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Postby Tnexster » 24 Aug 2018 11:37

Dallas economic development chief, leader of Amazon HQ2 effort resigns

Raquel Favela, Dallas’ chief of economic development and neighborhood services and the point person for the city’s response to Amazon’s HQ2 proposal, has resigned from her $240,000 post after 16 months on the job.

Favela, who has more than 20 years of experience working with government at the municipal, state and federal levels, was a key hire for City Manager T.C. Broadnax.

She developed a more proactive economic development strategy and reported directly to Broadnax, who tasked her with putting economic development, housing, neighborhood revitalization and code compliance under one roof.


https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... mazon.html

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby whit5125 » 24 Aug 2018 12:04

Well it can be a bad sign, it might be unrelated. Never under-estimate simple politics, or the desire to move to the private sector.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby mcrdal15 » 24 Aug 2018 12:06

Neither Dallas or Austin should qualify due to culture. Culturally, these cities and their residents don't see the value of walkable urbanism or public transportation. Trying to "pretend" isn't going to change that reality. Both cities (and most U.S. cities) belongs in the dustbin of poor urban planning. European & Asian cities are honestly the future, especially once we reach the Post-Oil Age. Canada is better prepared as well.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Aug 2018 12:38

mcrdal15 wrote:Neither Dallas or Austin should qualify due to culture. Culturally, these cities and their residents don't see the value of walkable urbanism or public transportation. Trying to "pretend" isn't going to change that reality. Both cities (and most U.S. cities) belongs in the dustbin of poor urban planning.


Nay, nay. These cities qualify for that very reason. Seattle wasn't pro public transportation until recently either. The bus system was completely overhauled; in part to due to Amazon. I would suspect the same to happen in Texas.

Both cities are trying to urbanize themselves; but you can't see the byproduct of that right away. Dallas' complete streets initiative is the a perfect example. Sure, We still have work to do on the zoning front. Exposed Garages, parking requirements... etc. I think the only way we make changes to zoning is if a PAC is created.

Politicians won't improve the urban nature of the city; unless their handlers say "do it". Amazon could be that impetus for Dallas.


But no worries, Amazon is headed to DC.. anyway.

Also... America is the world's suburb. We invented it. The drive thru, the Mall, Highway destruction of inner cities, the big box retailers, anemic transportation, and obesity! Woohoo!

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby TNWE » 24 Aug 2018 12:42

whit5125 wrote:
texasstar wrote:
TNWE wrote:
This is truly the strangest hobbyhorse of the Dallas urbanism crowd- There's plenty of "prime real estate" in the form of surface parking lots and dirt fields that should be developed before we start talking about tearing down existing civic infrastructure that brings a not-insignificant amount of walking, talking expense accounts that keep Downtown hotels and restaurants in business.

Do the people on NYC urban forums constantly fantasize about tearing down the oversized Javits center in favor of rent-controlled apartments?


Agreed, this drives me nuts as well.


Am I saying remove the whole Convention Center? No, I am saying shrink it by tearing down the old parts of it that are pretty much sitting empty most of the time anyway eating up maintenance costs. Namely the original parts of the Convention center that are also right next to city Hall and easier to tear down. Keep the newer portions as those actually get used and are too expensive to take down anyway.

Particularly the non -ADA compliant Memorial auditorium and the original sections around it.

It also so happens to be the more usable bit of the real estate anyway, and if I remember correctly, one of the Smart City plans had the auditorium portion replaced with a hotel.

It has been proven that the convention center is too big, not that it is useless, just that for the activity it gets (which is a lot) it still is too big and the older portions will only become more and more of a drain anyway.


After the mess with the Omni, do we really need another CC hotel where the arena is? The other portion to the north of the arena is already surrounded by a park, so the amount of space that could be developed pales in comparison to the two giant parking lots south of City Hall. Find a developer willing to build something big on those plots (and start building something at the Spire), then we can talk about demolishing the oldest sections for new development.

Anyway, the idea that the Convention Center is a net bad thing seems to stem more from antipathy towards the sort of events it hosts than any rational city planning strategy. Auto shows, the NRA, and Mary Kay don't exactly fit the demographics of the Urbanism crowd, so of course they'd think the convention center that hosts those events is unnecessary. If Dallas regularly hosted Dockless Avocado-sharing conventions, Highway-tearout rallies, and charismatic "Pray the car away" revivals at the CC, I imagine it wouldn't be called a waste of valuable land.

