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The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby ArtVandelay » 25 May 2018 16:26

500ft Observation Wheel

Called the Texas Odyssey, the more than 500-foot tall observation wheel would be built on the banks of the Trinity River. It would be larger than the famous London Eye wheel and more than twice as tall as the Texas Star at Dallas' Fair Park.


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ect-moving

The Dallas Water Gardens

http://dallascityhall.com/government/me ... ardens.pdf

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby dallaz » 25 May 2018 17:16

I’m over the fact that it seem like every major city in the world is doing this or planning to. We already have a Ferris Wheel already...it would kinda be strange to have another one.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby PonyUp13 » 25 May 2018 18:01

I’m going to ignore the Ferris Wheel for a moment and focus on the WTer Garden project....

Wow this thing looks completely different than anything else we’ve got going on around here, and could be the biggest step yet towards getting people to regularly interact with our river. Very interested to see how this moves forward.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 May 2018 20:04

...ugh... I'm starting to hate the direction the Cedars is going... The HSR with it's monstrosity garage, this planned garage (1000 spaces) and the existing lots behind Alamo... What about the neighborhood? How will all these projects integrate... I saw no attempt to mask the HSR garage ( and we were promised "iconic")..this ferris wheel is an unoriginal idea..and didn't we already reject this? Seattle's ferris wheel was the one we said nah to.

My fear is that these projects will errode the artistic neighborhood vibe that exists. They will add more parking spaces for outsiders more than anything else.

These large ass garages are Exactly what we don't need. Look at KBH , there's tons of that there. Why build more? Is the plan to have more parking spaces than residents or build urban neighborhoods?

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby Tnexster » 25 May 2018 20:49

dallaz wrote:I’m over the fact that it seem like every major city in the world is doing this or planning to. We already have a Ferris Wheel already...it would kinda be strange to have another one.


Ditto....first thought was Ugh. Hope it dies but I am all for the water park connected to the river, is that even still on?

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby DAFW » 28 May 2018 02:58

Ditto....first thought was Ugh. Hope it dies but I am all for the water park connected to the river, is that even still on?


wait what water park connected to the river.. do u have a source

Edit: I think he meant the Water Gardens. not an actual waterpark... I was imagining waterslides into the trinity river. LOL
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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby DAFW » 28 May 2018 04:29

Now holdwon...... If this observation wheel is gonna happen, it better AT LEAST be cute. And by the looks of it, its gonna give us a psychedelic light show at night. Eh maybe I'm okay with it...

They also want to do an outdoor performance venue, retail, dining, and a "STEAM" Education center, Also mentioned is that the landscaping is designed to allow greater public access to the trinity river, hm. The construction timeline looks to be from August 2019 to about December 2021, They hope to do a NYE opening celebration in 2022.

(screencaps from an NBC5DFW video https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/500-Foot-Tall-Texas-Odyssey-Planned-to-Go-Up-in-Dallas-483737421.html)

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby CTroyMathis » 28 May 2018 09:38

This proposal has reminded me that around 15 years ago, a rather futuristic-looking wheel was proposed for Euless.

2003 article: https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stor ... ily33.html




And, here's one of the renderings I saved from those early forum days:

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https://twitter.com/CTroyMathis/status/ ... 1729936389

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 May 2018 12:13

The Water Gardens project is still a go. They got money from the NTCOG in the last year to move ahead with a detailed planning. Mathews Southwest basically runs most of this property in partnership with an investment company who bought the empty land the High-Speed Rail would use and Mathews Southwest would redevelop other lands they acquired. The problem still seems that they have plans drawn up but they ultimately want a big deal tenant to sign on for redevelopment to start construction. Until they find someone willing to sign on they seem to be ok with holding things up in the air until more than apartment demand is pushing the market.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby tamtagon » 28 May 2018 15:26

CTroyMathis wrote:And, here's one of the renderings I saved from those early forum days:

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https://twitter.com/CTroyMathis/status/ ... 1729936389


Thank you so much for this! Thank you for other stuff, too.

I want to say I'm surprised this hadn't been proposed for Arlington, but there's certainly not as much to observe over there; cool and clear weather days would be fantastic observing from Arlington 100-500' up, but air pollution would turn these observations depressing during the warm or hot and clear days during the other two thirds of the year.

To land this mixed use Observation wheel, water garden, parking garage, "wine bar" and all the other stuff I guess the only thing Fair Park lacks is a near-billionaire developer pushing the neighborhood to new new heights. What a shame Fair Park continues to be ignored.

Paired with the train to Houston, this part of town is on tap to be Texas Tout-able!! While I tend to agree with those concerned that the double D dose of tourist trade will wreck the sketchy fringed creative tone of The Cedars and adjacent warehouse strips, I'm gone from almost convinced to mostly certain that that fragile segment of folks who most honestly embrace and resonate truly the live-work-play lifestyle: artists, musicians and performers, are naturally easing toward Fair Park. Back in the day for fun, my gang called it Deep East Grand. That's where it's going to happen for Dallas, the creative arts finally gets Dallas on the marquee. anyway

I say go for it since it'll open an iconic, signature gateway to the trinity river park. Maybe the nuclear waste billionaire foundation can tie the $50 million donation to creating a good 'bridge' from South Side/Cedars to the river.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby DPatel304 » 28 May 2018 15:51

tamtagon wrote:I say go for it since it'll open an iconic, signature gateway to the trinity river park.


