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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby willyk » 18 Feb 2019 22:37

Class A space in a Class C location. It will never fly.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Dallas12 » 18 Feb 2019 23:24

willyk wrote:Class A space in a Class C location. It will never fly.

The same thing was said about the Crescent once upon a time...

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby tamtagon » 19 Feb 2019 05:58

Neighbors with one of the biggest companies in the world, ATT, Smart District is hardly a Class C location.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby exelone31 » 19 Feb 2019 11:34

Dallas12 wrote:
willyk wrote:Class A space in a Class C location. It will never fly.

The same thing was said about the Crescent once upon a time...


+1 was thinking the exact same thing

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Cbdallas » 19 Feb 2019 11:43

Hopefully it will someday have a new DART line going by near there as well. I think this area could really pop if they could get a noticeable building up. Also the bullet train will be coming in near there as well.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby art_suckz » 19 Feb 2019 11:53

Deck Park Magic.
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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby LuvBigD » 19 Feb 2019 12:14

tamtagon wrote:Neighbors with one of the biggest companies in the world, ATT, Smart District is hardly a Class C location.
And, it's right next to the convention center which was just turned over to Spectra for management and possibly future development.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby DFW » 24 Sep 2019 00:50

Found this, awesome renderings, very interesting. I believe this was the latest one. Now being called NewPark Dallas
https://www.nctcog.org/nctcg/media/Tran ... Dallas.pdf

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby I45Tex » 24 Sep 2019 03:55

This render has about 9 floors of parking with about 40 floors of office above that.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby R1070 » 24 Sep 2019 08:35

The scale of the project is pretty reasonable. I hope to see this happen.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby dd_dweller » 24 Sep 2019 08:47

Not a huge fan of this design. Dallas seems to only build boxy buildings with giant podiums. They should combine both office towers to one so we get something with more height. I understand we need parking but do we have to see it?

I do know something is better than having empty lots. Just an opinion.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby eburress » 24 Sep 2019 09:11

I like the taller buildings' design but regardless I have a hard time seeing this project happening.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Sep 2019 09:20

Yeah I don't see it happening. Especially if it's primarily focused on office. They need to invest in the area with more Residential. Then follow up with office products later on once the area is cleaned up.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby DFW » 24 Sep 2019 09:45

The likely aspect of the podiums for the office towers is to bring in retail and people together.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Matt777 » 24 Sep 2019 09:56

"Academic Campus- +/- 1.4 million SF." El Centro College relocation?

The best thing about these new renderings is that the Eagle's Nest seems to stay intact. It would make a fantastic Food Hall space or a market. Those high ceilings, the tall stained glass windows, all the ornamentation. It would be a real show stopper.

Hopefully they can kick off at least a first phase to get leasing going and show that there is demand. There's very little brand new office space to choose from Downtown, and nothing of this magnitude and quality. The location is perfect too, wedged between the CBD, Farmer's Market/Deep Ellum, Convention Center, The Cedars, future HSR station, and all with I-30 access and the potential for killer skyline views.

I could do without the name "Newpark" though.

***Also, did anyone notice that in one of the nighttime renderings there's a silhouette/reflection of a building with the CNN logo right over I-30? It's faint but it's there. Maybe AT&T will relocate CNN and some Warner Media operations to Dallas?

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby NdoorTX » 24 Sep 2019 14:29

[quote="Matt777"]"Academic Campus- +/- 1.4 million SF." El Centro College relocation?

I thought the same thing about
El Centro relocating here. It would be a good move and great kick starter. I don’t know that KDC/ Hogue wants a junior college, though. Maybe another tech driven campus of UNT could go here?? BTW, when did KDC get involved? They always make future developments more promising with their experience and know how. I could also see them starting with residential. It seems to be a sector that is bulletproof in Dallas. ( at least the rental part of it)

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby I45Tex » 24 Sep 2019 14:43

But Hoque has the cheaper Pilgrims Pride land, which has less visibility and less office potential, for the kind of multifamily midrises being suggested here.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Sep 2019 15:06

I doubt AT&T will bring a serious Time Warner move to Dallas besides some executive moves into the main HQ.

These renderings certainly are more refined and the fact that NTCOG has it just means they are helping shop the project around for other new locating companies.
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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Tnexster » 25 Sep 2019 12:13

dd_dweller wrote:Not a huge fan of this design. Dallas seems to only build boxy buildings with giant podiums. They should combine both office towers to one so we get something with more height. I understand we need parking but do we have to see it?

I do know something is better than having empty lots. Just an opinion.