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Postby DPatel304 » 24 Aug 2018 12:43

mcrdal15 wrote:Neither Dallas or Austin should qualify due to culture. Culturally, these cities and their residents don't see the value of walkable urbanism or public transportation. Trying to "pretend" isn't going to change that reality. Both cities (and most U.S. cities) belongs in the dustbin of poor urban planning. European & Asian cities are honestly the future, especially once we reach the Post-Oil Age. Canada is better prepared as well.


Yes, we do have a huge disadvantage, in that regard, but there is no reason why we can't change. We have already changed a lot, and the urban core is just beginning. If a walkable, urban environment is THAT important to Amazon, yes, they shouldn't come to Texas. However, if it is only partially important to them and they see potential, then Texas is still an option, given all the other advantages we can offer.

I also don't think it's a culture thing, it's just human nature to do what is easiest. In DFW, the easiest way to get around is by car. If someone from DFW were to move to New York, they would most likely ditch their car and use public transportation, and, then same would be true if someone from New York moved to Plano. Even if it was a 'cultural' thing, Texas is seeing a huge influx of transplants who are bringing their respective cultures along with them.

I guess it really just depends on how much they value urban/walkable environments. We know it is something they value, but we have no idea how much they value it.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Aug 2018 13:11

TNWE wrote:Anyway, the idea that the Convention Center is a net bad thing seems to stem more from antipathy towards the sort of events it hosts than any rational city planning strategy. Auto shows, the NRA, and Mary Kay don't exactly fit the demographics of the Urbanism crowd, so of course they'd think the convention center that hosts those events is unnecessary. If Dallas regularly hosted Dockless Avocado-sharing conventions, Highway-tearout rallies, and charismatic "Pray the car away" revivals at the CC, I imagine it wouldn't be called a waste of valuable land.


Oh stop it, you're reaching. Most people don't even know what events are held at the CC.

Fact is, since Day 1 people were opposed to building it...because it cost a helluva lot of money.. not to mention the Omni faisco which you mentioned.

Let's not also overlook that the CC is actually mismanaged big time..for years! Which is why we looking for another private company to manage it...

There's little positive things to say about it..

We can't even say it looks good..

It was a money bag, after money bag, that we threw down that hole. And the surrounding area hasn't even improved. What posstive change has the CC brought?

I would argue that resurrgance of Downtown has been driven by the success of Uptown..not some CC. Uptown was a success because of Urban design.

Imagine if we invested that money, that was wasted on creating skybridges to a CC from a hotel, to actually improving the downtown area?!

.. Well planned cities don't largely depend on a CC as their bloodline for business;

Sure the CC brings some business to downtown...but most of our business is not a byproduct of that.

Those used funds were a missed opportunity for better investments.
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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby TNWE » 24 Aug 2018 14:43

DPatel304 wrote:I also don't think it's a culture thing, it's just human nature to do what is easiest. In DFW, the easiest way to get around is by car. If someone from DFW were to move to New York, they would most likely ditch their car and use public transportation, and, then same would be true if someone from New York moved to Plano. Even if it was a 'cultural' thing, Texas is seeing a huge influx of transplants who are bringing their respective cultures along with them.


AMEN! People in NYC would love to have speedy, convenient, on-demand door to door transportation they way people in Plano do, but the higher cost of living, heavy traffic, and expensive parking mean only the wealthiest can afford it. Fortunately for NYC's population, transit options are relatively abundant and (recent meltdowns aside) are safe and reliable, so people are willing to make the tradeoff and live without a car in NYC.

If car ownership in DFW were to suddenly become as expensive and onerous as it is in NYC, current car-only people wouldn't suddenly become DART riders- they'd move away altogether, because even getting around the urban core of Dallas (with the best transit coverage in the region) would still be a pain.

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Postby Matt777 » 24 Aug 2018 15:08

TNWE wrote:
AMEN! People in NYC would love to have speedy, convenient, on-demand door to door transportation they way people in Plano do, but the higher cost of living, heavy traffic, and expensive parking mean only the wealthiest can afford it. Fortunately for NYC's population, transit options are relatively abundant and (recent meltdowns aside) are safe and reliable, so people are willing to make the tradeoff and live without a car in NYC.

If car ownership in DFW were to suddenly become as expensive and onerous as it is in NYC, current car-only people wouldn't suddenly become DART riders- they'd move away altogether, because even getting around the urban core of Dallas (with the best transit coverage in the region) would still be a pain.


