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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Oct 2018 13:16

Dallas has decided to stay mum on whether or not Amazon came back calling. Not sure how that's a competitive advantage; other cities have been letting the world know about the follow-ups.. but whatever, it really says nothing about whether You're the Favorite or not.

Simply put, We really don't know how Dallas is doing in this "contest".

Everything seems to indicate that it's DC's to lose.

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Postby muncien » 24 Oct 2018 14:01

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Dallas has decided to stay mum on whether or not Amazon came back calling. Not sure how that's a competitive advantage; other cities have been letting the world know about the follow-ups.. but whatever, it really says nothing about whether You're the Favorite or not.

Simply put, We really don't know how Dallas is doing in this "contest".

Everything seems to indicate that it's DC's to lose.


The fact that the city leaders say nothing when asked could mean one of two things...
1. They don't want to admit possible failure in their bid by saying that they didn't get another visit when other had.
2. Non-disclosure agreements between parties prohibits them from giving any indication as to whether the city has been selected.

I know those are two very different outcomes and this clears up nothing... but those seem like the most likely scenarios.
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Postby Waldozer » 03 Nov 2018 11:12

Are we in Northern Virginia? If so, I think we’ve got this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpo ... 46177?s=21

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Postby DPatel304 » 03 Nov 2018 14:47

I won't believe it until Amazon says it themselves. With that says, Northern Virginia does seem very likely, I'm just not going to believe it 100% at this point.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 03 Nov 2018 14:55

It was always going to the metro DC area. What a farce.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Nov 2018 15:00

Dallas still in the hunt for Amazon... So they say

https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-in- ... 1541359441


Amazon.com Inc. has progressed to late-stage talks on its planned second headquarters with a small handful of communities including northern Virginia’s Crystal City, Dallas and New York City, people familiar with the matter said, as it nears a final decision that could reshape both the tech giant and the location it chooses.

The ongoing talks with some local officials come as discussions appear to have cooled in some of the other 20 cities on Amazon’s shortlist, including Denver, Toronto, Atlanta, Nashville, Tenn., and Raleigh, N.C., according to people familiar with those situations.

Negotiations with the top candidates are likely in slightly different phases, according to the knowledgeable people. In Northern Virginia, Amazon is negotiating with government officials on incentives, while it’s also talking with JBG Smith Properties , a publicly traded real-estate investment trust, about the Crystal City real estate it owns, according to people familiar with the matter. Part of the negotiations involve nailing down the investment targets Amazon would have to meet to qualify for incentives, one of the people said.

New York is still actively talking with Amazon, although it’s unclear how far along they are in the process.

Together, the developments are intensifying anticipation that the list of likely choices is dwindling—even as several of the knowledgeable people cautioned that Amazon hasn’t made a final decision. Some also believe Amazon may announce plans to place smaller operations in runner-up locations. The company has refused to discuss the process publicly except to say it will decide by year’s end. Some people involved think an announcement could arrive this month. Negotiations are fluid and fast moving given they are late stage, and discussions with individual cities could change or fall apart at the last minute.


Amazon is “anything but predictable,” said one of the people familiar with ongoing negotiations in Virginia.

Site selection specialists say Amazon likely is having late-stage talks with two or more cities, and has other cities on hold, in case any one deal can’t be completed.

A group of developers in Dallas, where advanced talks also continue, recently purchased property on a site there that they earmarked for Amazon.

The standing of other cities on Amazon’s list of 20, such as Newark, N.J., is less clear. Chicago and Miami had been until recently in contact with Amazon, but aren’t currently in negotiations, according to some of the people. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are out of the running.

Amazon announced plans more than a year ago to build a second headquarters, triggering an unprecedented bidding process. Amazon said the new site, intended to be a full second headquarters for the e-commerce titan, would bring as many as 50,000 jobs and more than $5 billion in investments over nearly two decades.


Amazon has managed the search with intense secrecy since announcing in January the list of 20 finalists out of 238 cities and regions that submitted proposals. It conducted whirlwind site visits earlier this year and requested reams of data as focused as local high school test scores. The company asked cities involved in the process to sign nondisclosure agreements, and officials have tried to keep proceedings secret.

