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Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby wbarch » 23 Dec 2018 08:44

Hoque Global presented designs for their pilgrims pride site along Hickory between Good-Latimer and Cesar Chavez to the Cedars neighborhood association on Thursday.
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Re: Hogue Global Cedars- So Good

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Dec 2018 09:02

Looks pretty good but whats the potential for this project to move forward? Is it dependent on name office tenant to start or is it driven mainly by residential demand?

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Re: Hogue Global Cedars- So Good

Postby tamtagon » 23 Dec 2018 09:44

Cedars-South Dallas is becoming the next big thing, grand-scale gentrification (hopefully managed appropriately...) as the residential cornucopia between the renewing big-city downtown and the big-city urban park-arcade fills up with all the goodies. When this swath turns over, Dallas will have found itself on the list of global cities worth checking out. I'm just saying.

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Re: Hogue Global Cedars- So Good

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 23 Dec 2018 18:17

tamtagon wrote:Cedars-South Dallas is becoming the next big thing, grand-scale gentrification (hopefully managed appropriately...) as the residential cornucopia between the renewing big-city downtown and the big-city urban park-arcade fills up with all the goodies. When this swath turns over, Dallas will have found itself on the list of global cities worth checking out. I'm just saying.


World cities are Walkable and Transit friendly. Start by fixing the transit issue and then we can start dreaming like that.

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Re: Hogue Global Cedars- So Good

Postby Matt777 » 23 Dec 2018 18:34

Are they calling this "So Good" as in South Good Latimer, or did the original poster just think this was really good?

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Re: Hogue Global Cedars- So Good

Postby itsjrd1964 » 23 Dec 2018 22:14

I wondered what was going on with the site. I saw it the other day on the bus. It's still the same, with rented barrier fence around it. Good that something is progressing, even though there's quite a demolition job ahead of whoever gets to clear the site.

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Re: Hogue Global Cedars- So Good

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Dec 2018 00:08

Are we sure this isn't this Hoque Global?
http://hoqueglobal.com/

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby wbarch » 24 Dec 2018 07:09

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Looks pretty good but whats the potential for this project to move forward? Is it dependent on name office tenant to start or is it driven mainly by residential demand?


They said breaking ground mid ‘19
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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby wbarch » 24 Dec 2018 07:19

Matt777 wrote:Are they calling this "So Good" as in South Good Latimer, or did the original poster just think this was really good?


Yes, that’s what they are calling it. You can see a neon gateway sign in one of the renderings. It’s mixed use with some rehab, a park on an old rail spur, looks like a pedestrian connection back to farmers market area on an exiting (now closed) bridge, townhomes, apartments, restaurant and retail space as well as a hotel. The exciting things to me are that it’s not all “luxury” housing, would establish G-L as a major access point to The Cedars from Deep Ellum / downtown, and would bookend the neighborhood on the East like Lamar on the West.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby wbarch » 24 Dec 2018 07:28

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Are we sure this isn't this Hoque Global?
http://hoqueglobal.com/

I fixed the spelling - thanks

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby joshua.dodd » 24 Dec 2018 15:27

I see they're utilizing the abandoned railroad spur for a post industrial aesthetic.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Dec 2018 16:39

Hogue Global also claimed they would break ground on the giant Smart District with or without Amazon and we have yet to see any sign of that moving forward so I do hope this one has a better chance of getting off the ground. The scale of this development is certainly more doable at the moment and would contribute positively to their Smart District plans.

What is the likelihood of that Pedestrian bridge being reopened though? It was closed a long time ago I assume due it a lack of maintenance and no one complained. Will Hogue Global be able to convince TXDOT to reopen it?

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby itsjrd1964 » 25 Dec 2018 03:03

cowboyeagle05 wrote:What is the likelihood of that Pedestrian bridge being reopened though? It was closed a long time ago I assume due it a lack of maintenance and no one complained. Will Hoque Global be able to convince TXDOT to reopen it?


Depends on what TxDOT's plans are to redo I-30 through there. The last online proposal I saw was that the pedestrian bridge and RR bridge would go and that the Cesar Chavez exit and bridge would be redone. If there were going to be a deck park above I-30 there, I could see keeping the unused bridges as part of the park support.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby willyk » 26 Dec 2018 05:44

Are any notable buildings being rehabbed, like they are doing in the East Quarter?

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Postby I45Tex » 26 Dec 2018 16:00

Among the headliner triad of HQ2 Supersite, East Quarter, and So.Good, this will be the best bridge to the outlying residential city (assuming Deep Ellum will never really form a mature living environment for most uses, or try to) beyond the CBD loop. I like forumer wbarch's idea that this N-S corridor on South Good-Latimer will bookend the neighborhood like South Lamar; however, it's worth pointing out that a walk from GoodWork to, say, Texas Central Railway's offices on Lamar takes over twenty minutes, meaning that the neighborhood will need some East-West legibility to form a procession between the far-flung bookends.

That's the challenge. The payoff, though, is that once this link is in place, the Cedars' pedestrian spine West-to-East will be the place where Trinity river parks connect over to Fair Park, to form a complete loop with Samuell-Grand, White Rock Lake, and the Katy Trail.

Atlanta's much-hyped and gentrifying BeltLine is too far from the Chattahoochee River to have much of that element, but we'll at least add in water what we sometimes lack in trees and terrain.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby exelone31 » 27 Dec 2018 11:01

This development looks cool, I hope the "So Good" name doesn't stick, as it is "So Lame" IMHO.

I really like that there is this front line of development that is happening in the Cedars bordering I-30. It'll be interesting if there ends up being a deck park, as that could send things into hyperdrive.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby tamtagon » 27 Dec 2018 11:50

exelone31 wrote:This development looks cool, I hope the "So Good" name doesn't stick, as it is "So Lame" IMHO.


