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Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 18 May 2020 22:02

The way it was explained to me is that the only thing paused in Dallas is the finish out of the space inside the building already built. The new building being built for Uber is still going up as usual as seen on camera.
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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby utgf » 21 May 2020 23:52

dfwcre8tive wrote:
willyk wrote:Too many pessimists on this string...

Will Uber ride off to Dallas with its headquarters?

As cost-cutting pressures mount, speculation intensifies that Uber could move its San Francisco headquarters to lower-cost Dallas.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc ... rters.html


Two weeks after cutting 3,700 jobs, Uber slashes another 3,000, closes an SF office
https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/Uber-job-cuts-layoffs-offices-closed-15278127.php

The 6,700 jobs are equal to 25% of the San Francisco-based company's global work force. Uber is also shutting or consolidating 40 offices around the world; its Pier 70 office in San Francisco is set to close.


Uber Lays Off Another 3,000 Workers, Bringing This Round to 6,700
Uber is reportedly still moving ahead to consolidate workers into its swanky new offices in Mission Bay, adjacent to the Chase Center. But 500 workers who have been in offices on Pier 70 nearby will be moving in first as the company says it will close that office entirely

As of May 12, Uber had only indicated that 52 of its initially announced 3,700 job cuts were in the Bay Area

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The pier 70 offices look amazing. But before the covid-19 lockdown, google was in talks to lease 1.5 million square feet of office space there, on top of the 1.9 million they currently lease in San Francisco alone.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Tnexster » 25 May 2020 10:35

^That's a nice plan, thanks for sharing. Always like to see what other cities have planned.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby deweast » 28 May 2020 14:09

Anyone have any intel on what is being fabricated in the sub basement of this building. It appears to be perhaps a filtering process or some sort of special need that Uber has designated. :idea: ?

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby BigD5349 » 29 Jun 2020 14:57

Installation of the new crown is complete...

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Tnexster » 30 Jun 2020 17:01

On the Agenda: Tapping the ‘breaks’ on Uber

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... allas.html

Uber has now requested that the initial 2023 effective date be changed to 2025, that the initial job creation requirement of 2,500 new jobs be changed to 1,000, and that a job creation schedule now be used to determine the number of jobs that have to be created after 2025.

Since the total number of jobs that will be created and exist during the abatement’s 10-year period will have been reduced by about 20 percent, the county staff made a corresponding reduction in the business personal property abatement for those years that would now have a lower requirement than what was previously in place.

Uber would not receive the original 90 percent BPP abatement until the original 3,000 job level has been met.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby DPatel304 » 01 Jul 2020 09:37

That's pretty significant, but I suppose I'm not surprised. I really hope that this plan is now realistic for them even given the circumstances and they are able to stick to it. I'd really hate to see this fall through.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Tnexster » 27 Jul 2020 16:03

The Hamilton new high-rise apartments hits 25 percent occupancy in Deep Ellum

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ellum.html

The Hamilton apartment high-rise in Deep Ellum, which opened just as the COVID-19 pandemic hit North Texas, is about 25 percent occupied, its developers say.

The 26-floor building by Westdale Real Estate Investment and Management and StreetLights Residential is in The Epic mixed-use development in Deep Ellum.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Warrior2015 » 27 Jul 2020 18:18

Tnexster wrote:The Hamilton new high-rise apartments hits 25 percent occupancy in Deep Ellum

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ellum.html

The Hamilton apartment high-rise in Deep Ellum, which opened just as the COVID-19 pandemic hit North Texas, is about 25 percent occupied, its developers say.

The 26-floor building by Westdale Real Estate Investment and Management and StreetLights Residential is in The Epic mixed-use development in Deep Ellum.

Is this good?

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby BigD5349 » 27 Jul 2020 19:50

A peek inside the Knights of Pythias through the front window...

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby exelone31 » 28 Jul 2020 09:17

^ wow, that looks really nice. I am so happy that this building has been restored.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby mdg109 » 28 Jul 2020 12:12

That's awesome!

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jul 2020 14:19

My question is was there any original interiors left after they let the building literally rot for decades. They ignored the City of Dallas when City Hall tried to start enforcing code violations on historical structures rules that the city have been enforcing for years. Then all of a sudden when the Uber deal finally materialized they magically cared about preserving the building and getting funds based on its historical value to the community. I know they are the more recent owners in the entire history of the building but they failed to stabilize the building when they took possession more than 20 yrs ago. I don't have the actually date nailed down however. I just want to hear the VHL Behind the Music version of the buildings history including interior uses. I've read details on the buildings overall history but how did the interior change over time. Was any original left or did multiple owners truly scrape the building of original architecture to make it operational for other past uses.
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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby LBK2013 » 29 Jul 2020 16:16

cowboyeagle05 wrote:My question is was there any original interiors left after they let the building literally rot for decades. They ignored the City of Dallas when City Hall tried to start enforcing code violations on historical structures rules that the city have been enforcing for years. Then all of a sudden when the Uber deal finally materialized they magically cared about preserving the building and getting funds based on its historical value to the community. I know they are the more recent owners in the entire history of the building but they failed to stabilize the building when they took possession more than 20 yrs ago. I don't have the actually date nailed down however. I just want to hear the VHL Behind the Music version of the buildings history including interior uses. I've read details on the buildings overall history but how did the interior change over time. Was any original left or did multiple owners truly scrape the building of original architecture to make it operational for other past uses.


https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/kni ... le-6375072

This article is a decent read. The first half is about Pittman and the second a brief history of the building. I don't know that much original interior would have been left once Union Banker converted it to office space. That wasn't really the MO of companies back then and especially not one of a company who fought so hard against it being marked as historical.

At any rate it sounds like the insides were in pretty bad shape. I would image in was completely gutted for the current project.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby BigD5349 » 29 Jul 2020 21:00

I took a tour of the building more than 10 years ago, for a project that didn't get off the ground. The building was completely gutted back to the studs, no walls, rooms, etc - just big open floor plates. The only recognizable remnant of the original interior was the staircase between floors, which was in bad shape.

the original grand ballroom, which was two floors tall, had a floor plate inserted to create an additional floor of office space. My understanding is that the ballroom has been restored to two levels, which will be dramatic and great, but I'm sure with a modern vibe nothing at all like the original.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 30 Jul 2020 09:41

Thanks to both for your contributions^ Some historical buildings all we get are the shells of the former self sadly.
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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Tnexster » 30 Jul 2020 17:05

Looks like construction has reached ground level already.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby deweast » 30 Jul 2020 18:05

What is the reason for all the below level apparatus in this building? They have been installing several layers of what appear to be “flow through” devices covered by concrete. Anyone know?

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Warrior2015 » 03 Aug 2020 16:12

BigD5349 wrote:A peek inside the Knights of Pythias through the front window...

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This is truly beautiful. I'm really digging the new construction of these projects in dallas. Very nice on the inside.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby OrangeMike » 11 Aug 2020 17:43

CultureMap has a new preview article about the restaurant:
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/rest ... aham-dodds

The hotel site is live, if like me you had not seen it already:
https://www.pittmanhoteldallas.com/

I also found a great “before” photo on a City of Dallas historic preservation page.
https://dallascityhall.com/departments/ ... emple.aspx

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby itsjrd1964 » 12 Aug 2020 06:12

I hope the hotel can get past the initial sight-seer/interested-gawker stage. It may take the owners/developers a *while* to make their money back. The website photos of the interiors really look nice. I wouldn't mind a couple of those green guest room chairs.

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Re: Deep Ellum: Epic ~ Knights of Pythias Temple

Postby Tnexster » 01 Sep 2020 12:54

Epic II already above grade.


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