The process went largely silent over the summer. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Amazon had made second visits to a handful of cities and was negotiating with some, and that it was leaning toward an urban site.

Amazon Chief Executive Jeff Bezos this past week said the decision will be made “with intuition after gathering and studying a lot of data.” Speaking in an onstage interview with author Walter Isaacson, he said: “For a decision like that, as far as I know, the best way to make it is you collect as much data as you can, you immerse yourself in that data, but then make the decision with your heart.”

Amazon wants a place where it can demonstrate its economic value, but where it isn’t the only giant employer in town. Each of the places still in discussions have advantages that could be attractive.


The D.C.-area has long been considered a front-runner for the process, in part because Mr. Bezos has a home there and owns the Washington Post. It was also the only area with three finalists—Northern Virginia, Montgomery County, Md., and D.C. proper. Odds makers on betting websites have had Northern Virginia as the favorite for most of this year.

Crystal City, which sits just across the Potomac River from Washington, has an urban feel, numerous government offices, and a ready-to-go campus with empty, older office space that Amazon could use. The area has good access to tech talent and transportation, two factors that rank high on Amazon’s wish list.

The Washington Post reported on Saturday that Crystal City was in advanced talks with Amazon.

Amazon wants a place where it can demonstrate its economic value, but where it isn’t the only giant employer in town.

Dallas has a lower cost of living and public-private partnership incentives, in the form of tax abatements, grants, infrastructure cost sharing, and other methods to offset project and operational costs. It’s also in Texas, which doesn’t levy personal income taxes.


One potential site there is a 7.2-acre site formerly home to the Dallas Morning News, that sold last week for $33 million to a Dallas developer. The property is across from the Dallas Union Station light rail and Amtrak station, a hub for commuters, and adjacent to the intersection of Interstates 30 and 35, which would satisfy a core preference for Amazon to be in a well-connected urban location.

The Dallas-based developers that bought the site, led by a company called KDC, said in regulatory filings last week that it would pay prior owner A.H. Belo Corp. 50% of the profit if the KDC group agrees to sell the property to Amazon before the group’s purchase closes on Dec. 28. They would pay 33% of the profit to Belo if the property is sold to Amazon within a year of the closing date. A representative for KDC said there has been no word on Amazon’s plans for a potential Dallas location.

In New York, one neighborhood Amazon has explored is Long Island City, Queens, the Journal previously reported. The residential neighborhood is perched on the East River overlooking Manhattan, and is being gentrified by high-rise buildings and young professionals.

Purported leaks about the process have upset at least one Amazon official, Mike Grella, the company’s director of economic development for its cloud computing arm, who hasn’t been involved in the search. “Memo to the genius leaking info about Crystal City, VA as #HQ2 selection,” said a post on his Twitter account Saturday, one of several recently complaining about articles on the subject. “You’re not doing Crystal City, VA any favors. And stop treating the NDA you signed like a used napkin.”

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby tamtagon » 04 Nov 2018 15:50

So, that's where it'll go, wrapped around the SE quardrant of downtown Dallas. DMN-Smart District. I knew there had to be a reason KDC was involved in the DMN transaction.

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Postby DPatel304 » 04 Nov 2018 18:25

I still don't know what to think. NoVa seems like the obvious winner, but is that just what Amazon wants everyone to think so they have some leverage when negotiating with the real winner? Amazon has been very good at being tight lipped about this whole process, so I feel like any sort of leaks/clues we have been given are all intentional.

To be honest, this whole thing has just been exhausting. I'm glad we are nearing the end of the year, so we can finally get an answer to this HQ2 nonsense.

I knew there had to be a reason KDC was involved in the DMN transaction.


That's a good point. The timing is quite interesting regarding that sale, and perhaps maybe that's why the city also decided to be very lenient and not enforce any sort of preservation requirements on the property.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Matt777 » 04 Nov 2018 20:18

I was looking at Crystal City, VA On google maps and struggled to find a place where HQ2 would go without demolishing an existing neighborhood. The area seemed really dreary too.

