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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Warrior2015 » 25 Aug 2018 10:55

tamtagon wrote:hahaha

I just saw the 88 and remembered the good times, back before the turn of the century when the Cowboys were good. I cannot believe it's been so long since the Cowboys got deep into the play offs.

One part of this streetscaping reminded me of what was once proposed for much of Main Street. Hopefully this is another big step toward some significant construction on this side of town. Through an expansion larger than downtown Fort Worth, Dallas' Uptown already tallies more office space, residential population and retail/destination activity; the east side of downtown could easily play host to similar growth. The corporate presence of galactic ATT really should turn into a cornerstone for this side of town - more like the Cowboys with Emmitt, Troy and Michael instead of the ridiculous teasers we've had for the more than 20 years since then.

I feel once this project is completed along with drever and east quarter, we will have a "better" downtown that our neighbors to the west. Also, if smart district takes off it's a wrap

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Warrior2015 » 25 Aug 2018 10:56

Warrior2015 wrote:
tamtagon wrote:hahaha

I just saw the 88 and remembered the good times, back before the turn of the century when the Cowboys were good. I cannot believe it's been so long since the Cowboys got deep into the play offs.

One part of this streetscaping reminded me of what was once proposed for much of Main Street. Hopefully this is another big step toward some significant construction on this side of town. Through an expansion larger than downtown Fort Worth, Dallas' Uptown already tallies more office space, residential population and retail/destination activity; the east side of downtown could easily play host to similar growth. The corporate presence of galactic ATT really should turn into a cornerstone for this side of town - more like the Cowboys with Emmitt, Troy and Michael instead of the ridiculous teasers we've had for the more than 20 years since then.

I feel once this project is completed along with drever and east quarter, we will have a "better" downtown than our neighbors to the west. Also, if smart district takes off, it's a wrap

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby mcrdal15 » 25 Aug 2018 11:47

Warrior2015 wrote:
tamtagon wrote:hahaha

I just saw the 88 and remembered the good times, back before the turn of the century when the Cowboys were good. I cannot believe it's been so long since the Cowboys got deep into the play offs.

One part of this streetscaping reminded me of what was once proposed for much of Main Street. Hopefully this is another big step toward some significant construction on this side of town. Through an expansion larger than downtown Fort Worth, Dallas' Uptown already tallies more office space, residential population and retail/destination activity; the east side of downtown could easily play host to similar growth. The corporate presence of galactic ATT really should turn into a cornerstone for this side of town - more like the Cowboys with Emmitt, Troy and Michael instead of the ridiculous teasers we've had for the more than 20 years since then.

I feel once this project is completed along with drever and east quarter, we will have a "better" downtown that our neighbors to the west. Also, if smart district takes off it's a wrap


I agree. I really hope they do some small scale infill in the East Quarter to match the existing older buildings.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby R1070 » 25 Aug 2018 14:09

That whole Eastern end of downtown could turn into an awesome area of the city.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby buildingswithlegs » 25 Aug 2018 15:30

I find it interesting how many horizontal sun screens are popping up ever since the winspear seemingly created a new vernacular for the region. Pretty cool.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Tnexster » 25 Aug 2018 16:47

Smart District needs more residential development to help make that complete. Lots of opportunity to do that, not sure why something hasn't been proposed yet.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Warrior2015 » 25 Aug 2018 17:40

Tnexster wrote:Smart District needs more residential development to help make that complete. Lots of opportunity to do that, not sure why something hasn't been proposed yet.

They are waiting to see what Amazon is going to do. Mike Hoque said construction of phase 1 should kick off by the end of 2018, but we'll see.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Tnexster » 25 Aug 2018 17:41

I wonder how many decisions out there are being help up by Amazon?

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby muncien » 27 Aug 2018 10:54

A marquis along the base of that video board would be brilliant...
"He doesn't know how to use the three seashells..."

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Aug 2018 11:16

The sunscreen thing is something that bodes well for defining a safe space for pedestrians. The Winspear height is a little too tall for what I am referring too but the AT&T height looks like two stories tall which helps the pedestrian-oriented areas seem less intense. Most of these 80's office towers go straight up with their exteriors and don't define a base to the buildings like older buildings did. This can make the buildings look overbearing and overpowering making sidewalk areas seem more desolate and uninviting. While older historic buildings did define a base area around the ground floor so they tend to do a better job encouraging a sense of place and less like a highway trophy, a well known Dallas architecture trait.

Renaissance Plaza remedied this when it was majorly remodeled shortly after it opened. Originally it was a straight vertical box of modernism without the frills of design features that didn't serve a "functional" purpose. Then the new owners added decorative details around the base of the building that brought the scale of it down so when a person walks up to it you feel less like you are competing with the entire buildings height. Thanksgiving Tower almost fixed this is as well during their renovation but I am assuming the planned patio covers were cut for the sake of the budget. They would have made the patios much more attractive and more inviting. Right now you go sit outside of Ascension at Thanksgiving tower it's desolate and frankly too tall and doesn't invite you to spend time. Even a cluster of trees would have worked similarly.

