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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 May 2018 10:42
by Hwulivn
tamtagon wrote:
ArtVandelay wrote:IMO North End is the biggest barrier to connectivity between VP and Uptown.

Would love to see that redeveloped.


I think most of the North End real estate should be turned into a Natural History park.


Wow. That is a very interesting idea. That could be a huge draw for the downtown area, but I’m not sure it would make sense financially since I’m sure that property is very valuable at this point.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 May 2018 11:36
by tamtagon
^The museum and others are lobbying the city for >$100 million to build an office building, parking and walking deck from KWPark to the museum, so why not lobby to use that much money to create another park? Better yet, the Perot family can donate that much money again to create another park, building up and securing the legacy of the Perot Museum of Nature and Science; a donation like that would allow the city to make the Museum and KWPark a nexus of sorts of pedestrian-cycling trails from Katy Trail and Ron Kirk Pedestrian Bridge etc....

and we should've learned by now that cultural institution and park investments are about the most beneficial all-around initiatives/actions a city can make.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 28 May 2018 03:28
by DAFW
^The museum and others are lobbying the city for >$100 million to build an office building, parking and walking deck from KWPark to the museum, so why not lobby to use that much money to create another park? Better yet, the Perot family can donate that much money again to create another park, building up and securing the legacy of the Perot Museum of Nature and Science; a donation like that would allow the city to make the Museum and KWPark a nexus of sorts of pedestrian-cycling trails from Katy Trail and Ron Kirk Pedestrian Bridge etc....

and we should've learned by now that cultural institution and park investments are about the most beneficial all-around initiatives/actions a city can make.


I love it! Time for Tamtagon to run for mayor!

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 00:32
by mdg109
I forgot which restaurant this is, but the finish it out is really nice (corner of Victory and Museum Way). Once Cinepolis and a few more restaurants open up, I think it's going to feel like West Village 2.0.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 02:13
by ContriveDallasite
Wow, that looks fantastic. Now why can't we just get more residential midrises like this?

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jun 2018 09:18
by Kelley USA
I drove by this weekend and it did look really good! This is the new concept by Tristan Simon- the guy that founded concepts like Fireside Pies, The Porch, Hibiscus, Victor Tango's... I believe the photo is going to be his take on a modern Texas Saloon. I'm thinking maybe something similar to The Porch concept?? This corner, along with Mesero across the street is going to bring some energy to the area. I love the way VP is shaping up!

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Jun 2018 14:13
by nth016
The parking lot in front of The W where the new residential tower has been proposed has been closed off and they have spray painted on the asphalt utility indicators for Oncor, etc. I'm assuming this project is moving forward and construction is imminent.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Jun 2018 19:19
by R1070
I hope so! If we could just the the Hines office building going up down the street that one would take up a significant surface lot along the DART line.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 14 Jun 2018 08:15
by cowboyeagle05
I would watch the Hillwood site first before the Hines site. Hillwood is ready to go and asked the city for a stay on their application until July. They know how fast/slow the city moves on these things but let's hope they are waiting on an Amazon announcement to make some changes to their buildings square footage.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 14 Jun 2018 08:19
by Roman_Patrick
nth016 wrote:The parking lot in front of The W where the new residential tower has been proposed has been closed off and they have spray painted on the asphalt utility indicators for Oncor, etc. I'm assuming this project is moving forward and construction is imminent.


That is so exciting!
thanks for sharing!

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 14 Jun 2018 20:15
by PonyUp13
Word is Hines is shopping for a lead tenant very aggressively. They’re no longer involved in One Victory but obviously have relationships with the people there and they just need somebody large like HaynesBoone or PCB to move to jump-start Victory Place or whatever they’re calling it now.

I walked to Freshii yesterday from OVP and it is FINALLY starting to feel like it’s coming together and gelling down there.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 14 Jun 2018 21:56
by R1070
I drove through there yesterday and it was the first time I was like Wow. People were walking around and the mix of shops and restaurants is really creating a good mix. I know it would seem weird, but the Hard Rock would probably do a lot better closer to the AAC in this area. A lot of people don't even know we have a Hard Rock Cafe.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Jun 2018 16:21
by exelone31
https://www.guidelive.com/food-and-drink/2018/06/15/after-abacus-chef-kent-rathbun-imoto-new-dallas-restaurant-open

Imoto opens Friday, June 15, in a neighborhood the Rathbuns think is an interesting new option for Dallas diners.