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Postby DFW » 04 Nov 2018 20:29

This article quotes about the Dallas developers.
https://gizmodo.com/amazon-reportedly-c ... 213341/amp

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby DPatel304 » 04 Nov 2018 20:38

Could it be possible that Austin is only mentioned as a way to gain more incentives from Dallas? I just can't see how Austin is seriously being considered, knowing what Amazon is looking for. On top of that, didn't they also publicly state they wouldn't be giving out any incentives?

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Postby R1070 » 04 Nov 2018 22:28

DPatel304 wrote:Could it be possible that Austin is only mentioned as a way to gain more incentives from Dallas? I just can't see how Austin is seriously being considered, knowing what Amazon is looking for. On top of that, didn't they also publicly state they wouldn't be giving out any incentives?


I was thinking this as well. Or maybe a "Texas location"split between Dallas & Austin.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Warrior2015 » 05 Nov 2018 12:14

So dallas made the top 3?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Nov 2018 12:21

Warrior2015 wrote:So dallas made the top 3?


Its just just hearsay. Don't get ur hopes up.

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Postby DPatel304 » 05 Nov 2018 12:25

These sources told CNBC that a final decision is "close" and may come down to Northern Virginia or Austin, Texas — or perhaps a split between both cities.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/03/amazon- ... rters.html

This source is claiming it's between NoVa and Austin. So yeah, all just hearsay for now, and we still don't know squat.

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Postby The_Overdog » 05 Nov 2018 12:27

Crystal City VA is directly west of the Ronald Regan airport and slightly south of The Pentagon. I don't see that being a great location for HQ#2.

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Postby Tnexster » 05 Nov 2018 13:44

Amazon Plans to Split HQ2 Evenly Between Two Cities

https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-pla ... _lead_pos1

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Postby Tnexster » 05 Nov 2018 13:46

I think this on top of the other news today greatly increases the odds that it's landing here and DC.

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Postby Kelley USA » 05 Nov 2018 13:53

^^ My guess then would be Crystal City and Austin (just like the CNBC article mentioned). This would give Amazon a presence on both the East & West Coast along with a presence in the Central Time Zone. I guess it could be Dallas. Splitting the HQ probably moves Austin up on the list though.

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Postby Cbdallas » 05 Nov 2018 14:07

I have always thought it made the most sense to have a west east and third coast middle spot (Dallas). We will probably find out in a short while. Once the rumors run rampant they don't want to drag it out and get ahead of the dialogue.

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Postby DPatel304 » 05 Nov 2018 14:11

I want to believe Dallas would win over Austin, but if it's a 'split' HQ2, then perhaps Amazon is okay with the fact that the infrastructure and airport aren't as good in Austin compared to Dallas.

Cbdallas wrote:I have always thought it made the most sense to have a west east and third coast middle spot (Dallas). We will probably find out in a short while. Once the rumors run rampant they don't want to drag it out and get ahead of the dialogue.


I think picking one city in Texas and one on the east coast is what they are planning. It seems it has been narrowed down to Crystal City, NYC, Dallas, and Austin, if I'm not mistaken. If they plan to go to Crystal City, then having NYC on the list would be a good way to get more incentives from CC (or vice versa). Same applies to Dallas/Austin.

My vote is Crystal City and Dallas.
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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby st-t » 05 Nov 2018 14:21

Dallas & NoVa.

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Postby Tnexster » 05 Nov 2018 14:48

Look at that Dallas location. It's across the street from the DART station, on top of the street car line into oak cliff and directly adjacent to the HSR connection. If you desire those types of connections you don't get better in Dallas.

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Postby Matt777 » 05 Nov 2018 15:12

Tnexster wrote:Look at that Dallas location. It's across the street from the DART station, on top of the street car line into oak cliff and directly adjacent to the HSR connection. If you desire those types of connections you don't get better in Dallas.


You don't get better anywhere in Texas or really most of the South than that location when it comes to transit potential. Amazon investing in Dallas would amplify all the positive steps the city has made in rebuilding the urban lifestyle that was torn out of our core in the 60s-90s. Amazon would reap a lot of benefit as would the city.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Nov 2018 15:13

Where's the Austin locale?

