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Downtown Dallas: The Drever

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Jan 2018 08:17

I just had an out of town visitor comment on how much better he likes the Dallas skyline. He was doing the dreaded Houston comparison because their skyline is so dark yet the same size as ours. Anyways I await the LED pinstripes return.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby dallaz » 12 Jan 2018 08:53

Video from a newscast in the early 2000s, showing the Drever illuminated.

https://youtu.be/C8bnLULZAPA

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Jan 2018 09:12

cowboyeagle05 wrote:I just had an out of town visitor comment on how much better he likes the Dallas skyline. He was doing the dreaded Houston comparison because their skyline is so dark yet the same size as ours. Anyways I await the LED pinstripes return.


Are they the same size?... Houston's taller but not as long as Dallas' skyline.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby tamtagon » 12 Jan 2018 11:39

LED is great and all, but projection is the future.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Jan 2018 12:11

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:I just had an out of town visitor comment on how much better he likes the Dallas skyline. He was doing the dreaded Houston comparison because their skyline is so dark yet the same size as ours. Anyways I await the LED pinstripes return.


Are they the same size?... Houston's taller but not as long as Dallas' skyline.


He didn't know the exact just sees them as similarly sized and I would agree considering the point is Houston he felt was missing out on some potential energy and visual interest from a lack of lighting. Keep mind no one is saying every LED contribution to the skyline is an Oscar-winning performance but overall some people like the energy projected by the new lighting to our skyline.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Jan 2018 12:54

tamtagon wrote:LED is great and all, but projection is the future.

Examples?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby tamtagon » 12 Jan 2018 13:27

Aurora in the Arts District is the perfect example for what I have in mind... I think it's every other year but may be every year since it's so popular

https://www.dallasaurora.com/

The Conv Ctr hotel is quaint with the light show capabilities it has now, but imagine projections for special events and whatever.... I would LOVE to see what could be done with Fountain Place. This building too.

I think this kinda stuff is already popular in Europe, maybe.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Jan 2018 13:49

tamtagon wrote:Aurora in the Arts District is the perfect example for what I have in mind... I think it's every other year but may be every year since it's so popular

https://www.dallasaurora.com/

The Conv Ctr hotel is quaint with the light show capabilities it has now, but imagine projections for special events and whatever.... I would LOVE to see what could be done with Fountain Place. This building too.

I think this kinda stuff is already popular in Europe, maybe.


Oh ok, I know what you mean. Dallas could use a lil more Shanghai-esque lighting. I like it!

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby dallaz » 12 Jan 2018 14:14

tamtagon wrote:Aurora in the Arts District is the perfect example for what I have in mind... I think it's every other year but may be every year since it's so popular

https://www.dallasaurora.com/

The Conv Ctr hotel is quaint with the light show capabilities it has now, but imagine projections for special events and whatever.... I would LOVE to see what could be done with Fountain Place. This building too.

I think this kinda stuff is already popular in Europe, maybe.

Oh, that’s very cool. Would this be permanent or just for special occasions?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Austin55 » 24 Jan 2018 16:37

Had this been posted yet

https://merriman-maa.com/work-posts/akard-station/

Conversion of an existing 200,000-square-foot building into an urban retail mall
Connects to the adjacent 1401 Elm mixed-use project
Also includes a 250-room hotel that will be built on top of the existing building


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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby DPatel304 » 24 Jan 2018 17:08

So this is actually across the street from 1401 Elm and when they say it 'connects' they are referring to that skybridge?

This is the first I'm hearing of this, but awesome if this and 1401 Elm are both completed. This is exactly what more DART stations should look like.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Jasimm » 24 Jan 2018 18:47

Austin55 wrote:Had this been posted yet

https://merriman-maa.com/work-posts/akard-station/

Conversion of an existing 200,000-square-foot building into an urban retail mall
Connects to the adjacent 1401 Elm mixed-use project
Also includes a 250-room hotel that will be built on top of the existing building


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Looks Great! I am excited to see some new renderings. Interesting that they have Macy's as the tenant, usually it is a fake tenant name until someone commits to a contract.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Redblock » 24 Jan 2018 20:12

If I understand this rendering correctly, this add-on developement is the DART headquarters building with structural steel added outside of and through the existing building to support two six floor towers on top.

There have been rumors for several years that DART wants to move to a smaller building, but I have not heard anything lately. Is a DART move back on the front burner?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Matt777 » 24 Jan 2018 20:49

Wow, a new Macy's downtown? And a mall? That would be amazing. I'd rather see a Dillard's or Nordstrom or even Target but I'll take an urban Macy's!

But.... pretty sure these are just pipe dream concepts renderings.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Jan 2018 12:46

This is the now dead project by former owners of the Drever. They wanted to build the Downtown shopping mall and the space of 1401 Elm was not enough to make a big enough draw so they proposed to buy DARTs HQ and redevelop it as a bigger retail project. It never made it off the drawing boards though. The DART board supposedly considered the offer but I am not sure why it fizzled. DART still wants to move but they haven't really made any serious plans. Developers are chomping at the bit to get the DART HQ last I heard. Not for retail but more residential.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby lakewoodhobo » 25 Jan 2018 13:45

cowboyeagle05 wrote:This is the now dead project by former owners of the Drever. They wanted to build the Downtown shopping mall and the space of 1401 Elm was not enough to make a big enough draw so they proposed to buy DARTs HQ and redevelop it as a bigger retail project. It never made it off the drawing boards though. The DART board supposedly considered the offer but I am not sure why it fizzled. DART still wants to move but they haven't really made any serious plans. Developers are chomping at the bit to get the DART HQ last I heard. Not for retail but more residential.


