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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 09 Jul 2019 10:13

Yes, and the Trump hotel was a lot more bark and not much bite.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Cbdallas » 13 Aug 2019 13:57

Went to see a movie at Alamo on Sunday and I used to live at the Sears lofts back in 2000. We were pioneers when we moved over there but I always thought the whole area had great potential. A lot has been done but it still needs to have that one big thing happen to make it all pop and come together. Not sure what that is but would love to see this area rise up and really connect with downtown. Maybe it will be the bullet train I don't know...

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby DPatel304 » 13 Aug 2019 14:43

Cbdallas wrote:Went to see a movie at Alamo on Sunday and I used to live at the Sears lofts back in 2000. We were pioneers when we moved over there but I always thought the whole area had great potential. A lot has been done but it still needs to have that one big thing happen to make it all pop and come together. Not sure what that is but would love to see this area rise up and really connect with downtown. Maybe it will be the bullet train I don't know...


Yeah, the area is still lacking cohesiveness. It needs a bigger scale development (like the "SoGood") one to really bring it all together. Or, like you said, the HSR station would really kick things into overdrive there.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 04 Oct 2019 07:12

Wow, they really are adding that giant baby-proofing on the building. Posted to Cedars Neighborhood Facebook page.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Matt777 » 04 Oct 2019 09:42

Yikes, I was hoping that design element near the roof was going to end up on the cutting room floor hahahaha.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby DBadger » 04 Oct 2019 10:14

For being the facade of the building, these are extremely small windows. Very odd looking.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Oct 2019 10:25

The building just reminds me of a dilapidated Disney Land hotel.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Oct 2019 10:43

It's ugly. But At least it's original.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 04 Oct 2019 11:08

DBadger wrote:For being the facade of the building, these are extremely small windows. Very odd looking.


The part of the building underneath the bump might be a stairwell or some type of common area, according to the renderings.

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If it wasn't posted before, here's the fly-through video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJlwoK ... sSkS3UF9tU

cowboyeagle05 wrote:The building just reminds me of a dilapidated Disney Land hotel.


Ha, just add a slime fountain and you're at the Nickelodeon Hotel

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 09 Dec 2019 11:17

California short-term stay firm lands in Dallas’ Cedars district
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -district/

Sonder is one of several companies that are renting blocks of residences to operate as hotel spaces in buildings all over the country.

Now Sonder is taking the top floor of a building in Dallas’ Cedars neighborhood just south of downtown.

The company will create 14 short-stay units in the historic Hotel Newland building on south Akard Street near Interstate 30.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby BigD5349 » 09 Dec 2019 20:13

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 13 Jan 2020 11:47

Site of Dallas’ famous Sportatorium sells to developer Jack Matthews
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -has-sold/

“I have no immediate plans but will be part of the whole new development there,” said developer Jack Matthews, who owns more than 50 acres of adjoining land on Cadiz.


Another sad reminder that any development on this side of the Cedars is completely dependent on HSR, and even the Water Gardens project looks stalled. The city and TxDOT did a decent job with infrastructure improvements here, so you'd think that would attract some new businesses.

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Being that this intersection is so easy to get to from Kessler Park, which is still "dry", I wouldn't mind seeing a decent liquor store like Total Wine set up here. Better than another empty lot that adds nothing to the 50 acres of future plans.
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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Jan 2020 13:06

Matthews owns most of the available land and anyone left with smaller properties is going to wait on HSR either way. They know they can make more money waiting on HSR than building now. I see something similar in Garland where they built Firewheel. One developer owns all the retail zoned land around the mall. They also owned the land the mall was built on. They feel no rush cause they control the pace of development. Matthews Southwest has the same control in the Cedars there is no gold rush to develop because most of the desired property is under one guy's control.

My bet is Matthews Southwest will also soon own the land currently proposed for that big retail and residential development between Woodall Rogers and Commerce around the jails and they will sit on that property too.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby MC_ScattCat » 13 Jan 2020 13:12

cowboyeagle05 wrote:My bet is Matthews Southwest will also soon own the land currently proposed for that big retail and residential development between Woodall Rogers and Commerce around the jails and they will sit on that property too.


I live in North Oak Cliff and everytime I cross the Trinity (almost daily) I daydream about all the land around the jail being condo towers.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby BigD5349 » 13 Jan 2020 19:49

^I fantasize about the jail being moved off of the river front. Yes, fantasy I know...

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby mrmandalay » 14 Jan 2020 01:45

Riverfront Blvd is one shitty stretch of road, that's for sure. I hope for some serious effort on the city's end to make that mess of an area more appealing.