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Postby DPatel304 » 05 Nov 2018 15:35

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Where's the Austin locale?


This is all I could find:
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... n-for.html

Looks like the two sites listed there are somewhat out in the 'burbs. I could have sworn that a location on Riverside was also being pitched, though.

Either way, they also did say they would not be offering incentives (I'm not sure if that will end up being true or not):
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... ustin.html

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Nov 2018 15:40

Kelley USA wrote:^^ My guess then would be Crystal City and Austin (just like the CNBC article mentioned). This would give Amazon a presence on both the East & West Coast along with a presence in the Central Time Zone. I guess it could be Dallas. Splitting the HQ probably moves Austin up on the list though.



Hmmm... Perhaps they are mentioning Austin as a bargaining chip for more incentives. Who knows...

I hear a winner or winners could be announced this week or next.

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Postby Tnexster » 05 Nov 2018 16:27

One of the advantages of having the HSR link to Houston....according to experts....is that it has the effect of making DFW and Houston/College Station a single market. I have heard that before, have some doubt but who knows, maybe there are some people that would commute that way and being so close to the station would make that an option. May be a factor, guess we will find out.

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Postby DPatel304 » 05 Nov 2018 16:36

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I hear a winner or winners could be announced this week or next.


They will likely wait until all the mid-term election buzz has died down, so they can have the spotlight.

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Postby dallasrookie » 05 Nov 2018 20:24

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... ity-2018-9

Amazon plans to set up 2 different locations for its HQ2 — in New York and Virginia

The long wait is over. Amazon is said to be in talks to build its second headquarters project in the Long Island City section of Queens, New York, and the Crystal City area of Arlington, Virginia, The New York Times reported on Monday evening, citing people familiar with the plans.

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Postby DPatel304 » 05 Nov 2018 22:14

The Times report also confirmed that the deal is close to being finalized.


So, again, nothing has been confirmed.

I really hope they just announce it soon. There has been an insane amount of buzz around HQ2 today, I really hope they don't draw it out much longer.

Prior to today, I thought Dallas was a long shot, but, unfortunately I've gotten my hopes up and now I'm expecting it to be NoVa and Dallas. I'll be bummed if that's not the case. Then again, if it ends up being NoVa and NYC, I'll know that we never had a real chance at nabbing HQ2 to begin with.

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Postby MilesKim » 05 Nov 2018 23:30

If they do in fact split the HQ2 project between two cities, we can say for certain that one will be located on the east coast. As for the second one, I think we can have it narrowed down to three cities for certain.

Here's what I think they are and their probabilities of getting the HQ2.

1. Austin - 50%
2. Dallas - 40%
3. Chicago - 10%

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby quixomniac » 05 Nov 2018 23:46

Honestly, I am not sure when NY came into the mix. I always thought DC would get it for sure.
Having both east and west coasts makes sense.
Queens, Long Island NY, I imagine is crowded and real estate prices are quite high.
To have two east coast locations seems redundant. Having a location in the middle of the country makes more sense.

If Dallas doesnt get it, it might have less to do on all the specifics of location, real estate prices, whatever tax incentives they offered, (because honestly Dallas is a good sell) and more to do with the ability to attract talent.
Although Dallas has a large pool of tech workers, the ability to churn out local talent like Seattle, NY, DC would be Dallas' achilles heel. But that's almost a chicken/egg problem. I suppose it will be a huge wakeup call for Texas to further invest in the local universities.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 06 Nov 2018 00:18

^ Dallas has substantially more tech workers than Seattle (or Austin for that matter). But they're a smaller percentage of our much larger total workforce, so they don't get the press. UT Dallas, UTA and SMU can hold their own against U of W.

The DC metro area has a lot more tech workers, but most of them are government drones making GS scale because they couldn't pass muster in the private sector. Not the kind of folks a company like Amazon wants to hire.

As for NYC, who making under $500k/year would want to live in that hell hole?

