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Postby muncien » 26 Dec 2017 13:48

I have to say... Having visited Main Street Garden Park for the first time in a while, it seems to have become quite a hit. The entire EMC corridor was absolutely bustling with activity last night, which was quite surprising when you consider that there was hardly anything open. Even after 11PM, there were still countless people in the park, with kids running around, etc.
Perhaps these are locals who are bringing their visiting family to DTD, or maybe it's due to all the new hotels full of visitors, but it was quite impressive. The transformation that this are has seen over the last ten years is just mind blowing. I know we study it every day and it can seem to take for ever, but sometimes we need to take a step back to really see the transition over time.
The Statler is just a small part of this observation, but it is a beautiful building and it makes a HUGE difference to have it alive and kicking again.
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Postby JREDallas » 28 Dec 2017 15:17

^ My parents stayed at The Statler Christmas Eve and Christmas nights. They commented on the same thing about the level of activity in the park. They saw a steady flow of people taking pictures with the tree, wreath, etc.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Statler Hotel & Residences + Future DMN Offices (Old Statler Hilton + Old Library)

Postby willyk » 02 Jan 2018 21:30

The building belongs in everyone’s tour of Dallas. Are there other examples of mid-century modern that are as good as the Statler? Is this the best mcm in the country?

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Postby eburress » 03 Jan 2018 06:18

willyk wrote:The building belongs in everyone’s tour of Dallas. Are there other examples of mid-century modern that are as good as the Statler? Is this the best mcm in the country?


How would one quantify "as good as?" For what it's worth, the entire city of Palm Springs has maintained its midcentury modern style, even with new construction. So whether or not it's "as good as" the Statler, there's certainly a lot more midcentury modern in PS.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 03 Jan 2018 11:16

Yeah cause I know a number of people that still wish the building was torn down cause they don't get mid-century architecture.

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Postby vman » 04 Jan 2018 07:08

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Yeah cause I know a number of people that still wish the building was torn down cause they don't get mid-century architecture.

You're right. I've heard people refer to the building as "ugly" for years, while I've always found it to be beautiful and a wonderful piece of architecture.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Jan 2018 10:34

vman wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Yeah cause I know a number of people that still wish the building was torn down cause they don't get mid-century architecture.

You're right. I've heard people refer to the building as "ugly" for years, while I've always found it to be beautiful and a wonderful piece of architecture.


To be fair, Dallas let's its "Historical" buildings fall into disrepair or close to it far too often.

How can you except the general public, who tend NOT to be architecture nerds, to value something that looks like junk and has been in that state for decades (sometimes their entire lifetime)?

It's astonishing how this building, Dallas High School and countless other old buildings are left to rot.

Then when someone proposes something new the preservation society screams "Travesty!".

I don't think it's the general public or even the developer who proposes something new, that have disdain for the old. The city and property owners play a big part of what the public values.

If old buildings are treated well the community comes to value them over time. Look at how the community rallied around the Lakewood theatre.

Dallas' problem is that they cry about preserving old buildings without actually implementing preservation practices in a swift nature.

It's the biggest irony!

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Statler Hotel & Residences + Future DMN Offices (Old Statler Hilton + Old Library)

Postby willyk » 05 Jan 2018 02:38

eburress wrote:
willyk wrote:The building belongs in everyone’s tour of Dallas. Are there other examples of mid-century modern that are as good as the Statler? Is this the best mcm in the country?


How would one quantify "as good as?" For what it's worth, the entire city of Palm Springs has maintained its midcentury modern style, even with new construction. So whether or not it's "as good as" the Statler, there's certainly a lot more midcentury modern in PS.


I am not familiar with Palm Springs. The internet shows some terrific MCM homes, but no commercial buildings of the size and stature of the Statler. If this is one the best examples of MCM still standing in the country, that would be something worth bragging about.

The U.N. Headquarters might fit—but I have heard people say it is in the international style. So I am thinking we claim bragging rights on this one.

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Postby eburress » 05 Jan 2018 08:17

willyk wrote:
eburress wrote:
willyk wrote:The building belongs in everyone’s tour of Dallas. Are there other examples of mid-century modern that are as good as the Statler? Is this the best mcm in the country?


How would one quantify "as good as?" For what it's worth, the entire city of Palm Springs has maintained its midcentury modern style, even with new construction. So whether or not it's "as good as" the Statler, there's certainly a lot more midcentury modern in PS.


I am not familiar with Palm Springs. The internet shows some terrific MCM homes, but no commercial buildings of the size and stature of the Statler. If this is one the best examples of MCM still standing in the country, that would be something worth bragging about.

The U.N. Headquarters might fit—but I have heard people say it is in the international style. So I am thinking we claim bragging rights on this one.


It sounds like by "as good as," you meant "as large as," and for all I know, you could be right.

Yeah, doing a Google Images search on "Palm Springs Architecture" will show some of the breadth of its midcentury structures, but sure, there's not a building in all of the Coachella Valley that's as big as the Statler. ;)

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Postby dallasbeatsaustin » 05 Jan 2018 10:41

The only building that the Statler reminds me of in shape and size is the Hotel Uzbekistan in Tashkent, although the Statler is still bigger, I think. Mid-Century, soviet style.
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Postby dfwcre8tive » 06 Jan 2018 01:54

willyk wrote:The building belongs in everyone’s tour of Dallas. Are there other examples of mid-century modern that are as good as the Statler? Is this the best mcm in the country?


These are nice:

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In Dallas, I would rank best Mid-Century Modern (large building) architecture:
1. Meadows Building
2. 3525 Turtle Creek
3. Republic Center
3. Statler Hilton
4. Great National Life Insurance

Combined with the library it still deserves the title of "best block of Mid-Century Modern architecture in downtown Dallas."