I believe this one was slated to open June 8th, but was pushed back a tad.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Jun 2018 21:29
by Warrior2015
nth016 wrote:The parking lot in front of The W where the new residential tower has been proposed has been closed off and they have spray painted on the asphalt utility indicators for Oncor, etc. I'm assuming this project is moving forward and construction is imminent.

This is the lot for the 39 story apartment tower right ?

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Jun 2018 21:52
by R1070
Yes, but I saw a sign there that said the entrance was closed temporarily. Hmm...

I really want to see this one go up as well as the one next to the Museum Tower. I hope they make it out of the ground this cycle.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Jun 2018 22:34
by Warrior2015
R1070 wrote:Yes, but I saw a sign there that said the entrance was closed temporarily. Hmm...

I really want to see this one go up as well as the one next to the Museum Tower. I hope they make it out of the ground this cycle.

Dang hope it goes up soon too and I'm pretty confident that the one by museum tower will be starting soon. Hopefully haha

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 18 Jun 2018 19:56
by Cord1936
R1070 wrote:Yes, but I saw a sign there that said the entrance was closed temporarily. Hmm...

I really want to see this one go up as well as the one next to the Museum Tower. I hope they make it out of the ground this cycle.

^^^^^^^
Not sure why people are acting like the good days are over or nearing an end in Dallas ... all of the important data is suggesting the opposite ... instead of a slowdown things are actually picking up ... and strengthening above the already red hot levels we've been seeing:

Driven by In-Migration, Dallas-Fort Worth Population Growth Tops the Nation
Demographic Trends Boosting Commercial Real Estate in the Metroplex
By David Kahn, CoStar Real Estate Group, June 15, 2018

Dallas-Fort Worth has added about 1.1 million new residents since 2010, about the same number as Houston.
...
The most recent numbers are excellent for Dallas-Fort Worth.

According to the U.S. Census, D-FW added 146,000 new residents in 2017, topping second place Houston by more than 50,000 people.

More importantly, the most recent job numbers were incredible, with nominal job growth of about 125,000 year-over-year, as of March 2018.

This marks an acceleration in job growth compared to previous months. Dallas-Fort Worth was already the strongest job market in the country: now it’s even stronger.

The combination of outstanding population growth, in-migration and job growth creates a virtuous cycle for the metro’s economy, and helps drive demand for commercial real estate. Strong population growth, job growth and in-migration should continue to power the Dallas-Fort Worth commercial real estate industry for years to come.

Article: http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Driv ... ion/201928

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 18 Jun 2018 21:16
by willyk
Imoto is open. Billy Can Can, Kessler Pies and Orange Theory are nearly there.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 08:09
by cowboyeagle05
The reason some believe this cycle is quieting down is that construction has slowed even before Trump put in place those tariffs wildly increasing the cost of construction materials. The city of Dallas alone has seen a drop in new start permits and applications for development despite parciticapting in the solid population growth. The DFW market itself has seen a dip, as well as new inventory, comes on the market. More than a few projects are also sitting around not starting construction in areas that seem like a slam dunk.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 08:53
by Warrior2015
I spoke with the lady at the front desk at The 23 and she said construction is wrapping up on the movie theater and should be opening late July/early August.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 09:15
by Kelley USA
Great article in the DMN on Billy Can Can…

https://www.guidelive.com/food-and-drin ... 1529416800

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 09:19
by tamtagon
11,500 people live in the neighborhood? Hum

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 10:54
by DBadger
It's interesting that he is a resident of the Cedars. Didn't know that. Maybe its time for one of his new concepts in the Cedars as well.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 12:53
by exelone31
I am really curious to see how this next generation of restaurants fares in Victory Park. I like the commitment to trying things that are a little bit outside the box.

The Westworld comparison in the article seems like a really good analogy for what they're trying to go for.

I also really want to know what a "parking lot bar" is.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 20:03
by willyk
I like the unconventional offerings. That is what it will take to get the Uptownees to brave a trip across Field St. to come here.

That said, I hope we see a few more conventional offerings for the residents and the AAC crowd. I’d like to see Snuffer’s, Torchy Taco and Flying Fish to name a few.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Jun 2018 21:54
by R1070
I've said it before. I even think the Hard Rock would be much more visible if it were next to the AAC. Most people have no idea there even is one.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 Jun 2018 04:50
by willyk
Dibs at the north end of Victory Park Lane finally has construction in full swing.