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Postby quixomniac » 06 Nov 2018 00:51

I am aware of UTD, UTA, SMU. and I agree that Dallas has more tech workers. But my argument comes from quality of tech workers. U of W is a top 20 tier 1 university, DC has Georgetown and John Hopkins, both high tier 1 among others, and thats nothing to say of the tier 1 universities in NY.

UTD, for example, has made the argument that they just cracked the top 100 uni's and just made tier 1. which is great! but its not even close to the other 2 candidate cities uni's . Im sure it will get better and better.

That's where I'm getting at, companies like to have a built in advantage, first dibs at local talent (like TI is doing with UTD) and the ability to mold the curriculum to develop workers they want. I would assume (correct me if i'm wrong) that a company like Amazon is aiming to hire the best of the best, not just fill in with whatever local tech workers they can find which is why they favor the other two locations.

Of course, the counter argument as that people will move to whatever job they can get from whatever university nationwide, location be damned.

I agree, on NYC, they would have to pay their workers significantly more to come close on quality of life.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby jwuebben » 06 Nov 2018 07:35

this is settled right? they picked DC and NYC correct? what a letdown..

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Nov 2018 08:25

Just glad this is over and done and everyone can move on.

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Postby ContriveDallasite » 06 Nov 2018 09:04

I still haven't seen a formalized statement, but it does appear that NYC and DC are getting all the attention. Sad that this ordeal was such a farce.

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Postby Kelley USA » 06 Nov 2018 09:11

jwuebben wrote:this is settled right? they picked DC and NYC correct? what a letdown..


Yes, there are multiple reports out now that DC and NYC are the 2 picks. I can understand DC, but NYC doesn't make much sense to me. High cost of living, lack of available (affordable housing), State income tax for your employees, outdated transit. Not to mention the 2 locations are fairly close (perhaps that's by design for logistical reasons). The 2 would only be separated by a 4 hour car ride, which means it would be like choosing both Dallas and Houston. So I guess we finished 3rd?

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Postby DPatel304 » 06 Nov 2018 09:42

I'm still hanging on to a little hope that we may still have this, but I think I'm just being unrealistic now.

If we did lose to both DC/NYC, then I'm fine with that, as it was never truly within our reach. If we had lost to Austin, I'd be way more bummed, because that would mean it was actually within our reach and we failed to deliver in the end.

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Postby muncien » 06 Nov 2018 10:34

Perhaps by having both DC and NYC linked by rail, they can still consider this a single HQ2 instead of HQ2 and HQ3. But that seems like quite a stretch...

On the other hand, once you decide to break it out to multiple cities, it seems strange that you would have it in two cities on the same coast. Apparently, Dallas is mentioned as still being in the game, but perhaps just as a bargaining chip.

But once you break the premise of an 'equal' HQ2 and decide to split it out to multiple cities, then really they are just satellite offices. At that point, why not go with three, or even four cities?
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Nov 2018 10:41

muncien wrote:But once you break the premise of an 'equal' HQ2 and decide to split it out to multiple cities, then really they are just satellite offices. At that point, why not go with three, or even four cities?


I was thinking the same. There's really no difference in these two locations (DC ,NY) and their current presence in LA and Boston.

What is really laughable is that they promised to be transformative. You're just another company in NYC (given that you're split) and the NoVa location is int even in DC.

Both cities need to fix their rail transportation, so I see how transit agencies could benefit from this. Im sure Amazon will throw some cash their way.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Nov 2018 10:57

Kelley USA wrote:
jwuebben wrote:this is settled right? they picked DC and NYC correct? what a letdown..


Yes, there are multiple reports out now that DC and NYC are the 2 picks. I can understand DC, but NYC doesn't make much sense to me. High cost of living, lack of available (affordable housing), State income tax for your employees, outdated transit.


Say what you will about NYC, it still has an undeniable appeal to attract talented ppl.

Also, these employees aren't gonna be on the street due to housing shortages. NYC is still building a lot of apartments and these folks will be able to afford them. NYC can handle the influx of 25K ppl better than most cities.

Regarding transit... They still have the best transit in America. Dallas' transportation model is outdated if anything; not to mention unsustainable. So I don't see how anyone's better then them there. Sure the MTA needs maintenance, but the borrough govt's know this and are working on finding ways to fix it.

The taxes are the only advantage I saw that the Texas locales had.

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Postby Cbdallas » 06 Nov 2018 11:01

If it ends up NYC DC then not very trans-formative and this whole deal ends up being a whole lot of hot air.

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Nov 2018 12:49

I have been very flat about this process from the beginning and now that it is over am pleased they did not come here. We are better off gathering a multitude of smaller deals with smaller numbers than one gigantic gorilla that can then tell the city what to do. Too many good things are happening here despite the endless criticism we get from our own on this forum. Dallas is a good deal, if it were not we would not be scoring so many HQ relocation's and business expansions. Many locations across the country would give a lot for a fraction of the success this region enjoys. Say goodbye to Amazon, we are better off without it.

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Postby whit5125 » 06 Nov 2018 13:27

Tnexster wrote:I have been very flat about this process from the beginning and now that it is over am pleased they did not come here. We are better off gathering a multitude of smaller deals with smaller numbers than one gigantic gorilla that can then tell the city what to do. Too many good things are happening here despite the endless criticism we get from our own on this forum. Dallas is a good deal, if it were not we would not be scoring so many HQ relocation's and business expansions. Many locations across the country would give a lot for a fraction of the success this region enjoys. Say goodbye to Amazon, we are better off without it.

No this is a loss, because this would have been a transformative shot in the arm for Downtown if Dallas doesn't get anything due to this just being a farce from the get go.

You are confusing Dallas getting relocations with Frisco and Plano.

They are separate cities than Dallas and despite all the hype regionalism has hurt Dallas more than helped it.

They are not one in the same , Dallas is loosing out on this front and if even half of the offices if Frisco or Plano Dallas would look totally different , especially as with Amazon we are talking about the CBD.

Plano / Frisco / Las Colinas getting relocations does not equal Dallas proper getting them.

This is going to be a loss for Downtown as I fear many of these projects we have been hearing about have been waiting on Amazon coming , and if they don't all of these development sites will now just sit as their owners struggle to get anything built due to banks not lending for offices unless there are tenants, leading to a catch 22 and development continuing the struggle.

I hope the market really proves me wrong here, but unless the city gets it's act together I don't see businesses choosing downtown over the cheap burbs without either ...

A. Massive pent up market demand is really there and the development around downtown finally truly spills into it and into the southern end of downtown.

B. Long tortured redevelopment plans and investments in downtown to make it more attractive such as HSR, Trinity River Park, etc. Being realised to make Downtown a bigger destination.

C. A harbinger to lead the transformation ....Amazon or another large corporate relocation.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby dallaz » 06 Nov 2018 13:40

Wow...tough room. These are only rumors (at least for now). It could always go the other way.

Hypothetically speaking, if Dallas isn’t selected....we will be just fine. We’re not an economically depressed city. Either way, I have a fairly positive outlook on the future of Dallas.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Tnexster » 06 Nov 2018 13:48

Even if Amazon played us, Dallas can learn from the HQ2 search

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/edit ... hq2-search

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby DPatel304 » 06 Nov 2018 13:54

dallaz wrote:Wow...tough room. These are only rumors (at least for now). It could always go the other way.

Hypothetically speaking, if Dallas isn’t selected....we will be just fine. We’re not an economically depressed city. Either way, I have a fairly positive outlook on the future of Dallas.


I'm still holding out hope that we nab HQ2.

With that said, I agree, we are not a depressed city at all. The forum's outlook on the CBD was extremely positive prior to all this HQ2 nonsense, and things have been going great since then. HQ2 would have really lead to explosive change in the CBD, but we were doing just fine before then, and I believe we will do just fine without them. While it did seem like we had a decent shot at this, competition was stiff, and I don't think people really saw this as 'ours to lose'.

I'm wondering how many projects will remain in limbo if we don't end up getting HQ2 though. It does seem like perhaps some people were waiting on the sidelines to see what Amazon would do. For example, does this mean Smart City doesn't happen, or does it still go forward with a different tenant?


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