball and it was tied to the State Fair of Texas.

In 1899 Charles Mangold proposed a gala civic event that was launched with much enthusiasm. Known as the Grand Order of the Kaliphs, it staged a series of entertainments for several seasons during the annual State Fair of Texas. These included a grand ball, with the crowning of the festive queen, and an elaborate, nighttime parade of illumi­nated floats. One of its first Kaliphs was E. H. R. Green. “The Kaliphs made Dallas the most talked-of city in the South last fall,” according to Hugh Nugent Fitzgerald, Dallas newspaperman.

https://dallasgateway.com/mangold-leave ... rs-legend/


Of course, assuming Kaliph is an alternate spelling of Caliph, today it might be seen as cultural appropriation or worse.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 30 May 2018 21:10

Another event idea could be TX/OU weekend? Honestly, I wish they would change the State Fair so it didn't coincide with the game, and just turn Fair Park and Deep Ellum into one big tailgating party and also keep the party going after the game.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 30 May 2018 21:10

DPatel304 wrote:
Matt777 wrote:Deep Ellum should "create" a holiday event along the lines of Mardi Gras. NoLa has Mardis Gras, San Antonio has Fiesta, we should take some random historical event and turn it into an excuse to drink and party.


Can we just steal the St Patty's Day parade from Greenville? It's just way too big of an event for Greenville Ave, and it could be a much better party in Deep Ellum without annoying any nearby residential.


Maybe they can just connect the State Fair activities into DE, I mean we already have a three week attraction adjacent to DE that could be marketed as a reason to expand your trip to the fair to include exploring this area of the city, especially if we had more hotels in DE (as mentioned earlier on here). I do like the Charles Mangold idea.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 30 May 2018 21:49

I meant more of something that would draw tourists from around the country. TX/OU weekend, St. Patrick's Day, and the state fair don't do that. Maybe some festival related to Bonny and Clyde, the frozen margarita (invented in Dallas), Deep Ellum music/jazz/blues, etc.... Although running it around the same time as the State Fair would be a good idea to cross market to tourists.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 31 May 2018 08:27

Ya'll, make it sound like the bars don't already open their arms to TX/OU fans after the game with banners, posters and beer promotions with orange and maroon marketing materials. I assume what you mean is the Deep Ellum Association should block off streets for a big street fair type of experience to capture those fans in DE. Even though when OU loses they tend to head home right after the game. If TX wins they stick around and party. If you are gonna capture the crowd it would have to be the day/night before the game.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby willyk » 01 Jun 2018 00:56

Something that combined jazz, ZZ Top, barbecue, Mexican food, chicken fried steak, tacos, corny dogs, art, football, cheerleaders, margaritas, beer, whiskey and parades would be good.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby jrd1964 » 01 Jun 2018 07:58

willyk wrote:Something that combined jazz, ZZ Top, barbecue, Mexican food, chicken fried steak, tacos, corny dogs, art, football, cheerleaders, margaritas, beer, whiskey and parades would be good.


Wow, that's quite a list in the same mixing bowl. I don't know of any one event here, besides the State Fair, where you can/could get all of those.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 01 Jun 2018 11:04

Not to go too far off-topic, but with all these large property acquisitions in the news (Dunhill, Dell, Hoque Global, Todd Interests) I'm surprised nobody has tried to purchase a majority of Expo Park and turn it into a single-ownership branded district with enough capital to anchor the entire thing with a hotel.

I know Madison Partners owns property there and they were leading the HQ2 pitch for Expo Park, but something along the lines of what 42 Deep Ellum accomplished would be a game-changer. The hotel is just a no-brainer that would be booked solid during the fair, of course, but would survive the rest of the year on the popularity of Deep Ellum. Make it Art Deco with a pool deck that overlooks the Esplanade and this becomes the exclusive VIP box seat to the fair that rich people wish they had.

Consolidated ownership would make it easier to put together the events we're discussing, like closing Exposition Ave for a street festival during the fair, or Jazz Fest, or whatever other party they want to throw.

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 04 Jun 2018 16:02

Photographer David Gibson owns a good-sized hunk of Exposition Park.

Unfortunately his website no longer shows all his properties: https://www.thegibsonco.com/

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby kingpin » 10 Jun 2018 21:29

I believe this is The Croaby

ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby jrd1964 » 12 Jun 2018 23:25

The Mavs' building off of Malcolm X just got a quick coat of new deep-blue (team color) paint. If they are moving to the ex-Levitz across from the AAC in the Design District, I wonder why they decided to paint their up-to-now Deep Ellum spot? I guess they're not completely leaving DE after all?

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 13 Jun 2018 01:29

jrd1964 wrote:The Mavs' building off of Malcolm X just got a quick coat of new deep-blue (team color) paint. If they are moving to the ex-Levitz across from the AAC in the Design District, I wonder why they decided to paint their up-to-now Deep Ellum spot? I guess they're not completely leaving DE after all?


Weren't they using this building for some type of e-sports facility?


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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby willyk » 20 Jun 2018 03:56

I must have missed this earlier. The concept doesn’t sound as ominous as the headline implies. 2600 Main St. has been empty, nearly derelict, forever. Now we get some bowling lanes and punch bowl cocktails. Another hang out for the Bottled Blonde crowd, but it all adds to the critical mass for DE.

A 'Proven Millennial Magnet' Is Coming to Ruin Deep Ellum

Denver’s Punch Bowl Social will bring its brand of “eat-ertainment” to Dallas next year

https://dallas.eater.com/2017/12/8/1675 ... ummer-2018

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Re: Deep Ellum 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Jun 2018 08:08

That building has been collapsing on itself for a long time at the entrance of Deep Ellum from the CBD. Even if the place loses favor and closes at some point it will have a solid roof and reinforced walls for the next occupant which I will be thankful for.


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