That's what I am most looking forward to. This would be a pretty big draw to the Trinity River Park and will hopefully put more pressure on developing the area around the river more.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby tamtagon » 28 May 2018 19:09

^... unfortunate though, I don't remember that any of the park proposals from the last 15 years identified this section of the levee bound flood zone for park development. There was a delux pedestrian/cyclist bridge and trail proposed to connect South Side to the river, but I'm not even sure if that trail continued along the river, north or south....

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby willyk » 29 May 2018 03:05

I am surprised that we haven’t heard more from Matthews SW about development plans for this area now that the HSR station has been announced.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 May 2018 08:08

Mathews Southwest by my impression has never showboated too much unless they are actually under construction. Unlike let's say BECK who obviously wanted to make a big spectacle about Valley View redo or Hillwood about Victory. They showed off renderings for months of buildings they had no concrete plans to build. Mathews Southwest works project to project at South Side and seems to only stir up the press when he is actually doing more than the usual developer smoke and mirrors.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby lakewoodhobo » 29 May 2018 10:29

I would've preferred this attraction + the concert venue at the Reunion Arena site, which is connected to DART and walkable from Union Station, West End, etc. No need to build another parking garage for this.

And the plans for retail here don't make a lot of sense either. Retail should be part of the HSR station.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby tamtagon » 29 May 2018 10:34

lakewoodhobo wrote:I would've preferred this attraction + the concert venue at the Reunion Arena site,


That's what I thought at first, too. But it would be too close to the Reunion Tower, one of the best structures to observe.... The best skyline view would probably from somewhere in Oak Cliff.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 May 2018 14:04

I agree an OakCliff location would have been perfect as well. Certainly would give that side of the river a monument of its own.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby DPatel304 » 29 May 2018 14:47

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:...ugh... I'm starting to hate the direction the Cedars is going... The HSR with it's monstrosity garage, this planned garage (1000 spaces) and the existing lots behind Alamo... What about the neighborhood? How will all these projects integrate... I saw no attempt to mask the HSR garage ( and we were promised "iconic")..this ferris wheel is an unoriginal idea..and didn't we already reject this? Seattle's ferris wheel was the one we said nah to.

My fear is that these projects will errode the artistic neighborhood vibe that exists. They will add more parking spaces for outsiders more than anything else.

These large ass garages are Exactly what we don't need. Look at KBH , there's tons of that there. Why build more? Is the plan to have more parking spaces than residents or build urban neighborhoods?


I don't disagree with what you're saying about the parking garages, but, when you say 'what about the neighborhood', what neighborhood is there currently? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for catering to the neighborhood and promoting walkable, bike-friendly environments, but there isn't much going on in the Cedars, and even less around Riverfront Blvd.

Let's suppose we drastically reduce the parking garages, and hope people will get there through other means. There isn't much within walking distance here, DART access, currently, doesn't appear that great. Biking there probably wouldn't be that fun from most parts of the urban core either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy about the amount of parking garages that could come to the area, but, realistically speaking, I'm not sure anything else makes sense at this point in time. I do hope that we don't go overboard catering to outsiders, and I really really do hope that they considering building garages that can later be converted to other uses.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby Tucy » 29 May 2018 18:08

"Our vision for the iconic Texas Odyssey is for it to be a seamlessly integrated part of downtown Dallas" LOL
I presume they mean "seamlessly integrated" in some metaphysical sense.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby DPatel304 » 19 Jul 2018 11:00

A colorful addition to the Dallas skyline is one step closer to becoming reality. Imagine a Dallas version of the London Eye - a bright observation wheel where you can look out for miles.

The Dallas Planning Commission is expected to approve a zoning change request Thursday from the developers who want to build a more than 500-foot-tall observation wheel, called the Texas Odyssey, along the Trinity River, south of Downtown Dallas.


If the development is given the necessary governmental approvals over the coming months, construction on the Texas Odyssey could begin in September 2019 and is expected to take approximately two years to complete.

Funding for the project is expected to come from private sources and not be supported by tax dollars.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/business/Da ... ality.html

I'm still super skeptical that this one will ever happen, but things are still moving along.

EDIT: So is this (roughly) the proposed site:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7618602 ... a=!3m1!1e3

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby ContriveDallasite » 19 Jul 2018 14:53

Whats wrong with the one at Fair Park?

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Jul 2018 15:12

ContriveDallasite wrote:Whats wrong with the one at Fair Park?


....other than... it's operated by SFoT and off for 11 months out of the year.. nothing much.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby exelone31 » 19 Jul 2018 15:46

ContriveDallasite wrote:Whats wrong with the one at Fair Park?


One could also wonder what's wrong with the 561 ft rotating observation attraction we've got in Reunion Tower?

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby dfwcre8tive » 19 Jul 2018 16:58

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
ContriveDallasite wrote:Whats wrong with the one at Fair Park?


....other than... it's operated by SFoT and off for 11 months out of the year.. nothing much.


Actually, I believe it's privately owned and operated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Star

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Jul 2018 12:00

The one at Fair Park lacks what this one and the London Eye do which is basically provide a climate controlled touristy experience. The one at Fair Park is a carnival ride with open-air cages. Now it could be heavily modified if the State Fair or the family that owns the Texas Star wants to invest in an overhaul but that's highly unlikely.

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Re: The Cedars: Texas Odyssey

Postby Tnexster » 20 Jul 2018 18:51

I'm not really a fan of these things since it isn't a new or unique idea but more like a "we have one too" experience that every other city will have. On the other hand if it lures tourists downtown and into Cedars is that a bad thing? It does at least contribute to the level of activity in the Cedars. I would rather have the wetlands water park over this though.


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