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Downtown Dallas: Statler Hotel & Residences + Future DMN Offices (Old Statler Hilton + Old Library)

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 31 May 2018 11:55

Yeah, the building I work in uses metal piping for all the sprinkler systems and the reason I know is I have assisted the servicing of them when pressure sensors go off randomly. I assume PVC is just the cheaper solution and not as likely recomended by the industry but when choosing the cheaper bid for work these things can happen and this is what can happen.

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Postby Arch-Image » 31 May 2018 17:55

Love to know who the Sprinkler contractor was. I tend to agree, no one hardly uses Blackiron pipe anymore as it is so costly as compared to using CPVC (everyone is calling it PVC but it isnt). As well the articles all keep talking about "Caulk". I'm not sure what they mean, are they talking about the joint sealant used to connect the pipes, or possibly the fire-caulk where the pipe penetrates walls. I don't know but as a builder, your sprinkler system coming apart is about the worst thing can happen to a building!

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Postby jsoto3 » 31 May 2018 23:24

There are multiple causes of pvc/cpvc piping failures, mostly a result of installation, operational, engineering and/or product compatibility issues. I suspect in this case the "caulk" they are referring to is the wall penetration fire-stopping sealant. Improper application of the pipe/fitting bonding cement is also a possibility. There are some building products that have nothing to do with the sprinkler system itself that are potentially incompatible with pvc/cpvc piping, and when they come into contact they can degrade the material. It is for this reason that the GC on one of my projects will not permit cpvc piping to be used for fire sprinkler systems on their projects as a matter of company policy, even if the owner wants it, due to the potential for issues and the associated liability. I wouldn't be surprised if other GC's take a similar stance.

Detailed info or anyone interested:
http://www.californiasprinklerfitters.o ... asFail.pdf
https://cedia.net/insights/cedia-blog-d ... g-problems

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Postby mdg109 » 10 Jun 2018 14:52

Fine China signage will look good at night. I'm happy they're adding trees too.
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Postby Tucy » 14 Jun 2018 10:28

maconahey wrote:Still just a giant hole in the ground
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Any updates on this one?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Jun 2018 10:30

It's moving you just have to tip your head over and see them still working.


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Postby Tnexster » 16 Jun 2018 16:38

That is very deep, much more than I was expecting. And....another crane added to downtown.

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Postby mdg109 » 03 Jul 2018 12:58

Looks like Ramen & Bao is almost ready to open.
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Postby Tucy » 03 Jul 2018 13:04

Love what they've done with that building. Beautiful architecture and design.

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Postby mdg109 » 03 Jul 2018 13:08

Progress shot of the mixed-use parking next door.
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Postby Tnexster » 03 Jul 2018 17:06

That is a seriously deep garage. Glad that went down and not up.

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Postby joshua.dodd » 04 Jul 2018 08:02

I really wish developers would build parking garages below ground instead of above as they have finally done with this project. Nothing looks worse than a tower sitting on a parking garage podium. We have enough of that garbage...

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Postby ContriveDallasite » 04 Jul 2018 08:09

joshua.dodd wrote:I really wish developers would build parking garages below ground instead of above as they have finally done with this project. Nothing looks worse than a tower sitting on a parking garage podium. We have enough of that garbage...



Absolutely agree. If only it didn't cost 10x as much to dig down.

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Postby DPatel304 » 04 Jul 2018 13:59

I'd rather developers build above ground parking garages that are aesthetically pleasing and can be later converted into other uses such as residential.

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Postby Warrior2015 » 04 Jul 2018 14:53

DPatel304 wrote:I'd rather developers build above ground parking garages that are aesthetically pleasing and can be later converted into other uses such as residential.

Yeah San Francisco does that well. They have nice parking garages that are covered up with art and or nice architecture and with lots of ground floor retail etc

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Postby DPatel304 » 04 Jul 2018 15:44

I'm not sure why all cities aren't embracing this. It's cheaper and quicker than going underground and a decade or so from now when there is less demand for parking due to autonomous cars, we'll have extra space that can be converted into additional residential. Unless I'm missing something, I see no benefit to going underground knowing autonomous cars are the inevitable future.

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Postby tamtagon » 04 Jul 2018 17:36

Autonomous cars have to be parked somewhere. Sharing the autonomous cars certainly shows promise to reduce the number of vehicles per person are used, but the same used to be said about car pooling. On Demand Trip Taking, that's the behavior we seem to love and the behavior that will be serviced by fleet upon fleet upon fleet of autonomous cars.... parked in above ground and below ground parking garages.

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Postby mcrdal15 » 05 Jul 2018 16:03

tamtagon wrote:Autonomous cars have to be parked somewhere. Sharing the autonomous cars certainly shows promise to reduce the number of vehicles per person are used, but the same used to be said about car pooling. On Demand Trip Taking, that's the behavior we seem to love and the behavior that will be serviced by fleet upon fleet upon fleet of autonomous cars.... parked in above ground and below ground parking garages.


We really shouldn't be counting on autonomous cars as the solution to all of our urban planning woes. The biggest urban planning mistake we ever made was designing our cities and towns around 1 form of technology and transportation system -- the car. Let's not repeat those same mistakes again. Multi-nodal transportation is the future and while autonomous cars are part of it, we shouldn't be ignoring the other options.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Jul 2018 08:40

^We shouldn't but Dallas city planning policy changes tend to be made based on development industry pressure and pressure has not been in the urban walkable areas as high as it is for more parking! If automated cars do eventually apply the right pressure we might see city funds used to do something with some of these garages if automated cars do cause the shift so many are hoping for.

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Postby tamtagon » 06 Jul 2018 09:37

Developers in Dallas should expect to contribute to a parks & recreation fund just like many other cities, and part of that contribution needs to rebuild the pedestrian environment. People still have to walk from their vehicle to the final destination.

The popularity of autonomous cars in the future will most likely have a symbiotic relationship to the pedestrian environment. Miles of parallel parking 'lanes' might need conversion for autonomous vehicle drop off, and these folks will need much better sidewalks.

I encourage the shuttle vehicles to become an important and premium priced component of public transportation, along with a variety of guided mass transit vehicles (buses, shuttles, streetcars, LRT whatever) but none of it will flourish without a great pedestrian environment.

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Postby mcrdal15 » 06 Jul 2018 11:03

cowboyeagle05 wrote:^We shouldn't but Dallas city planning policy changes tend to be made based on development industry pressure and pressure has not been in the urban walkable areas as high as it is for more parking! If automated cars do eventually apply the right pressure we might see city funds used to do something with some of these garages if automated cars do cause the shift so many are hoping for.


This is a prime example of the corporate state dictating what happens in the public sphere. We need to move forward and get away from the mentality that "we work for the economy" rather than the "economy works for us." Eventually we're going to hit a major resource crunch. The current model of "endless growth in a finite world" is unsustainable. We need to bite the bullet and begin redesigning our communities around sustainability and create a new economy that fits within that mold. I fully understand the uphill battle this is going to be and in Dallas, it's incredibly difficult to plan for the basics of urbanity. If Dallas doesn't adapt, then it will be left behind.


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