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Grocery Stores: news/development

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby trueicon » 13 Jun 2018 10:55

^ I stand corrected. Yes, Kroger sold off their convenience stores, including their Tom Thumb stores, a few months ago.

I'm betting we can expect a slightly smaller version of this Albertsons Express prototype:

http://www.supermarketnews.com/news/alb ... re-concept

It appears that convenience stores are a new test for Albertsons/Safeway. Looks like they are experimenting with different sizes and amenities. For example, the first prototype that opened in Boise Idaho in Dec. 2017 had a drive thru, and was a little bit larger. I would love for this to succeed and others open in the CBD. I don't see this as much of a smaller "Tom Thumb" as much as I see this a direct competitor to QwikTrip. In the northeast and Florida, there is a convenience store called Wawa that serves as the model for super-sized convenience stores. It would be very cool if they included a made-to-order sandwich station like Wawa has.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Jun 2018 12:30

Just for the sake of the concept itself, maybe not this location, hope that they do have enough grocery elements. I have been to multiple QT's and yes they have more options than a 7Eleven sometimes but I would like to see a serious moderate-sized grocery concept. This one is across the street from a full size so it will be basically just a convenience store but I can still see value in the smaller corner grocery. I personally 95% of the time shop on the outside edges of a grocery store so I know the mix matters cause you obviously are not going to carry a huge variety of items.

I do like Trader Joes and Aldi for their size even though they don't have everything I need. Maybe some sort of the food delivery element is what is missing. Order tougher stuff online and pick up groceries at once. You keep the most popular stuff immediately in stock much how Amazon keeps certain goods in stock for Prime Now deliveries. I know Walmart has stores around the size of Aldi in other smaller towns that aren't suitable for a supercenter but I have not seen them bother with inner-city stores. Neighborhood Markets seem to not be working for them either as well as they hoped. It seems like a model whereas you are pumping your car with gas while they are loading up your SUV with your grocery order could work.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby NdoorTX » 14 Jun 2018 12:27

Walmart plans a Lower Greenville return, but with a store you wouldn't expect
Maria Halkias, Retail Writer

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... dnt-expect

Walmart is focused on Lower Greenville once again with a new concept from its Sam's Club division it hasn't even named yet.
The store will open this fall in the 32,000-square-foot building on the southeast corner of Greenville between Belmont and Richmond avenues that had housed a Walmart Neighborhood Market for a short time.
Walmart will not return with the plain vanilla grocery store concept it closed in January 2016.

Think technology-driven shopping and fresh foods under the Sam's Club banner, but much smaller. (A regular Sam's Club ranges from around 100,000 to 150,000 square feet.)

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Postby DPatel304 » 14 Jun 2018 13:08

Still a horrible use of the land, but it seems the only other alternative is to let the building sit empty until the lease runs out, correct?

If our only other option is an empty building, then I'll take this. At least they are trying something new here, and this part of town could use more grocery stores. Plus this news makes it seem like the Sam's club on the old Xerox site has a 0% chance of happening (we pretty much already knew that already, but this re-enforces that idea even more).

My only concern is I hope this doesn't hurt Trader Joe's too much.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby Matt777 » 14 Jun 2018 13:11

NdoorTX wrote:Walmart plans a Lower Greenville return, but with a store you wouldn't expect
Maria Halkias, Retail Writer

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... dnt-expect

Walmart is focused on Lower Greenville once again with a new concept from its Sam's Club division it hasn't even named yet.
The store will open this fall in the 32,000-square-foot building on the southeast corner of Greenville between Belmont and Richmond avenues that had housed a Walmart Neighborhood Market for a short time.
Walmart will not return with the plain vanilla grocery store concept it closed in January 2016.

Think technology-driven shopping and fresh foods under the Sam's Club banner, but much smaller. (A regular Sam's Club ranges from around 100,000 to 150,000 square feet.)


I will reserve final judgement until I see this "concept" they have planned, but I almost feel like this could be worse than having the Neighborhood Market and like Walmart/Sam's is punishing urban Dallas for killing the Cityplace Sam's Club.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby DPatel304 » 14 Jun 2018 13:29

That's an interesting point. Well, if this grocery store isn't worth it, I'm sure the market will ensure it doesn't do well (as they have in the past).

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby The_Overdog » 14 Jun 2018 13:46

I almost feel like this could be worse than having the Neighborhood Market and like Walmart/Sam's is punishing urban Dallas for killing the Cityplace Sam's Club.


I don't get that feeling - I think it will more be a 'order online and pick up in-store' for Sams Club bulk stuff- which is really an excellent use of the existing space. Plus electronics, and as far as I can tell, BestBuy's closest store is barely inside 635. I'd call it an 'urban model' big box store.

Of course this is all just speculation and I have no idea if such a concept is even needed.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 14 Jun 2018 15:34

Lower Greenville and this thread are talking about the same thing.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby jrd1964 » 13 Jul 2018 16:41

The Central Market at Northwest Hwy./Midway (ex-Albertsons, ex-Sun Fresh) will open September 5.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ewest.html

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby jrd1964 » 13 Jul 2018 16:55

Looks like Walmart still wants to be in the small-format/convenience/fuel segment, with one in Crowley, another this week in Plano, and 3 more to come in Lake Worth, south Arlington, and The Colony. Even though they tried small-format stores before, and bailed out of all of those (Brookshire's snapped up all the TX locations and reopened those as a new division called "Spring Market"), this new set of stores are different in that they are in parking lots of existing Walmart locations that don't yet have gas pumps or other convenience store infrastructure on their property.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... cepts.html

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby ContriveDallasite » 16 Jul 2018 03:08

Are there any examples of Walmart anchoring a mixed used development or do they refuse any sort of deal?