I am glad AT&T is making these kinds of contributions to define space and create levels/rooms all over their plaza space.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby mcrdal15 » 27 Aug 2018 12:56

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Right now you go sit outside of Ascension at Thanksgiving tower it's desolate and frankly too tall and doesn't invite you to spend time. Even a cluster of trees would have worked similarly.


I was in that area last week and the lack of shade is a major problem there. Just hot blazing sun hitting the concrete.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 27 Aug 2018 12:59

Every block in Downtown Matters. The sidewalks are wide enough in most places for the city to add trees. We need more trees.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Aug 2018 13:07

They added trees in front of Thanksgiving but it will be a while before they have any value and all the other ground cover is hardscape rocks and colored concrete.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby dallaz » 29 Aug 2018 11:13

AT&T's landmark downtown tower sells to big name Dallas investors

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/att ... -investors

AT&T's landmark headquarters tower and plaza in downtown Dallas has been bought by well-known Dallas investors Tom Dundon and Jonas Woods.

CBRE announced the purchase Wednesday morning by Dundon Capital Partners and Woods Capital of the 37-story, Class A office tower. The 965,800 square-foot building is the central point of AT&T's global headquarters campus.

Located on the southeast corner of Commerce and Akard streets, One AT&T Plaza is fully leased to AT&T through August 2030. It has been the company's headquarters since 2008, when AT&T moved to Dallas from San Antonio.

"We are excited to continue our commitment to Downtown Dallas with this investment in the global headquarters of one of the most dynamic, highly profitable and well managed media and entertainment companies in the world," said Tom Dundon, chairman and managing partner of Dundon Capital Partners.

Jonas Woods, president of Woods Capital, praised AT&T for "leading the way in downtown's revival" with substantial investments.

"We believe that AT&T shares our vision of downtown becoming one of the most vibrant neighborhoods in Dallas. We look forward to working with AT&T and continuing to participate in the dramatic growth of downtown," Woods said.

Ground floor renovations under way at the property are part of the $100 million AT&T Discovery District project to transform the neighborhood into a popular downtown public space. Upon completion, several city blocks will be converted to pedestrian-only access and neighborhood amenities will be added, including 40,000 square feet of restaurant and retail space, a proposed two-story food hall with balcony dining, outdoor gathering and performance areas, a water garden and a six-story video wall facing Commerce.

The partnership between Dundon Capital Partners and Woods Capital bought the property from Icahn Enterprises for an undisclosed price.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Aug 2018 11:27

I am just glad we will have local owners of the property. 90% of the rest of office properties in Downtown is owned by large multinational companies largely not invested in Dallas in the same way as a local company like Woods Capital can be. It is always interesting to me how corporations like AT&T just don't want to own their own HQ particularly when they care this much about its ability to attract talent that they are spending millions of their own money on campus renovations.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby lakewoodhobo » 19 Sep 2018 16:55

Tomorrow is a somewhat important day for AT&T as it's when their brief is due on the DOJ's appeal of the merger with Time Warner. According to this story, they're proceeding with the acquisition for now: https://marketrealist.com/2018/09/att-i ... arner-deal

I'm only saying this because I heard form a director-level employee at AT&T that if everything goes to plan they do expect to move some sort of newsroom/broadcasting capacity from CNN Center to the Discovery District, which would be pretty amazing even if it's just a small studio like WFAA at Victory Park.

On an unrelated note, I was looking through photos of CNN Center in Atlanta and didn't realize how much it looks like Plaza of the Americas, down to the ice skating rink that was removed to expand the food court (bonus points if you knew this was the location of the "World of Sid and Marty Krofft" theme park that only lasted 6 months).

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Kelley USA » 24 Sep 2018 15:16

I wonder if AT&T will add their new concept to the District... Looks pretty cool!

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... -more.html

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby Tnexster » 24 Sep 2018 21:11

That really does look like Plaza of the America's, was that built about the same time?

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Sep 2018 08:03

A lot of office projects were built at that time with those giant atriums. It was popular for malls and office buildings at the time. Along with the food courts. The office building versions were devoid of less roaming teenagers though.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby itsjrd1964 » 25 Sep 2018 17:37

Tnexster wrote:That really does look like Plaza of the America's, was that built about the same time?


I looked it up last night, the complex that is now CNN Center was finished in 1976, while the Plaza of the Americas project started in 1978 and opened in 1980. So, not too far apart in age.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby exelone31 » 26 Sep 2018 13:13

cowboyeagle05 wrote:A lot of office projects were built at that time with those giant atriums. It was popular for malls and office buildings at the time. Along with the food courts. The office building versions were devoid of less roaming teenagers though.


Yep, and don't forget the hotels too. Embassy Suites is a big one that comes to mind.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 26 Sep 2018 13:27

Also the Reunion Hyatt and many other buildings built around the 35/stemmons corridor.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby lakewoodhobo » 26 Sep 2018 15:12

Very true that it was an architectural fad, but once you see them both with the skating rink it's a little creepy.

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Re: AT&T Discovery District

Postby lakewoodhobo » 05 Oct 2018 15:29

Road closures and other changes begin tomorrow Oct. 6 per an email from DowntownDallas Inc.

-Jackson St closed between Browder and Field
-Jackson St becomes two-way from Ervay to Browder
-Wood St becomes two-way from Ervay to Field
-Akard St becomes two-way from Wood to Young

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