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De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

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De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby whit5125 » 12 Sep 2018 10:52

Since the Xerox Campus proposal from Trammel Crow is so much different than the dense urban project of De La Vega and are two projects right next to each other yet on the same thread, I created a new thread to discuss this development and not the utter POS suburban garbage TC wants to build next to this.

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Some background info. FAA Height Request

Work Schedule: 08/13/2018 to 02/10/2020

Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: Point 3


Proposed
Site Elevation: 517
Structure Height:560
Total Height (AMSL):1077


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 75&row=136
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 73&row=137



Work Schedule: 08/13/2018 to 02/10/2020

Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: Point 4

Proposed
Site Elevation: 517
Structure Height:572
Total Height (AMSL):1089


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 58&row=145

Recent Site pic posted on Xerox Campus Development Thread....

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Apparently planned to start in 2019.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby tamtagon » 12 Sep 2018 11:06

^Thanks. I'll try to move relevant posts from the other thread to this one, too.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby DPatel304 » 12 Sep 2018 11:44

Thanks! I actually had not realize these were two separate developments (clearly I wasn't following either development that closely).

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Sep 2018 11:52

Still highly skeptical about this. We've seen these signs promising things that never materlaize before.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tnexster » 12 Sep 2018 11:58

DPatel304 wrote:Thanks! I actually had not realize these were two separate developments (clearly I wasn't following either development that closely).


Same here, was surprised to see the new Crow project pop up. So we will have a textbook example of good and bad projects sitting right next to each other. I can see it now, a fast food drive through literally next to a 40 story tower.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby R1070 » 12 Sep 2018 21:16

Tnexster wrote:
DPatel304 wrote:Thanks! I actually had not realize these were two separate developments (clearly I wasn't following either development that closely).


Same here, was surprised to see the new Crow project pop up. So we will have a textbook example of good and bad projects sitting right next to each other. I can see it now, a fast food drive through literally next to a 40 story tower.


I feel like I just moved to Houston. :shock:

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tnexster » 12 Sep 2018 21:46

I was going to say that but held back...lol

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Warrior2015 » 12 Sep 2018 22:50

Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Sep 2018 23:42

Warrior2015 wrote:Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol


This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Warrior2015 » 13 Sep 2018 09:15

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Warrior2015 wrote:Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol


This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.

Have you been to inner loop Houston ?

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Sep 2018 10:48

I recommend we end this Houston vs Dallas thing here right now. It always goes nowhere.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 13 Sep 2018 10:49

Warrior2015 wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Warrior2015 wrote:Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol


This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.

Have you been to inner loop Houston ?


My spouse's family is from Houston. So yeah, Prolly more than most. Both cities are not walkable and not very urban is my point.

Not that I care; just sayin.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Warrior2015 » 13 Sep 2018 12:12

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Warrior2015 wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.

Have you been to inner loop Houston ?


My spouse's family is from Houston. So yeah, Prolly more than most. Both cities are not walkable and not very urban is my point.

Not that I care; just sayin.

Yeah I just feel we have better projects u/c in the core but anyways back to the original thread

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby mcrdal15 » 13 Sep 2018 15:38

Downtown Houston does feel a little more "filled in" than Downtown Dallas, but actually ranks lower in terms of walkable amenities. "Filled in" could mean a bunch of fortress skyscrapers or bland parking garages in the case of DT Houston. Regardless, both downtowns are more similar to each other than different. Now when you pull in areas like Uptown, Deep Ellum, Jefferson Blvd in Oak Cliff, Knox St and try to compare them to Houston equivalents, Dallas definitely comes out ahead in pedestrian friendliness.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 13 Sep 2018 16:41

Not sure if this is for DLV or sorry ass TC ....
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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Warrior2015 » 13 Sep 2018 16:52

mcrdal15 wrote:Downtown Houston does feel a little more "filled in" than Downtown Dallas, but actually ranks lower in terms of walkable amenities. "Filled in" could mean a bunch of fortress skyscrapers or bland parking garages in the case of DT Houston. Regardless, both downtowns are more similar to each other than different. Now when you pull in areas like Uptown, Deep Ellum, Jefferson Blvd in Oak Cliff, Knox St and try to compare them to Houston equivalents, Dallas definitely comes out ahead in pedestrian friendliness.

Yeah exactly that was my point

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Sep 2018 08:17

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Not sure if this is for DLV or sorry ass TC ....


Well according to the map the TC property is outside of those boundaries. The De La Vega property is right on the corner in the shaded area.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Roman_Patrick » 18 Oct 2018 13:48

Image6qWa9c+pQk2s7LybMUy8dA by Roman Reyna, on Flickr

saw this over the weekend. VERY interesting! any updates?


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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Oct 2018 22:31

It's the usual. They throw up some signs and if they are lucky enough they will sign the tenants they need to get the construction loan. Firewheel Mall had signs up for decades announcing a mall that changed from a traditional indoor mall to an outdoor mall but eventually did get built. The number of Turtle Creek Condo developments that make it on a sign but never beyond that stage is the areas life story. Good to see they are publicly announcing the project though. Call me when core samples are being drilled.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby Tucy » 21 Oct 2018 10:52

cowboyeagle05 wrote:It's the usual. They throw up some signs and if they are lucky enough they will sign the tenants they need to get the construction loan. Firewheel Mall had signs up for decades announcing a mall that changed from a traditional indoor mall to an outdoor mall but eventually did get built. The number of Turtle Creek Condo developments that make it on a sign but never beyond that stage is the areas life story. Good to see they are publicly announcing the project though. Call me when core samples are being drilled.


All true. And even more concerning... from their website, it appears this developer has no experience with developments of this type.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 22 Oct 2018 08:59

Trammel Crow who owns the surrounding land has experience building denser urban developments and they want to build suburban crap around this site and this developer has no experience in projects of this scale is going for the big time. I am cheering for Del La Vega on this one.

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Re: De La Vega Development: Haskell & US 75

Postby ContriveDallasite » 22 Oct 2018 10:08

Tangent: Does anyone know if the City Place outparcels are still planned as residential?

This pocket is really ripe for some redevelopment being wedged between uptown and Deep Ellum-Baylor to the south.


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