Exactly! And guess what, it is becoming more and more onerous and expensive! Not NYC levels, but with every company moving in and every multifamily building going up, it gets worse. I have been living in the core for a long time and can't believe how congested the streets are getting with traffic. We are NOT prepared for peak auto in central Dallas, and there's not currently good transit alternatives so you're right people will just LEAVE. We can't keep catering to just automobile owners in Dallas. We can't have that happen and be the next Detroit. We have to prepare, because the people are coming and going to keep coming, and at this point they're bringing their cars with them. Investing in public transit NOW is paramount. It's like when a doctor tells you "you're okay now, but you're getting older and need to improve your diet or it's going to cause serious problems soon." Are we going to put this city on a car/road/garage diet or just keep cramming them in?

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Postby TNWE » 24 Aug 2018 16:31

Matt777 wrote:Exactly! And guess what, it is becoming more and more onerous and expensive! Not NYC levels, but with every company moving in and every multifamily building going up, it gets worse. I have been living in the core for a long time and can't believe how congested the streets are getting with traffic. We are NOT prepared for peak auto in central Dallas, and there's not currently good transit alternatives so you're right people will just LEAVE. We can't keep catering to just automobile owners in Dallas. We can't have that happen and be the next Detroit. We have to prepare, because the people are coming and going to keep coming, and at this point they're bringing their cars with them. Investing in public transit NOW is paramount. It's like when a doctor tells you "you're okay now, but you're getting older and need to improve your diet or it's going to cause serious problems soon." Are we going to put this city on a car/road/garage diet or just keep cramming them in?


It's nowhere near NYC levels, even with the attempts to create traffic downtown where it didn't previously exist by converting one-way streets and eliminating lanes (but not the actual pavement). Owning a car in DFW is still a net benefit (by a wide margin) for all but a tiny fraction of people who have sufficient income to mitigate all the shortcomings of voluntarily not owning a car just to make a statement.

Even if it does get to that point, the sort of transit investments being pushed right now(D2, Downtown Streetcar link, platform extensions) do NOTHING to address DART's shortcomings as an alternative to private cars for 80% of the region, and eat up huge amounts of money that could go towards projects that might actually make transit practical for a meaningful portion of the population. But as long as the DART board and the Dallas City council are full of self-interested frauds obsessed with spending other people's money on pet projects, the people whose taxes actually pay the bills are going to continue driving their cars everywhere until they decide Dallas isn't a place worth living in and move away. But if we clean out the garbage on Marilla and Pacific (and maybe send some federal investigators in too - Carraway wasn't the only one on the take), maaaaybe it's salvageable.

(Oh, and by the way, if Amazon does wind up coming to town, you know that Bezos won't think twice about flexing his muscles any time the City council tries to squeeze him to pay for whatever boondoggle they've got up their sleeve)

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Matt777 » 24 Aug 2018 20:03

I agree that City Hall needs to be cleaned up, but you further prove my argument TNWE...... the mindset that ALL of DFW, every square inch of it, needs to be served by mass transit or transit be damned. That false thinking is why we have the lackluster system we have. DART needs to serve the dense, urban areas, with a few commuter lines out to the suburbs. That's IT. Great service over 80% of the region, and limited options of the other 20%. If you look at the NYC metro area and it's suburbs, they don't have subway lines running through the suburbs. 80% of the land area in the greater NYC area is served by limited commuter rail. The heavy service is in the dense urban core. Let's focus on the 20% where it is actually needed. Let's invest in that. The rest, the 80%, the suburbs, will be fine with or without rail. The urban 20% cannot continue to ingest rising and massive amounts of personal vehicles. There WILL be a breaking point.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Tnexster » 11 Sep 2018 21:44

No HQ2 news is planned, but Jeff Bezos and Amazon's board are heading to Washington D.C.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ama ... hington-dc

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Sep 2018 08:32

Writing was on the wall.

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Postby muncien » 12 Sep 2018 09:28

The top sponsor of the event is a new nonprofit group, the Washington Housing Initiative, dedicated to addressing the area's shortage of affordable housing, a problem that some local experts say Amazon's arrival could exacerbate.