I am surprised that nothing is happenening with spaces on the plaza by the arena where some big new restaraunts were announced.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 Jun 2018 07:39
by vman
I walked through Victory yesterday and was amazed at how the construction is coming along. Signs are up on Orange Theory and Cinepolis. Any word on when the theater is going to open? The sign looks great and there were lights on inside.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 Jun 2018 09:40
by Warrior2015
vman wrote:I walked through Victory yesterday and was amazed at how the construction is coming along. Signs are up on Orange Theory and Cinepolis. Any word on when the theater is going to open? The sign looks great and there were lights on inside.

I talked to the lady at the front desk at the 23, and she said the movie theater is wrapping up construction and should be open in late July/early August

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 Jun 2018 10:39
by nth016
willyk wrote:Dibs at the north end of Victory Park Lane finally has construction in full swing.

I am surprised that nothing is happenening with spaces on the plaza by the arena where some big new restaraunts were announced.


I noticed over the last few days that work has begun in the spot that used to be the steakhouse overlooking the plaza. Permits are posted on the backdoor of the building for it with a construction cost of $1.0M.

Also talked to a neighbor of mine this morning who said she was told by a construction worker that Cinepolis is suppose to open on July 15th and was delayed so much because of some internal flooding. Take that all with a grain of salt though.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 30 Jun 2018 19:29
by Warrior2015
Anyone going to go try out Billy can can ?http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/06-29-18-greystar-ascent-victory-park-neighborhood-guide-billy-can-can-imoto-cinepolis/#slide=0

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 01 Jul 2018 16:03
by hjkll
That name is not great

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 02 Jul 2018 02:46
by ContriveDallasite
nth016 wrote:
willyk wrote:I noticed over the last few days that work has begun in the spot that used to be the steakhouse overlooking the plaza. Permits are posted on the backdoor of the building for it with a construction cost of $1.0M.


To be honest that is where the Hardrock Caffe should be. Once we get a few new towers, the current Hardrock site could be a City Wallgreens or something along those lines.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 02 Jul 2018 09:40
by Reignofcane
Warrior2015 wrote:Anyone going to go try out Billy can can ?http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/real-estate/06-29-18-greystar-ascent-victory-park-neighborhood-guide-billy-can-can-imoto-cinepolis/#slide=0


We went last night and the food was excellent. This is going to be a great place for the area - great atmosphere with a rare neighborhood feel. With Billy Can Can, Mesero (soon), and Imoto all at the same intersection and all three being right by the movie theater entrance, we finally may get a Victory Park that works.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 02 Jul 2018 09:45
by cowboyeagle05
Hard Rock chose the location they did because they wanted the street traffic along Continental and that very active traffic intersection. Until recently most of Victory Park has been deader than a doornail and burying themselves in the AA plaza buildings would not have been a good thing for them. Traditional retailers and restaurants like Hard Rock care about traffic counts not just how cool and area could be one day.

Also if anyone hasn't noticed the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas is being transitioned in a Virgin Hotel Las Vegas so I doubt Dallas will see a Hard Rock hotel anytime soon.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 12:22
by DPatel304
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Hard Rock chose the location they did because they wanted the street traffic along Continental and that very active traffic intersection. Until recently most of Victory Park has been deader than a doornail and burying themselves in the AA plaza buildings would not have been a good thing for them. Traditional retailers and restaurants like Hard Rock care about traffic counts not just how cool and area could be one day.


I get that the AA Plaza has been a ghost town for a while now, but I would think the visibility right in front of the AAC would more than make up for it. Everyone would walk past it for any event at the AAC, and any shots on TV of the area would probably include Hard Rock Cafe as well.

I feel like a lot of people in the metroplex don't even know that we have a Hard Rock Cafe. Maybe their current location does get a lot of car traffic driving by, but it just seems like a pretty poor location.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 12:34
by Kelley USA
If I remember correctly, and others might jump in on this, but Hard Rock originally asked for variances to put their signs much higher up on the building so that they could be seen on Woodall Rogers.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 12:36
by Tucy
DPatel304 wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Hard Rock chose the location they did because they wanted the street traffic along Continental and that very active traffic intersection. Until recently most of Victory Park has been deader than a doornail and burying themselves in the AA plaza buildings would not have been a good thing for them. Traditional retailers and restaurants like Hard Rock care about traffic counts not just how cool and area could be one day.


I get that the AA Plaza has been a ghost town for a while now, but I would think the visibility right in front of the AAC would more than make up for it. Everyone would walk past it for any event at the AAC, and any shots on TV of the area would probably include Hard Rock Cafe as well.

I feel like a lot of people in the metroplex don't even know that we have a Hard Rock Cafe. Maybe their current location does get a lot of car traffic driving by, but it just seems like a pretty poor location.