The Walmart location on 75 is in a very prime location, however, it has always seem less frequented than other Walmarts around town. It makes you wonder if there are changes in store for that location.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby jrd1964 » 16 Jul 2018 05:33

From what I've seen, it's mostly standalones, big-box-o-ramas, or suburban neighborhood centers. Nothing like Whole Foods on McKinney or the 2 upcoming Tom Thumbs near DTD. From what I can tell, they're not hot about collaborations, other than the spaces that are along the front wall (banks, fast food, etc) of the big store locations. I guess they like mainly going it alone, maybe so there's no one to answer to (?).

As far as the WM Market at 75/Hall, I'm not sure. The few times I've talked to anyone in management there, they insist they're one of the best Market stores in sales. Looks like they're getting a refresh/renovation of some kind now (storage trailers outside and all), but there's land on both sides of the building. I don't know if they ever want to make it bigger/better, or just leave it as is. Eventually, as the area of DTD-and-beyond gets denser, WM may have to address what they really want to do long-term there.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby jrd1964 » 16 Jul 2018 07:19

As a McKinney Costco store opens (July 25), apparently there is interest about a 2nd Dallas location -- the ex-Sam's off Greenville/Park Lane. Soil testing has been done in recent days on the site; the ownership of the site varies by source. There looks to be ties to Costco in one way or another, depending on records, but the company isn't commenting for now.

It would be good to have another Costco in Dallas proper, but the surrounding area to the immediate north/east of the potential site is likely a long-term issue. As for other parts of town, it will be interesting to see what interest, if any, Costco has about them.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... b-mckinney

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Jul 2018 08:21

That would be odd cause Walmart/Sam's like many retailers always puts in a non-compete clause so its unlikely the old Sams on Park Lane could easily be leased to a competitor like Costco. The question is has someone come up with a way to redevelop the property to render the non-compete clause null and void.

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Postby ericthegardener » 16 Jul 2018 09:37

I was reading a thread about the Wynnewood Kroger on one of the Oak Cliff Facebook groups, and several people mentioned the rumor of a Sprouts coming to the property that currently houses El Fenix at the SE corner of Colorado and Beckley. Anybody here heard anything about that?

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 16 Jul 2018 10:06

ericthegardener wrote:I was reading a thread about the Wynnewood Kroger on one of the Oak Cliff Facebook groups, and several people mentioned the rumor of a Sprouts coming to the property that currently houses El Fenix at the SE corner of Colorado and Beckley. Anybody here heard anything about that?


I think that rumor started circulating around the same time Central Market purchased the property on Davis, so about a year ago. It's credible because Firebird Restaurant Group has been purchasing the properties surrounding El Fenix and it only makes sense that they're assembling land for something like that. Maybe Firebird has a letter of interest from Sprouts to come in once the site is cleared.

Back in March, Heritage Oak Cliff posted something about the owners of the barely-standing Polar Bear Ashburns building (Firebird) trying to get a hold of the family that owned Polar Bear Ashburns. That building is adjacent to the site so hopefully this means that while the El Fenix building might come down, Firebird will save the Polar Bear building.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby Matt777 » 16 Jul 2018 11:52

A grocery store right next to a streetcar station is always a nice addition to the urban fabric.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby ericthegardener » 16 Jul 2018 13:02

I would love it if that happened! Sprouts would be good at serving a wide swath of the community. I've found their prices to be pretty affordable for most, but they also have a fair amount of healthy food. Hope it graduates past the rumor stage.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 16 Jul 2018 14:22

ericthegardener wrote:I was reading a thread about the Wynnewood Kroger on one of the Oak Cliff Facebook groups, and several people mentioned the rumor of a Sprouts coming to the property that currently houses El Fenix at the SE corner of Colorado and Beckley. Anybody here heard anything about that?



I hope not. It's right next to the Street Car stop too..another lot wasted by a parking lot?! Nah I'm good.. With Central Market coming, Fiesta, Jerry's, cox's and Kroger nearby why add another grocer?! Come on..

Bring something else to the area; we need more stores out here. Add a mixed use building that has neigborhood amenities as retail.. anything but a grocer we good on that front.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Jul 2018 15:28

That's funny you say that. I know several people that live in that area that would gladly welcome a grocery store of the Sprouts kind and feel like there are no options in Oak Cliff. They also don't like driving to Fiesta down on Jefferson or the Wynnewood Kroger and will most likely drive across the bridge to the new Tom Thumbs or Whole Foods if they are feeling wealthy that day. All I am saying is its clearly just one experience over the other. Personally, I wish we had more inner-city Sprouts but I also wish they were urban design rather than just suburban which seems to be why they have not gone after urban locations.

I could easily see a Sprouts in this rumored area because besides the Hospital there isn't a significant draw for people. Its kind of a pass-through area unless you have Hospital business. This part of Oak Cliff that borders the Trinity River to Davis Street seems a little untapped beyond whats at Bishop Arts of course. Those other options are further south and if a Sprouts were to make it to this spot I am sure Downtown CBD residents would also cross the bridge for it as well.

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Re: Grocery Stores: news/development

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Jul 2018 15:34

Also, I would not put it past the hospital admin to be currently active in encouraging new developers to move in for projects like this. Hospitals that want to attract a good hiring pool of talent will want the area immediately surrounding the hospital to be flush with options for lunch, dinner, decent shopping etc. The Zang/Trinity area is kinda sleepy in terms of its retail/commercial activity while having plenty of lands that could be better developed to create an active area amenity for the hospital.


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