If indeed the DC area is selected for HQ2, it will certainly be proof that this entire ordeal was a farce. I've stated repeatedly here how DC fails one of the most significant challenges Amazon faces in Seattle... Affordability. Other than maybe Boston or NYC, this region has one of the highest cost of living among the HQ2 contenders and will do nothing to address those challenges. Hi cost of living means EXPENSIVE work force.
If HQ2 does go to DC area... it will be specifically because Bezos wanted it to go there, and intended it to go there all along. I won't necessarily fault him for the charade, as it is a good business decision; but it will leave a lot of unhappy municipalities in the wake. Municipalities that that Amazon may not want to upset as they constantly find themselves in quasi-legal battles with, already (taxes, drones, pay, waste, etc).
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Postby eburress » 12 Sep 2018 09:43

Since it seems so clear HQ2 is DC-bound, my best case scenario at this point would be for the HQ2 to be split across a few cities, one of which being Dallas. Hillwood Properties' president suggested this was a possibility a few months ago in an article, and there would be some logic in Amazon having a presence in the west, central, and eastern US.

"Perot's top real estate exec — Hillwood Properties president Mike Berry — predicts Amazon may decide it likes more than one U.S. location.

"I think what they will end up doing is take all these great ideas and all the things presented to them and target up two or three regional headquarters options," Berry said."


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... amazon-hq2

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Sep 2018 09:46

Their desire to be on the East Coast was known from the start. I don't see harm by this though; they're simply using the other Deals as leverage for selecting DC.
I'm sure the tea party they're having will be all wheeling and dealing.

I don't see how this will be transformational for DC though. Perhaps this will be the impetus they need to repair their metro.

Maybe this will get other projects that have been waiting for a decision a reason to move on. Hopefully Dallas can keep on chugging along.

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Postby whit5125 » 12 Sep 2018 10:40

Yeah, the only East coast city that I ever thought was a threat to Dallas was Atlanta...maybe Philly but Dallas and Atlanta both had it beat in many of Amazon's important factors.

If it is DC, it is only because Bezos wants to be there, and this was a farce.

From a business standpoint having a presence on the East Coast and DC does make sense, but not for the entire HQ2 to be in DC where it is hellacously expensive.

The possible HQ2 being split into two, one for the East Coast and one for the Central does make sense, and if that is the Case Dallas is a sure fire bet to get the remaining Half or whatever of the HQ2 (HQ3?) workforce..as it has Austin beat in every other regard.

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Postby DPatel304 » 12 Sep 2018 10:44

The only chance we have is if HQ2 is split (which seems possibly given how big HQ2 has been touted to be). Either way, I'm just ready to be done with all of this nonsense so the world can finally move on. I'm sure there are a lot of people waiting on the sidelines waiting to see what happens with this, so, as a result, some big decisions are probably on hold.

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Postby tamtagon » 12 Sep 2018 11:04

I don't know what sort of spin the local news in Dallas puts on this dealio, but the ones in Atlanta present the "updates" as if Atlanta has already been chosen.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Sep 2018 11:08

tamtagon wrote:I don't know what sort of spin the local news in Dallas puts on this dealio, but the ones in Atlanta present the "updates" as if Atlanta has already been chosen.


They bout to be boeing-ed.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Tnexster » 12 Sep 2018 12:00

Just announce it and end this mess.

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Postby Tnexster » 13 Sep 2018 18:12

Could Amazon's search for senior recruiters ‘based in Dallas’ foreshadow HQ2 choice?

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ed-in.html

Amazon is searching for senior recruiters to be based in Dallas, possibly foreshadowing the location for the e-retailer’s massive second headquarters, which will employ 50,000 people.

But don't read too much into that.

The Amazon HR Talent Acquisition team will conduct first-round interviews for technical and nontechnical recruiters in Dallas and other U.S. locations in late September, according to this job listing.

That particular listing — for multiple recruiter positions — mentions Dallas and makes no specific reference to any of the other 19 metro areas that Amazon (Nasdaq: AMZN) is considering for HQ2.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Waldozer » 14 Sep 2018 08:16

The plot thickens...yawn.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Sep 2018 08:25

When they announce I will consider the game over. Just cause Bezos took the board for a fancy dinner to DC means peanuts.

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Postby Tnexster » 14 Sep 2018 15:35

Amazon has joined the DC Chamber of Commerce......just announce it already. This is so dumb.

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Postby Tnexster » 18 Sep 2018 21:10

Dallas fares well in operating cost comparisons for Amazon’s HQ2

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... isons.html

Dallas fares well in a comparison of costs of operating Amazon's second headquarters in 20 finalist cities, according to an analysis prepared by a global site selection firm.

The Boyd Co., a New Jersey-based location consultancy, compared the costs of payroll and benefits, electricity, amortization, property and sales tax for an “Amazon HQ2-like” corporate headquarters with 50,000 employees and 8 million square feet of Class A office space. Startup and relocation costs were not considered.