The Tarrant County jail is an eyesore in an unfortunate location too, but they've done a respectable job mitigating the ugliness with the new cell additions.


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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 31 Jan 2020 07:30

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I've never understood the situation with Belleview between Browder and Orr St, where it was closed off for years as if the Cedars didn't already have a terrible grid.

Yesterday I noticed the street was open to traffic and Centre Living Homes is building 15 homes across from Four Corners Brewing.

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Also saw some older buildings along Akard cleaned up and ready for tenants.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 31 Jan 2020 09:23

I believe those commercial buildings are part of 42 Real Estates holdings. The company that redid the core of Deep Ellum. They have basically shifted their focus on redoing The Cedars now that Deep Ellum is crowded with developers.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 04 Feb 2020 15:09

Pretty sure this is the current plan for the building(s) that will replace the Ambassador. The tower looks to be about 24 stories with a garage podium taking up much of the abandoned section of S. Saint Paul. Another building facing I-30 is likely a boutique hotel.

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Notice there is some kind of partial reproduction of the old building in its original footprint.
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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Feb 2020 15:13

Seems overly ambitious for this area.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Cbdallas » 04 Feb 2020 15:42

That would be great. If we could get this going and then get the few towers across the river going we would be growing up in every direction around downtown core.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Tnexster » 04 Feb 2020 16:38

I like ambitious on this side of downtown. The time is right.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Matt777 » 04 Feb 2020 18:46

This will be a catalyst for the revival of that area. Do I see a frame-like structure in the profile of the old Ambassador? I'm talking about the right side corner of the building on the right.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Thymant » 05 Feb 2020 03:21

It seems like this project is more overdue than ambitious, it's right across the highway from some of the hottest neighborhoods and most expensive real estate in Dallas. It even has some successful assets in the neighborhood that is not to far away (i.e. Alamo Draft-house, Four corners, etc.). And if this actually happens, I hate to say it but I always thought there might be a possibility that the Ambassador fire could have been "intentional". But maybe I'm just stirring the pot.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby lakewoodhobo » 05 Feb 2020 08:09

I’m bullish on this part of the Cedars as well, and I don’t think a new tower is overly ambitious especially if the I-30 reconstruction is done correctly.

Even if the deck park connecting Old City Park to Farmers Market doesn’t pan out, the current plan to demolish St. Paul over the canyon will be a huge win by drastically diminishing foot traffic from the Bridge. Of course that just makes it “someone else’s problem” but from a numbers perspective it makes sense to finance a MF tower and hotel here.

Add to the fact that nothing is getting built on the west side of the Cedars until HSR gets going, and that puts some development pressure on the east side.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby exelone31 » 05 Feb 2020 09:54

Thymant wrote:And if this actually happens, I hate to say it but I always thought there might be a possibility that the Ambassador fire could have been "intentional". But maybe I'm just stirring the pot.


A lot of folks on the forum quickly squashed conspiracy-theorizing, but I have always thought it was suspicious as well.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Feb 2020 10:07

exelone31 wrote:
Thymant wrote:And if this actually happens, I hate to say it but I always thought there might be a possibility that the Ambassador fire could have been "intentional". But maybe I'm just stirring the pot.


A lot of folks on the forum quickly squashed conspiracy-theorizing, but I have always thought it was suspicious as well.


Do you really think a reputable developer like Jim Lake would do that?

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby Tnexster » 05 Feb 2020 10:23

exelone31 wrote:
Thymant wrote:And if this actually happens, I hate to say it but I always thought there might be a possibility that the Ambassador fire could have been "intentional". But maybe I'm just stirring the pot.


A lot of folks on the forum quickly squashed conspiracy-theorizing, but I have always thought it was suspicious as well.


If I remember correctly they didn't find anything that would suggest that.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby exelone31 » 05 Feb 2020 14:52

My suspicions aside, I think this project looks really, really nice. I will be really curious to see what kind of ancillary effects the two new deck parks have on their surrounding areas (both this one, and the one near the zoo). I think the Cedars has a really nice foundation in place and is on the cusp of being really cool.

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Re: The Cedars Developments

Postby wbarch » 05 Feb 2020 22:12

lakewoodhobo wrote:Pretty sure this is the current plan for the building(s) that will replace the Ambassador. The tower looks to be about 24 stories with a garage podium taking up much of the abandoned section of S. Saint Paul. Another building facing I-30 is likely a boutique hotel.

The Ambassador.jpg
Notice there is some kind of partial reproduction of the old building in its original footprint.


Wow. where did you dig that up? I heard BOKA was working on a scheme but hadnt seen anything.


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