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Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 22 Aug 2018 15:45
by Tivo_Kenevil
Did these losers even attempt to try to lure Amazon?

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 22 Aug 2018 15:52
by cowboyeagle05
Yes, it was on the Amazon regional proposal. Most of the Amazon proposals weren't made public

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 22 Aug 2018 19:11
by Matt777
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Did these losers even attempt to try to lure Amazon?


If Amazon does choose to purchase the land from Spire and work with their own developer to develop it then I will applaud Spire for assembling the land, sitting on it, and being incapable of developing it haha! They would be winners in my book!

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 22 Aug 2018 21:57
by Tnexster
Wow, just what we need on Ross, especially with all those giant new parking garages going up.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 03:34
by ContriveDallasite
Every time I see this thread reactive I get a little excited. It's ridiculous the amount of projects that have started-/finished in the time that Spire was first announced.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 09:14
by cowboyeagle05
Part of it is that Spire just hasn't been able to achieve some legitimacy in the developer community. They want to be Trammel Crow but have mostly just owned and remodeled existing office spaces. They can not seem to convince anyone to let them develop space from the ground up.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 09:28
by whit5125
Here is how extra stupid this gets....they could just simply sell the damn land and still make a profit. They arent going to be attracting anyone to develop as clearly no one trusts them and they cant manage it in the first place.

Hell they could hold on to part of the land if they really want to get in the game and eventually prove themselves, but they cant manage developing this entire plot but they still could come out ahead and make money. This is beyond idiotic.

Cant City Hall get off of their collective asses and do something for just freaking once?

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 11:35
by Tucy
ContriveDallasite wrote:Every time I see this thread reactive I get a little excited. It's ridiculous the amount of projects that have started-/finished in the time that Spire was first announced.


To be fair, while I agree there is reason for skepticism about whether Spire can pull off such a development, we have to admit that a big part of the problem is still downtown Dallas. What projects in downtown Dallas have started and finished since Spire was first announced (2011, IIRC)? (I think the list may start with KPMG Plaza and end with 1900 Pearl.)

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 11:39
by Tucy
whit5125 wrote:Cant City Hall get off of their collective asses and do something for just freaking once?


What would you have the city do?

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 11:41
by cowboyeagle05
City hall shouldn't and can't take the land. It's not needed for some grand civic project and while I hope Spire sells I do believe they have the right to sit on the property if they think its a smart decision for their own business. I am a big supporter of things for the greater good like mass transit but I do think property rights should be respected in some form.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 11:43
by cowboyeagle05
Tucy wrote:
ContriveDallasite wrote:Every time I see this thread reactive I get a little excited. It's ridiculous the amount of projects that have started-/finished in the time that Spire was first announced.


To be fair, while I agree there is reason for skepticism about whether Spire can pull off such a development, we have to admit that a big part of the problem is still downtown Dallas. What projects in downtown Dallas have started and finished since Spire was first announced (2011, IIRC)? (I think the list may start with KPMG Plaza and end with 1900 Pearl.)


I am assuming you mean major office projects.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 12:10
by tamtagon
They're holding until the iron is hottest, up to a decade. The HQ2 cavalcade has focused and highlighted three parts of downtown - Reunion-Convention Center, Victory Park-West End, Smart Dallas (City Hall-Convention Center) - and these three will rule the massive scale development. Spire could sell or partner with Hall or Billingsley to thoroughly torque this downtown acreage into a Rockefeller Plaza sort of dealio.

I would absolutely love to see The Crow Asian Collection (or the Crow rare books, statuary and art collection) expand in dramatic form that aims the Arts District toward the Latino Cultural Center and that would include a Spire-Billingsley deal. But also, Hall is famous for Texas art collecting and the same effect could happen. Dallas could really use a prominent Modern Art Museum, though, and neither Crow/Billingsley nor Hall seem to have as much a taste for modern art.

Kicking off a new philanthropic collaboration founded by the Crow Family & Craig Hall would certainly demand the attention of Spire, could even command cooperation for a new venue in an Arts District annex.

Nothing much should be expected with the Spire property until the next lifetime of I-345 has been determined.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 23 Aug 2018 16:47
by Tucy
cowboyeagle05 wrote:
Tucy wrote:
ContriveDallasite wrote:Every time I see this thread reactive I get a little excited. It's ridiculous the amount of projects that have started-/finished in the time that Spire was first announced.


To be fair, while I agree there is reason for skepticism about whether Spire can pull off such a development, we have to admit that a big part of the problem is still downtown Dallas. What projects in downtown Dallas have started and finished since Spire was first announced (2011, IIRC)? (I think the list may start with KPMG Plaza and end with 1900 Pearl.)


I am assuming you mean major office projects.


I mean major projects. Are there other projects downtown that were started and completed since 2011?

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 24 Aug 2018 08:03
by Jay9398
Tucy wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:
Tucy wrote:
To be fair, while I agree there is reason for skepticism about whether Spire can pull off such a development, we have to admit that a big part of the problem is still downtown Dallas. What projects in downtown Dallas have started and finished since Spire was first announced (2011, IIRC)? (I think the list may start with KPMG Plaza and end with 1900 Pearl.)


I am assuming you mean major office projects.


I mean major projects. Are there other projects downtown that were started and completed since 2011?


If you're going to try to be pedantic you should at least specify your criteria for what constitutes a "major project."

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 25 Aug 2018 17:09
by Tnexster
tamtagon wrote:Nothing much should be expected with the Spire property until the next lifetime of I-345 has been determined.


That doesn't seem to hold anything else back. Epic is right up next to it and building high and mighty, not sure why 345 would hold back the Spire property.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 25 Aug 2018 20:23
by Hannibal Lecter
^ Because if they remove I-345 it will greatly reduce demand for office space downtown, especially in that area.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 26 Aug 2018 13:21
by cowboyeagle05
And round and round we go...

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 26 Aug 2018 16:14
by Tnexster
Hannibal Lecter wrote:^ Because if they remove I-345 it will greatly reduce demand for office space downtown, especially in that area.


If

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 10 Oct 2018 17:01
by maconahey
Spire's new parking lot

Image

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 10 Oct 2018 21:23
by Tnexster
I think we can call this project dead.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 10:25
by Tivo_Kenevil
Haha. It was never a alive.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 12:21
by cowboyeagle05
Can we also say the same about Billingsley Two Arts Plaza...

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 12:37
by tamtagon
^Billingsley is almost certainly waiting for the right combination, might even be trying to buy Spire.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 12:43
by dallaz
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Haha. It was never a alive.

:lol:

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 13:53
by Tnexster
I've wondered what ever happened to Two Arts, all of that just kind of went away, I guess she moved her focus to Cypress Waters.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 15:50
by eburress
^^ I'm kind of glad Two Arts never happened. For such a prominent location I feel the buildings' design should have been so much stronger.

Re: Arts District: The Spire Mixed Use Project

Posted: 11 Oct 2018 16:23
by Tnexster
eburress wrote:^^ I'm kind of glad Two Arts never happened. For such a prominent location I feel the buildings' design should have been so much stronger.


Yeah I was never crazy about the design, especially the corner facing Central, felt like that deserved something that sort of anchored the corner of downtown and was sort of like, well.....more eye candy than was was offered.