Dallas ranked seventh cheapest among the 20 Amazon (Nasdaq: AMZN) HQ2 finalists, with a total annual operating cost of slightly over $7.1 billion.

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Postby Tnexster » 18 Sep 2018 21:13

DFW should expect answers on Amazon HQ2 later rather than sooner

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... n-hq2.html

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Dallas-Fort Worth and other finalists for Amazon’s second headquarters should expect an announcement from the company after the midterm elections, a top global site selector said Monday.


..not soon enough, honestly. So we'll be waiting until at least Nov 6th, 2018.

I feel like they will do one more shorter 'short list' to try and extract more incentives, before they finalize on one city. Their last 'short list' wasn't short at all, which is why I believe we'll see another one.

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Postby tamtagon » 18 Sep 2018 22:02

I think the Atlanta City Council is ready to offer to $2 Billion package deal to Amazon. Something like tax abatement or whatever.


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Where is there any new information presented by this website that should lead us to believe the decision is "imminent?" Looks like a fluff piece to me, and one with bad data. Anybody ranking Austin above Dallas and wayyyy above Los Angeles for amount of tech talent should be thrown in the trash where it belongs. It's simply false. Austin has a large tech workforce for the city's size, but it's nowhere near the sheer number of people employed in tech in DFW and Los Angeles.

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Postby DPatel304 » 15 Oct 2018 13:52

Yeah, just another fluff piece about nothing. Amazon originally said they would make their announcement this year, and, recently, they did say they would wait until after the election. Assuming they stick to their word, we should have an announcement sometime in that timeframe, but who knows at this point, really.

EDIT: Looks like he re-iterated the end of year deadline last month, so it seems likely he will stick to that promise.
We'll know where Amazon will build its second major headquarters before the year ends, company chief Jeff Bezos has revealed during a speech in Washington.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/14/ama ... -announce/

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Postby Cbdallas » 15 Oct 2018 15:40

Winner will be announced at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade with an extra 10% off for Amazon Prime members.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Oct 2018 09:20

10% at Macy's or Amazon? ;)

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Oct 2018 09:24

New idea; Amazon buys what's left of Sears stores around the country invest in new buildings on those sites and rehab what parts they can. Spread those reinvestment dollars to many dying malls that could use a major employer to provide new life and ideas on flipping old indoor malls. ;)

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Postby Tnexster » 16 Oct 2018 12:42

Top 10 Dallas-Fort Worth locations primed for Amazon HQ2

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... n-hq2.html

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Postby Tnexster » 16 Oct 2018 12:48

Would landing HQ2 cause Dallas home prices to skyrocket?

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... es-to.html

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Postby muncien » 16 Oct 2018 13:01

Tnexster wrote:Top 10 Dallas-Fort Worth locations primed for Amazon HQ2

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... n-hq2.html


How is Las Colinas not on this list?
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Postby eburress » 16 Oct 2018 13:22

muncien wrote:
Tnexster wrote:Top 10 Dallas-Fort Worth locations primed for Amazon HQ2

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... n-hq2.html


How is Las Colinas not on this list?


That is surprising. It would seem Las Colinas meets as much of Amazon's criteria as many of these sites.

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Postby whit5125 » 16 Oct 2018 13:46

eburress wrote:
muncien wrote:
Tnexster wrote:Top 10 Dallas-Fort Worth locations primed for Amazon HQ2

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... n-hq2.html


How is Las Colinas not on this list?


That is surprising. It would seem Las Colinas meets as much of Amazon's criteria as many of these sites.


No it is not to anyone following the development from the beginning and reading into Amazons requirements and stated preferences.

Plus when they toured DFW they only went to the proposed sites in and around Downtown Dallas supposedly months back.

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Postby ContriveDallasite » 16 Oct 2018 13:48

whit5125 wrote:
eburress wrote:
muncien wrote:
How is Las Colinas not on this list?


That is surprising. It would seem Las Colinas meets as much of Amazon's criteria as many of these sites.


No it is not to anyone following the development from the beginning and reading into Amazons requirements and stated preferences.

Plus when they toured DFW they only went to the proposed sites in and around Downtown Dallas supposedly months back.


If Amazon goes to DC, it's most likely going in the Tyson Corner area. That's just as urban and connected as Las Colinas Urban Center IMO.

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Postby muncien » 16 Oct 2018 14:13

whit5125 wrote:
eburress wrote:
muncien wrote:
How is Las Colinas not on this list?


That is surprising. It would seem Las Colinas meets as much of Amazon's criteria as many of these sites.