:lol:

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 27 Dec 2018 15:13

So Good is tolerable. Lame, but tolerable.

East Cedars would've been better.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby NdoorTX » 27 Dec 2018 15:22

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:East Cedars would've been better.


Much better option...

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Dec 2018 16:25

Well, Lower Oak Lawn (LOL) didn't last so there is hope that all things picked by marketing team don't necessarily last.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby dallaz » 01 Feb 2019 08:31

Developer hopes mixed-use project south of downtown Dallas will be SoGood for the area


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ogood-area

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby lakewoodhobo » 01 Feb 2019 09:18

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Well, Lower Oak Lawn (LOL) didn't last so there is hope that all things picked by marketing team don't necessarily last.


And let's not forget the gem that was SoYoung, which didn't even make it past the demo phase for Butler Brothers.

If they insist on copying the SoHo format, wouldn't it be SoGo for South of Good-Latimer or SoDo for South of Downtown?

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 01 Feb 2019 12:27

Just call it East Cedars. How unoriginal to use So- as a prefix...

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby DBadger » 04 Feb 2019 16:34

Or "Good District"

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Postby itsjrd1964 » 11 Mar 2019 19:52

Brief article about Hoque in D Magazine:
https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/ ... own-dallas

Interview with Hoque by Lee Cullum on KERA's "CEO":
https://video.kera.org/video/mike-hoque ... al-1jvfc8/

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby wbarch » 04 Jan 2020 09:33

This is still progressing. zoning change to the PD was approved in the fall as mentioned in this article.

https://dallasinnovates.com/catalyst-si ... he-region/

More recently, though, Hoque obtained zoning approvals for his site in the Cedars, which includes a derelict Pilgrim’s Pride plant. He named the project SoGood @ Cedars, in a nod to South Dallas and Good-Latimer, where the property exists. Designed by Hoque Global and Plano-based multifamily architecture firm Domus Studio Group, initial plans include 260 units and 50,000 square feet of retail, which will add much-needed apartments and residents to the already bustling daytime crowd and be a driver for continued growth in downtown Dallas.
Hoque says assembling the many individual tracts and parcels for development was no small feat. “For four years, I spent every waking hour on this mission,” he says. “I was like a mad man, going after all of these little pieces of property, one at a time. It was all-consuming.”

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Postby Jbarn » 04 Jan 2020 18:35

wbarch wrote:This is still progressing. zoning change to the PD was approved in the fall as mentioned in this article.

https://dallasinnovates.com/catalyst-si ... he-region/

More recently, though, Hoque obtained zoning approvals for his site in the Cedars, which includes a derelict Pilgrim’s Pride plant. He named the project SoGood @ Cedars, in a nod to South Dallas and Good-Latimer, where the property exists. Designed by Hoque Global and Plano-based multifamily architecture firm Domus Studio Group, initial plans include 260 units and 50,000 square feet of retail, which will add much-needed apartments and residents to the already bustling daytime crowd and be a driver for continued growth in downtown Dallas.
Hoque says assembling the many individual tracts and parcels for development was no small feat. “For four years, I spent every waking hour on this mission,” he says. “I was like a mad man, going after all of these little pieces of property, one at a time. It was all-consuming.”


“add apartments and residents to the already bustling daytime crowd”? I don’t think the word “bustling” can be used for any part of Dallas, especially the Cedars.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby itsjrd1964 » 05 Jan 2020 19:03

Sounds like either someone in Hoque's firm or someone at DallasInnovates might have had a bit more of the kool-aid than the rest of us (maybe?)...

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 18 Feb 2020 10:32

The first piece of the SoGood District goes to City Plan Commission this week. "Corsair at SoGood" will be a multifamily building at the north corner of Cesar Chavez and Corinth.

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Postby itsjrd1964 » 19 Feb 2020 01:30

lakewoodhobo wrote:The first piece of the SoGood District goes to City Plan Commission this week. "Corsair at SoGood" will be a multifamily building at the north corner of Cesar Chavez and Corinth.

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WTH kind of name is "Corsair at SoGood"? I guarantee that complex will get a renaming when it is ever sold.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 19 Feb 2020 12:20

For those who think "SoGood" is a silly name, Westdale now has a banner at the corner of Good-Latimer and Elm for "Good E".

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby Tnexster » 19 Feb 2020 17:53

That's fairly far south, be curious to see if they get any followers.

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Feb 2020 10:05

Corsair is the name coming from a particular management company. Just like Trammel Crow calls everything they build the Alexan or Trinic does Aura on/at ______. I am not saying it's a good name just tells you what price range and level of property it will be if they are using that name. It looks like the company that will manage it will be a newcomer to the Dallas market named Bozzuto.

I hope Hogue is still cleaning up all the land he operates cause it seems like it would be a hard sell if he still has a pilgrim pride factory sitting around. Build next to an empty field of developable land and you can convince renters more is coming and that they are in an upcoming neighborhood.

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Postby Tnexster » 20 Feb 2020 10:45

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Corsair is the name coming from a particular management company. Just like Trammel Crow calls everything they build the Alexan or Trinic does Aura on/at ______. I am not saying it's a good name just tells you what price range and level of property it will be if they are using that name. It looks like the company that will manage it will be a newcomer to the Dallas market named Bozzuto.

I hope Hogue is still cleaning up all the land he operates cause it seems like it would be a hard sell if he still has a pilgrim pride factory sitting around. Build next to an empty field of developable land and you can convince renters more is coming and that they are in an upcoming neighborhood.


Isn't Pilgrim closed?

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Re: Hoque Global Cedars- So Good

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Feb 2020 15:14

Yes but I am unaware as to how much of the factory is still around. Has the site been completely cleaned yet?


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