It isn't just Dallas, Austin does it too and in fact their largest new office project going up now has 15-16 floors of parking with the tower on top.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Tucy » 25 Sep 2019 12:21

NdoorTX wrote: BTW, when did KDC get involved? They always make future developments more promising with their experience and know how. I could also see them starting with residential. It seems to be a sector that is bulletproof in Dallas. ( at least the rental part of it)


KDC has been involved since the first public announcement of the Smart District project (almost two years ago).

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Tnexster » 25 Sep 2019 12:32

I like the taller tower, the twist is a nice touch but wish they would make it stand out even more. The south side of downtown needs a fresh face.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby dallaz » 02 Jul 2020 22:08

I just came across this by trying to find new info about the Newpark project. This was posted June 21st. What do y’all think?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XvL6VWCHI

https://youtu.be/XnQEvuAosIg

There’s also a construction sequence video as well

https://youtu.be/Ks4uHmv44KE

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby rono3849 » 02 Jul 2020 22:54

They appear to be going for residential primarily at the beginning. Not as much office space as they originally focused on. I don't know if there is enough of a market for this kind of tower in this geographical area of the city since there are several towers coming on the Downtown/Uptown/Victory Park/Deep Ellum market. AMLI Fountain Place, Flora & Oliver Tower, The Victor Tower, The Stack, & East Quarter, just to name a few. I enjoyed the video.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Matt777 » 02 Jul 2020 23:19

Wow, it looks like they're pretty serious about at least starting that One Newpark building early next year. I'd rather have the district start going up all at once rather than piecemeal, but at least it's a start.

The modern architecture should be a nice addition. With such a grand vision, I wonder if they know about a corporate relo or two that we don't. I keep thinking what a huge boost the Tesla HQ would be Downtown. It would change things immensely. I know that Austin has been rumored as a front runner, but maybe that's being used for bargaining power. Austin wouldn't really provide them that much of a decrease in costs, and it's not the most regulation averse place either, which is what's driving them out of California.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby I45Tex » 03 Jul 2020 02:24

The four-star hotel stacked between the office and multifamily chunks would be nice if it happens. Could it help convince Hillwood to try something more multi-functional, if it worked here?

Architecturally I think it fails to look like anyplace at all except what investors think is safe to look like. Nobody will ever feel like they're at home around this district, or care that much about a "neighborhood" of this type of building, but they're not invited to be citizens there in the first place, as much as shoppers and tenants.

As designed at the moment, it's no more nor less of a bland cul-de-sac than the stuff going up along parks on the tollway in Frisco, so that's a wash, but rooftops here are much more of a multiplier for other good things than rooftops thirty miles north.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby eburress » 03 Jul 2020 08:31

I love it! Hope it happens. Southeast Downtown is starting to look like the new Uptown, with this, wrapping around to the Farmer's Market and towards Uber's campus.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby DPatel304 » 03 Jul 2020 12:21

Awesome! I'm glad to see we are still getting updates on this project, I'm really excited to see if they do indeed start on the Newpark project early next year!

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby tamtagon » 03 Jul 2020 13:44

Newpark sounds better than Smart District

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby I45Tex » 03 Jul 2020 13:47

Smart just sounds blandly corporate. Though the new park in the video is pretty blandly corporate too.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby tamtagon » 03 Jul 2020 14:35

...also in the video, I noticed almost all of the animated people are white.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby clcrash19 » 03 Jul 2020 14:43

Looks awesome, hope it happens, not holding my breath tho

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby SullyTX » 04 Jul 2020 14:11

I like how they show Fire Station #4 at the beginning of the construction video and then suddenly at the end it looks like a beer garden.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby zblevinz555 » 06 Jul 2020 13:24

Is there a topic on 23Springs I havnt seen a post on it. I know it’s been in planning for a few years but can’t find a topic on it.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Cabrio330 » 06 Jul 2020 13:56

zblevinz555 wrote:Is there a topic on 23Springs I havnt seen a post on it. I know it’s been in planning for a few years but can’t find a topic on it.


It is in a different thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=303

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby CTroyMathis » 06 Jul 2020 14:40

SullyTX wrote:I like how they show Fire Station #4 at the beginning of the construction video and then suddenly at the end it looks like a beer garden.


Seems like that may be just the case. Roll-up interior opens to the outside sort of gig. We all might want to collectively check and see if Hook & Ladder 4 is going to get new digs some time in the (near?) future as another way to keep tabs on what's up. I did a very quick/short search, and, found it's been in at least 2 locations not terribly far from one another during it's existence as #4.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby SullyTX » 08 Jul 2020 20:02

CTroyMathis wrote:
SullyTX wrote:I like how they show Fire Station #4 at the beginning of the construction video and then suddenly at the end it looks like a beer garden.