No it is not to anyone following the development from the beginning and reading into Amazons requirements and stated preferences.

Plus when they toured DFW they only went to the proposed sites in and around Downtown Dallas supposedly months back.


Victory, Reunion, and the Smart District are the only three on the list that better meet Amazon's criteria than Las Colinas does.

Alliance, Allen, etc... Really?

Plus when they toured DFW they only went to the proposed sites in and around Downtown Dallas supposedly months back.

And where exactly did this come from? ^^^^ I have never heard this mentioned once.
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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Oct 2018 15:05

muncien wrote:And where exactly did this come from? ^^^^ I have never heard this mentioned once.


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ama ... own-dallas

From March 6th 2018

Amazon has already visited D-FW in HQ2 search, favors downtown Dallas

Amazon officials visited Dallas in February, sources said a day after company officials confirmed plans to visit all 20 of the metro areas the corporate mammoth put on a shortlist for its coveted second headquarters.

And among the vast array of possible sites regional leaders have offered up for Amazon’s so-called HQ2, the ones in downtown Dallas seemed to be the frontrunners, four sources confirmed to The Dallas Morning News.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Oct 2018 15:15

Also Dallas Business Journal suggests same thing...

Published March 7th 2018

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ur-of.html

Amazon officials hit Dallas-Fort Worth on tour of HQ2 finalist sites

...The DFW-area proposal includes pitches from about a dozen cities and lays out more than 30 potential sites for HQ2. The official regional proposal has not been disclosed, but many city officials, developers, property owners and architects have spoken to the Dallas Business Journal about their proposals.

Sites in downtown Dallas seemed to be the frontrunners when Amazon visited in February, sources familiar with the search said.

In addition to Dallas, Fort Worth, Frisco, Allen, Plano, Irving, Richardson, Denton, Carrollton and Westlake are among the North Texas cities believed to be represented in the DFW packet sent to Amazon...

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby muncien » 17 Oct 2018 09:19

That's good 'an all, and I agree that Downtown sites are favored (I even stated the same thing). But the statement I was questioning said...
they only went to the proposed sites in and around Downtown


I never heard of such a visit...
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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Kelley USA » 17 Oct 2018 10:26

I just want to make a few points... As a resident of Las Colinas and someone that knows people at the Chamber, I can confirm that Amazon did indeed tour the Las Colinas area. Now, with that said I think the chances of Amazon coming to Las Colinas are probably about 0.00001%. However, Amazon has been playing this thing close to the vest from the get-go. Let's say they were actually interested in Las Colinas. Wouldn't it actually make sense for them to float the suggestion that they were more interested in a Downtown Dallas location? It keeps people off track while actually keeping land cost and available office space cost down here in Las Colinas. Or if I was Amazon that's what I would do. I still think the former Texas Stadium site would be a great spot, but I'm a little bias :)

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 17 Oct 2018 11:00

muncien wrote:That's good 'an all, and I agree that Downtown sites are favored (I even stated the same thing). But the statement I was questioning said...
they only went to the proposed sites in and around Downtown


I never heard of such a visit...


So what part do you question? The part where they visited Dallas at all or that they only visited the Downtownish sites? Cause the article clearly states Amazon visited the top 20 cities without any question. As for only visiting the Downtownish sites that's a harder thing to prove because the mayor will not comment on whether they made a return visit as they did for other cities in the top margin of the original 20.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Oct 2018 12:23

No news till after the election and of course the News is trying to find content for regular publication because the Amazon story is great click bate but I do think this quick synopsis of what Bezos did in Seattle before is good to hear. He may not be thinking the same now as he did then but still worth reading.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ama ... ban-choice

In Seattle, Amazon founder and CEO Jeff Bezos made an urban decision. Amazon started moving into Seattle's South Lake Union area when it was a downtrodden, 170-acre area of mostly parking lots and abandoned buildings. Now, its high-rise offices have cafeterias but they aren't big enough to feed lunch to everyone who works there. That's by design. Bezos wants most Amazon employees to spend money at businesses nearby, to be sure the neighborhood stays vibrant.

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Re: Could Dallas land Amazon HQ '2'?

Postby Kelley USA » 24 Oct 2018 12:37

I read this article last week and forgot to post it... Indicates that Amazon has revisited New York, Newark, Chicago and has followed-up with Miami and Washington DC. Article also states that other cities like Raleigh have not heard from Amazon in months. No mention of Dallas or Austin in the article.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/am ... n-imminent


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