DART HQ should just move to Mockingbird Station. Maybe the New Orleans developer who worked on The Mayflower can turn 1401 Pacific into the next downtown residential address.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 26 Jan 2018 09:35

lakewoodhobo wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:This is the now dead project by former owners of the Drever. They wanted to build the Downtown shopping mall and the space of 1401 Elm was not enough to make a big enough draw so they proposed to buy DARTs HQ and redevelop it as a bigger retail project. It never made it off the drawing boards though. The DART board supposedly considered the offer but I am not sure why it fizzled. DART still wants to move but they haven't really made any serious plans. Developers are chomping at the bit to get the DART HQ last I heard. Not for retail but more residential.


DART HQ should just move to Mockingbird Station. Maybe the New Orleans developer who worked on The Mayflower can turn 1401 Pacific into the next downtown residential address.


You mean The Drever already under construction aka 1401 Elm to be retail, residential and a hotel.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby lakewoodhobo » 26 Jan 2018 13:05

cowboyeagle05 wrote:
lakewoodhobo wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:This is the now dead project by former owners of the Drever. They wanted to build the Downtown shopping mall and the space of 1401 Elm was not enough to make a big enough draw so they proposed to buy DARTs HQ and redevelop it as a bigger retail project. It never made it off the drawing boards though. The DART board supposedly considered the offer but I am not sure why it fizzled. DART still wants to move but they haven't really made any serious plans. Developers are chomping at the bit to get the DART HQ last I heard. Not for retail but more residential.


DART HQ should just move to Mockingbird Station. Maybe the New Orleans developer who worked on The Mayflower can turn 1401 Pacific into the next downtown residential address.


You mean The Drever already under construction aka 1401 Elm to be retail, residential and a hotel.


No, I mean 1401 Pacific (DART HQ) should become residential + retail after The Drever is done.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Jasimm » 26 Jan 2018 15:26

Cleaned marble is being put back on ! Looks like new !
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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby dallaz » 26 Jan 2018 15:28

^^^I thought it would take a year for them to get the marble back.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Tnexster » 26 Jan 2018 19:09

dallaz wrote:^^^I thought it would take a year for them to get the marble back.


That's what I thought too but maybe it was just a year to completion. Who wrote the story?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Jasimm » 26 Jan 2018 22:04

Tnexster wrote:
dallaz wrote:^^^I thought it would take a year for them to get the marble back.


That's what I thought too but maybe it was just a year to completion. Who wrote the story?


It wasn't a story, just a post from The Drever Instagram account.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby eburress » 27 Jan 2018 11:49

Jasimm wrote:Cleaned marble is being put back on ! Looks like new ! Screen Shot 2018-01-26 at 1.25.12 PM.png


That's great! The building has been such an eyesore with its marble removed, so I really happen its being re-added.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby dallaz » 27 Jan 2018 11:51

Jasimm wrote:
Tnexster wrote:
dallaz wrote:^^^I thought it would take a year for them to get the marble back.


That's what I thought too but maybe it was just a year to completion. Who wrote the story?


It wasn't a story, just a post from The Drever Instagram account.

I walked passed The Drever on Thursday and assumed they were still talking down the marble. The exact photo they have posted on their Instagram account, is what I saw taking place Thursday morning. The building looks like a complete eyesore without the marble. I’m glad to see it going back up.

Here’s the same post but on Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/TheDreverDallas/photos/a.304919249863804.1073741828.302205643468498/515089145513479/?type=3&source=48

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby jrd1964 » 28 Jan 2018 13:38

cowboyeagle05 wrote:This is the now dead project by former owners of the Drever. They wanted to build the Downtown shopping mall and the space of 1401 Elm was not enough to make a big enough draw so they proposed to buy DARTs HQ and redevelop it as a bigger retail project. It never made it off the drawing boards though. The DART board supposedly considered the offer but I am not sure why it fizzled. DART still wants to move but they haven't really made any serious plans. Developers are chomping at the bit to get the DART HQ last I heard. Not for retail but more residential.


Besides, Macy's has closed more stores lately than they have opened...including downtown stores.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 30 Jan 2018 14:10

It was never about Macy’s they were a placeholder just to show the space they were allocating to one retailer. I think we all would prefer a Target over a Macy’s downtown anyway. They also were proposing a bowling alley or movie theater I believe. Alll things I think they pitched to possible tenants.

Like I’ve said before about the Drever if we can just get them far enough along to get the marble job finished we will be miles further along in getting this giant anchor of a project closer to a finish line. Even if this developer fails to finish this final proposal. Get the marble back up making the building shine so much better investors will be more agreeable about dumping more money at another redeveloper. Redoing a buildings exterior is a huge waste to a bank because they are costs they don’t see a return on. Someone has to do it with buildings like this but no bank wants to make that bet and 99% of them are willing to walk away from making that bet.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: The Drever

Postby Dmkflyer » 23 Feb 2018 14:07

They were testing LED's on this one last night at the top of the building at the ends of the white pin-stripes. They were shining up into the sky and moving around like spot lights.

Hope that description makes sense.


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