Seems like that may be just the case. Roll-up interior opens to the outside sort of gig. We all might want to collectively check and see if Hook & Ladder 4 is going to get new digs some time in the (near?) future as another way to keep tabs on what's up. I did a very quick/short search, and, found it's been in at least 2 locations not terribly far from one another during it's existence as #4.


Fire Station 4 is on the older end of the department's stations but did not make the cut for the last bond election to be replaced. Other large cities have allowed fire stations to be built in the ground floor of high rises and that could kill two birds. I don't know if the city has ever been made that offer, I do know that the city has turned down previous offers for land swaps/replacement by developers. I was just laughing at the metamorphosis of the fire station in the video. The stations that were approved for replacement/or new construction in the last bond election were Stations 36, 46, and new Station 59.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby zblevinz555 » 01 Aug 2020 16:20

They seemed to have taken the welcome to newpark video down from YouTube. Don’t know what to make of that

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby dbent » 01 Aug 2020 18:50

zblevinz555 wrote:They seemed to have taken the welcome to newpark video down from YouTube. Don’t know what to make of that



Still up

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XvL6VWCHI

https://youtu.be/XnQEvuAosIg

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby zblevinz555 » 01 Aug 2020 19:47

Yea nvm I overlooked it lol

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby zblevinz555 » 07 Aug 2020 01:02

A new updated video of One NewPark. Looks like another building was added to their plans. Hope this happens.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjaTzcK-hE

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby texasstar » 07 Aug 2020 08:06

This would be SO awesome!

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Aug 2020 10:27

Notice all the towers are now linked by ugly sky bridges ugh.
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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Kelley USA » 07 Aug 2020 11:41

I would think the sky bridges would only be necessary if a single tenant occupied space in multiple buildings. Otherwise they're pretty pointless. I'm thinking they're showing them more for marketing purposes?

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby clcrash19 » 07 Aug 2020 12:00

That video is really well done. Hope it happens

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby I45Tex » 07 Aug 2020 16:08

zblevinz555 wrote:A new updated video of One NewPark. Looks like another building was added to their plans. Hope this happens.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pjaTzcK-hE


They've got to fix that script at 1:15 where they say the 90-minute-connected Hou+DFW economy will be a connected region second in size only to Tri-state NYC. If you're going to count two MSAs as one investment labor-shed to investors then you cannot act like LA MSA is all by itself and doesn't have two more MSAs immediately bordering it. We might add up to more than LA all by itself, but not even close to its Combined Statistical Area.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby tamtagon » 07 Aug 2020 16:55

^seems like there was one or two other gaffs, but that one stuck out to me, too. I'd rather see PR stuff more like, the HSR and NewParkSmartDistrict will help boost North Texas into the third largest economy in the country.

I'd really like to see this development anchor the emergence of an global energy sector HQ/decision making hot spot for the massive industry deconstruction and spinning off of corporate divisions as the Petroleum Giants adapt to deliver renewable and recyclable power and energy, finally leaving fossil fuels to the roll of back up generation.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Aug 2020 17:38

The mroe marketing material I see the more I think that this project is less likely to happen lol

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 08 Aug 2020 11:17

This is being proposed by a developer who is unproven for massive projects like this. Sure its got the same construction management company that built Legacy West behind it but their man power just boosts the construction side. It means nothing if the company doing the marketing and leading the overall development are not able to get leases signed or banks to sign off on construction loans. Its not easy to build a status like a Trammel Crow who if they announce something like this people are more likely to believe its a possibility. I know no one wants to hear this but Spire also thought it could propose a massive redevelopment of empty parking lots. Bold renderings are nice but unless a big tenant says yeah I am willing to bet on this project its going to remain a Bugatti's and Neiman Marcus bags while pushing a baby stroller fever dream.
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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby rono3849 » 08 Aug 2020 18:08

As much as I'd like to see this work, I just don't think it's possible. It's basically disconnected from the rest of the Downtown area & the South side of Downtown has no draw to want to be there. City Hall can't pull in folks & of what I've seen of AT&T's District, that won't do it either. All of those hideous open parking lots will remain empty for years to come, IMO.

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Re: Dallas Smart District

Postby Tnexster » 09 Aug 2020 11:13

So we have this on the south side of downtown and De La Vega and that massive development on the north side. Can Dallas absorb that much new space? Especially now?


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