Except that more likely well under 1/4 of AAC attendees walk through the Plaza.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 13:52
by cowboyeagle05
Yeah, the assumption is that games drive traffic to businesses near the AAC but the exposure there does little for places like the Hard Rock. Its been proven time and time again in study after study stadiums rarely and almost never drive business to surrounding businesses except for parking revenue and some game day patronage revenue. Hard Rock like many bars can not survive on a few games a year. Of course, then people point out concerts but they also are not around enough. Keep in mind many people associate stadiums like the AAC as traffic snarls and many visitors assume they have this problem more than when they are not there for a ticketed event. So according to many studies people avoid stadiums/arenas when they don't have tickets because of the assumed mess they create before a concert or game. So sure they have concerts and games for some revenue but they need lunch business they need accessible parking or readily available transit to bring in customers the other days a year.

Besides the Hard Rock is a traditional big man business they look at locations based on traffic counts and I guarantee you Continental and Stemmons has better numbers than stuck in the plaza. Also, the Hard Rock probably liked being around House of Blues for the obvious restaurant hub that was working right there. You have Hooters, House of Blues, Dicks Last Resort and the Perot just down the way now.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 14:05
by DPatel304
I stand corrected then. For the record, I wasn't trying to say that AAC attendees would visit Hard Rock Cafe before/after games, but I was thinking that just being front and center in front of the AAC, would just let people know that the Hard Rock Cafe does exist. But yeah, I guess if people assume that the area will always be a mess and will likely try and avoid it if they just want to go out for dinner or drinks.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 15:56
by Tucy
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Yeah, the assumption is that games drive traffic to businesses near the AAC but the exposure there does little for places like the Hard Rock. Its been proven time and time again in study after study stadiums rarely and almost never drive business to surrounding businesses except for parking revenue and some game day patronage revenue. Hard Rock like many bars can not survive on a few games a year. Of course, then people point out concerts but they also are not around enough. Keep in mind many people associate stadiums like the AAC as traffic snarls and many visitors assume they have this problem more than when they are not there for a ticketed event. So according to many studies people avoid stadiums/arenas when they don't have tickets because of the assumed mess they create before a concert or game. So sure they have concerts and games for some revenue but they need lunch business they need accessible parking or readily available transit to bring in customers the other days a year.


Interesting. Could you give us links any of those studies!

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 03 Jul 2018 20:14
by R1070
ATL is getting a Hard Rock Hotel near it's downtown sports venues. Perhaps that may be plan in Dallas as well. That small surface lot next to the AAC on Victory across from the proposed new apt tower would be a good location!

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 09 Jul 2018 12:17
by DPatel304
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Victory Refresh begins this Thursday! Receive a free treat every week from various Victory Park shops. Stop by Café Victoria Dallas from 2-4PM July 12, to enjoy FREE macaroons


This was posted on the Victory Park Facebook page. Looks like a decent way to get people to check out Victory Park once again.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jul 2018 18:27
by mdg109
It's not noticeable when you first arrive, but after lingering a bit here, you do notice more street life like hotel guests checking out It's Sugar, or people trying out Billy Can Can, people walking their dogs, and your regular runners and joggers. For the first time in a while, I felt excited for VP. Once Cinepolis opens, I can see the retail surrounding the park become more popular. I also like how the Cinepolis block has retail facing Victory Ave.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jul 2018 18:53
by Tnexster
Pictures look nice and shows some promise.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jul 2018 19:22
by Jbarn
Is there a parking garage for the cinepolis theatre? If not, they’re screwed.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jul 2018 20:02
by R1070
Jbarn wrote:Is there a parking garage for the cinepolis theatre? If not, they’re screwed.

Yes it's underneath the theater.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Jul 2018 22:55
by ArtVandelay
Is the parking garage facade going to have a light feature? At one point, it looked like there were a bunch of randomly located lights installed.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 12 Jul 2018 09:38
by Reignofcane
ArtVandelay wrote:Is the parking garage facade going to have a light feature? At one point, it looked like there were a bunch of randomly located lights installed.


Yes. They have installed random placements all over the outside of the garage. I think it will be somewhat of a sparkle effect, although the lights themselves will have partial covers that will make the lighting somewhat indirect.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Jul 2018 13:21
by jsoto3
Reignofcane wrote:
ArtVandelay wrote:Is the parking garage facade going to have a light feature? At one point, it looked like there were a bunch of randomly located lights installed.

Yes. They have installed random placements all over the outside of the garage. I think it will be somewhat of a sparkle effect, although the lights themselves will have partial covers that will make the lighting somewhat indirect.


Correct. Here are some renderings of what it will look like: