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Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

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Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby WylieH » 24 Sep 2017 11:48

Does anyone know anything about this superblock multi-family residential project being proposed by Angela Hunt & Lincoln Properties adjacent to the Katy Trail and Oak Lawn Park?

https://www.facebook.com/events/130402990941574/

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby R1070 » 24 Sep 2017 14:00

It's funny that the whole project in that picture is 6 or 7 floors. The original description of this project was for a 6 floor section and a 10 floor section. It will be nice to see something replace those aging condos.

It's only a matter of time before something replaces the Carlisle Apartments as well.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby Matt777 » 24 Sep 2017 21:23

Looks boring, initially at least. That facebook group says this project is getting $20 million from the City of Dallas. Why?
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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby R1070 » 24 Sep 2017 22:17

If these neighborhoods are so hot, why do they need city welfare?

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby flyswatter » 25 Sep 2017 09:15

R1070 wrote:It's funny that the whole project in that picture is 6 or 7 floors. The original description of this project was for a 6 floor section and a 10 floor section. It will be nice to see something replace those aging condos.

It's only a matter of time before something replaces the Carlisle Apartments as well.


Could be keeping it low so the Turtle Creek condo owners allow it. Don't want to block their view! The Carlisle Apartments had a fire last month in the building closest to Katy Trail, so if there was a time to bulldoze and redevelop, it's now.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby Tucy » 25 Sep 2017 14:27

flyswatter wrote:
R1070 wrote:It's funny that the whole project in that picture is 6 or 7 floors. The original description of this project was for a 6 floor section and a 10 floor section. It will be nice to see something replace those aging condos.

It's only a matter of time before something replaces the Carlisle Apartments as well.


Could be keeping it low so the Turtle Creek condo owners allow it. Don't want to block their view! The Carlisle Apartments had a fire last month in the building closest to Katy Trail, so if there was a time to bulldoze and redevelop, it's now.


That is not even close to a good reason for a taxpayer subsidy. If Turtle Creek condo owners want their view preserved, they can pay to preserve it.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby DPatel304 » 09 Jul 2018 11:56

I received an e-mail today regarding this project:

Lincoln Property Company has purchased the (now former) Terrace Creek Condominiums on Carlisle @ Hall. They are seeking to rezone and construct a new 6 story, multi-family development project. They also plan to build new public access to Katy Trail.

Angela Hunt, a representative of the group in charge of construction is going to be on-site to present the new project in detail and answer any questions you may have on its potential impact to us and the Turtle Creek neighborhood. If you have any questions or comments or would just like information, PLEASE come join us Thursday evening. Let your voice be heard!


The meeting is taking place in the lobby of my building, so I assume it's just for residents only. Unfortunately I'm out of town, so I won't be able to attend, but I am really hoping this project does not go through. It's such a waste of some really prime real estate.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby DPatel304 » 17 Jul 2018 15:25

I wasn't able to attend the meeting, but I did receive a PDF via e-mail with more information on this project:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3840529 ... -CPC-003-1

(Let me know if the link doesn't work. Also, if anyone knows a better site to host a PDF, let me know as well).

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby Mr. Amsterdam » 17 Jul 2018 17:09

DPatel304 wrote:I wasn't able to attend the meeting, but I did receive a PDF via e-mail with more information on this project:
https://www.scribd.com/document/3840529 ... -CPC-003-1

(Let me know if the link doesn't work. Also, if anyone knows a better site to host a PDF, let me know as well).


Link works just fine, thanks!

First of all, I learned that "Shade Studies" exist. Second, and more importantly: "Undergrounded overhead powerlines along Carlisle and Bowen Streets." Overhead powerlines were/are such a blight to an otherwise great neighborhood of State Thomas. I hardly ever walked near Carlisle, but this is good news if it was anything like State Thomas.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby R1070 » 17 Jul 2018 20:52

I like it! A huge improvement compared to what is currently there. People shouldn't be complaining about this.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 18 Jul 2018 08:39

It depends on what is important to you the people arguing against this project do have some reasonable objections when you fact in more than just pretty renderings and perceived value.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby The_Overdog » 18 Jul 2018 09:01

First of all, I learned that "Shade Studies" exist


Yes they do exist, and it's totally odd to me that in Dallas, shade studies are done to make sure rooms are getting enough sun, not too much. Oh the magic of air conditioning.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby Matt777 » 18 Jul 2018 09:37

R1070 wrote:I like it! A huge improvement compared to what is currently there. People shouldn't be complaining about this.


Worth $20-30 million of free handout money (paid for by hardworking citizens) to the developer? No. If that happens, jail time should be given to whoever is involved. Backroom old Dallas deals like this is why we don't have nice things.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby Cbdallas » 18 Jul 2018 11:14

Watiting on this one for a while but I wish it had been taller.

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Postby DPatel304 » 18 Jul 2018 11:24

Matt777 wrote:Worth $20-30 million of free handout money (paid for by hardworking citizens) to the developer? No. If that happens, jail time should be given to whoever is involved. Backroom old Dallas deals like this is why we don't have nice things.


Do we still know this is being subsidized? I know originally there was a request for a subsidy, but I have not heard anything since.

Cbdallas wrote:Watiting on this one for a while but I wish it had been taller.


That's my opinion as well. I feel like Uptown is running out of space, and it still seems to lack the density needed to create a lively neighborhood. It's decently lively by Dallas's standards, but we need to aim for much higher than that.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby Matt777 » 18 Jul 2018 11:38

DPatel304 wrote:
Matt777 wrote:Worth $20-30 million of free handout money (paid for by hardworking citizens) to the developer? No. If that happens, jail time should be given to whoever is involved. Backroom old Dallas deals like this is why we don't have nice things.


Do we still know this is being subsidized? I know originally there was a request for a subsidy, but I have not heard anything since.



Hadn't heard that the request was withdrawn. So yes. The developer would have noted that they are no longer seeking free public money since they are trying to push this forward. They haven't said anything, so one would assume that the free corporate welfare handout is still on the table.

Meanwhile, cars across the city continue to sustain damage on the increasingly bad potholes across city streets. We have no money for pedestrian improvements. But we do have $30 million to give to Angela Hunt and her developer buddies for free, for no reason whatsoever.

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby DallasMan » 24 Jul 2018 11:55

Nice upgrade and they've clearly done a lot of leg work.

That being said, this will replace a large supply of some of the more reasonably priced housing units in this area. If there is public money on the table (or frankly, even without it, given their need for zoning changes), they should be required to include more than just 15 "affordable housing" units (just 5% of their total).

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Re: Uptown: Carlisle St. Urban Renewal Project/Block 968

Postby tamtagon » 24 Jul 2018 12:07

At this point, I'm not sure how anything in Uptown qualifies for public assistance. The Victory Park TIF/PID/Whatever has another several years before it expires, probably by then, it'll only need to be the West Dallas TIF/PID/whatever. What's left of Oak Lawn (mimus the Uptown subset) should have a TIF/PID/Whatever specifically to maintain 20%(???) affordable housing, new, expanded, upgraded parks and pedestrian infrastructure.

This is one of the best locations in Uptown. I'm okay with if it doesn't provide apartments below market rate, but there's no reason the developer needs public assistance to build it - I think one proposal had such a request, but I don't think the new one does...?


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