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 07 Jan 2018 23:00

Three new things at The Statler: Waterproof, the rooftop bar, is open; José de Rivera's "A Wishing Star" has been restored; Scout, the bar with bowling lanes and other games, looks close to opening.

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Postby willyk » 08 Jan 2018 22:01

Scout looks great—we asked about opening and the front desk said “Q1.” :(

But it’s destined to be the Rec Room for all of Downtown.


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Postby Jay9398 » 20 Feb 2018 08:32

willyk wrote:Scout looks great—we asked about opening and the front desk said “Q1.” :(

But it’s destined to be the Rec Room for all of Downtown.


Scout opened yesterday. I haven't been, but a friend says it's awesome.

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Postby jrd1964 » 20 Feb 2018 12:10

https://dallasinnovates.com/dallas-pop- ... ear-round/

The Unbranded pop-up spaces that show up irregularly downtown are going to a permanent space at The Statler. With the move, the retailer is converting to an ongoing status, with a single-vendor focus every couple of months.


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Wow, that looks awesome! It also looks really, really big, which I hope isn't an issue money-wise if it isn't jam-packed all the time.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Feb 2018 13:04

If you want to pay 10$ to play on a pool table or ping pong then this is the place for you. Bowling will be 40$. If that doesn't bother you then it will be great. If you think paying that much for a pool table is crazy you have plenty of bars in town with an open pool table for a few quarters.

https://www.scoutdallas.com/games/

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Postby dukemeredith » 23 Feb 2018 14:23

cowboyeagle05 wrote:If you want to pay 10$ to play on a pool table or ping pong then this is the place for you. Bowling will be 40$. If that doesn't bother you then it will be great. If you think paying that much for a pool table is crazy you have plenty of bars in town with an open pool table for a few quarters.

https://www.scoutdallas.com/games/



Oh, my... those prices are painful.

I visited on Wednesday, and they’re still playing with the menu. Prices seemed good, though. Beers and sandwiches were reasonable.

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Postby exelone31 » 23 Feb 2018 16:40

The ping pong rates seem silly, not sure what pool tables typically run. The bowling prices aren't terrible compared to places like Bowl and Barrel ($30/hr off-peak, $50/hr weekends) or Bowlounge ($4.75/game/person off-peak, $6.80/game/person on peak).

I hope this does well and carves a path for other amusement vendors downtown. It'd be really cool to see something like Free Play Arcade go into one of the empty retail storefronts.

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Postby Tucy » 20 Mar 2018 12:41

Yikes. This is going to be costly:

Residents in downtown Dallas' historic Statler Hotel will have to relocate for repairs

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... te-repairs

It's a little surprising that almost a year after opening they only have about 130 residents in 219 apartments.

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Postby flyswatter » 20 Mar 2018 12:50

I looked just yesterday at availability online and they showed almost nothing. Maybe because of the problem they took all the inventory offline temporarily?

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Postby Tucy » 20 Mar 2018 13:42

flyswatter wrote:I looked just yesterday at availability online and they showed almost nothing. Maybe because of the problem they took all the inventory offline temporarily?


That seems like a good possibility. If there are only 130 residents, that suggests they are only about 50% occupancy, at best.

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Postby flyswatter » 20 Mar 2018 15:42

Yeah. When I saw it I was impressed at how fast it filled. Now, not so much :P

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Postby trueicon » 20 Mar 2018 16:33

Not sure where I saw it (might have been the Downtown Residents Council on Facebook), but I read a rumor that they were actually trying to push some of their residents out of their leases early because it was more profitable to use their apartments as Air-BNBs and corporate housing. No idea if that's true or not, but that sounds plausible considering they only have 130 residents.

Edit: Ahh guess it is true.
Found the AirBNB listing.

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Postby Matt777 » 03 Apr 2018 11:29

New renderings for the 6 story residential/retail building facing Harwood Park. Looks 1000x better than the initial proposal. Especially the ground level design and the added balconies on the park facing side. Build it now. The article also mentions it could go condo which would be great. There are no new condo options downtown other than the large, very expensive townhouses near Farmer's Market.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... allas-park

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Postby DPatel304 » 03 Apr 2018 11:35

For comparison:
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I agree, it looks significantly better, and I'm really liking the look of the ground floor. I thought it was all but certain this would be a condo building, but I guess that's still up in the air? But yeah, we need some new condos hitting the market, there are way too many new, luxury apartment complexes going up.

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Postby R1070 » 03 Apr 2018 18:20

I like it and will look nice with the park across the street. I'm excited to watch the Farmer's Market area slowly connect with this area.

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Postby dfwcre8tive » 03 Apr 2018 19:18

January comments from Landmark Commission:

210 S HARWOOD ST
Harwood Historic District

Courtesy Review - Construct a seven-story multifamily residential structure. - Approve conceptually with the recommendation that the applicant consider better distinguishing the front main entrance to the structure, and with the condition that final plans, elevations, and details are submitted for final Landmark Commission review.


http://dallascityhall.com/government/me ... C-Mins.pdf


November comments from Landmark Commission:

210 S HARWOOD ST
Harwood Historic District

Courtesy Review - Construct a five-story multifamily residential structure. - Approve conceptually with the conditions that the applicant consider exterior materials more in keeping with the existing historic architecture in the district, and that final plans, elevations, and details are submitted for final Landmark Commission review.


http://dallascityhall.com/government/me ... C-Mins.pdf

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Postby maconahey » 05 Apr 2018 12:32

R1070 wrote:I like it and will look nice with the park across the street. I'm excited to watch the Farmer's Market area slowly connect with this area.


Not to mention the large redevelopment going on around it
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Postby maconahey » 11 Apr 2018 14:36

Still just a giant hole in the ground
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