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Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby dzh » 13 Oct 2019 22:21

Found a brochure for Two Arts Plaza on the Billingsley website. I'm inclined to believe that it's a relatively recent plan seeing that Playwright Pub is included in the brochure (and that bar didn't open until earlier this year). It's definitely about time that they got something rolling over here. They have more land than the Epic Development, so in my opinion they really should be trying to fit a development like that back there. I think some luxury apartment towers with good retail, and a cohesive walking plan would be very successful here. Would also help add more activity to the Arts District.

http://billingsleyco.com/wp-content/upl ... 9-7.19.pdf

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 13 Oct 2019 23:11

12 - stories? They waited all this time to develop this? I thought they had plans of grandeur

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby dzh » 14 Oct 2019 07:14

Yea I don't think Billingsley really knows how to create more than an office park unfortunately. They need to hire a good urban architect and create an actual master plan.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby Tnexster » 14 Oct 2019 08:57

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:12 - stories? They waited all this time to develop this? I thought they had plans of grandeur


Not, this design is an improvement over the last one but it still fails. This might be okay if it were about 30 floors, included a hotel and a large mixed use design incorporated around the base or at least facing Pearl. And the parking needs to be sunk below grade.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby muncien » 14 Oct 2019 10:30

I've always felt that corner of the CBD was pretty limited due to the massive freeway interchange that pretty much isolates any activity from the North or East. If ever there were to place a campus style office building in the CBD, this is probably it... not that I like it. But, I agree with the attitude that such isolation and minimal street interaction does allow for something with greater height. They certainly missed with that regard. Perhaps they are just done sitting on this property... who knows.
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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Oct 2019 10:38

Billingsley is focused on North Lake anyway. This is just a refresh just in case someone shows up needing a place to land. Billingsley lost focus on Downtown when 7ELeven wanted to move to the burbs.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby Kelley USA » 14 Oct 2019 11:13

It doesn't make much sense for Billingsley to invest much time in Two Arts... They have their hands full with Cypress Waters! Plus they're getting ready to start another huge mixed-use project in Fairview. I mean they're crushing it at Cypress Waters. The number of companies that they've been able to attract along with the apartments and retail is staggering.

But with that being said the above link for Two Arts was updated back in July, so it is fairly new. I also don't actually hate the design if I'm being honest. I've seen much worse!

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby eburress » 14 Oct 2019 12:07

Though it could be taller, like others have said, I do like the building's design.
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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby R1070 » 14 Oct 2019 12:36

I like it. I think Three Arts Plaza is supposed to be the tallest plot of the development.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Oct 2019 13:08

If three arts ever moves past the concept boards. At this point they haven't been able to get Two Arts off the ground they may never even propose Three Arts and sell off the land or as part of the sale of the entire project.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby dzh » 14 Oct 2019 13:32

cowboyeagle05 wrote:If three arts ever moves past the concept boards. At this point they haven't been able to get Two Arts off the ground they may never even propose Three Arts and sell off the land or as part of the sale of the entire project.



I wish Billingsley would just sell if she doesn't intend to build anytime soon. The reality is that she's sitting on a prime piece of land and doing nothing. Yes the land backs up to the highway, but there's also a lot of it and it's very close to the Arts District.

At the very least, I wish she would look into joint venture projects with developers that have good track records for urban projects. A KDC-Billingsley collab would be fantastic here.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Oct 2019 14:09

She tried to sell it when she started Cypress Waters I believe but no one wanted to pay what she wanted so it made sense to hold on to it and hope another big name swings into town that wants an urban locale.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby BigD5349 » 14 Oct 2019 19:06

It's really a shame how Billingsley has boxed in the Dallas Black Dance Theatre even further; first she cut it off from the rest of the district by a massive (and frankly ugly) cinder block building, and now it's wedged behind parking lots and parking garages.

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Re: Two Arts Plaza -Billlingsley

Postby tamtagon » 14 Oct 2019 19:51

At one point, Crow/Billingsley was going to give this land for the Museum of Nature and Science.


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