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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 20 Feb 2020 22:37

THRILLHO wrote:Let's airlift the original Rangers stadium and plop it down right there.


Hard to do, since they tore it down in 1994.... :-)

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 21 Feb 2020 06:59

Dallas’ Hunt Realty focuses on big deals at home
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... s-at-home/


“We decided a couple years ago to redirect our strategy back — going back to our roots of investing in projects and developing sites right here in North Texas,” Kleinert said. “That shift opened the door for us to become passionate about, and ultimately acquiring, the Fields estate property in Frisco and rethinking development possibilities of our two most significant assets, Reunion and Northend.

Hunt Realty is working on plans for what will eventually replace the more than 500 apartments on the Northend site. The zoning allows towers like the ones next door at Victory Park or at Union Dallas, which just sold for the highest price ever paid for such a project.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Tnexster » 21 Feb 2020 08:39

How many times....start thinking about something and next thing you know it's in play.

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Postby WesTexas » 21 Feb 2020 09:15

What I am curious to know is will Gaglardi make a contract to have the visiting NHL teams use his hotel since it will be right next to the AAC?

from the DMN article..

“He said he wanted to build a hotel,” Lites said. “He said he wanted his signature building in Dallas to be next to the arena."
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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby R1070 » 21 Feb 2020 09:16

Great news.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Zmitz » 21 Feb 2020 09:17

One of my biggest wishes out of any redevelopment here is for Ashland St to connect to Houston. And while this isn't Hunt's responsibility, I'd love a simple crosswalk at Houston and Museum Way/High Market St.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Feb 2020 09:51

The removal of those 500 Apartments is really going to hurt the businesses in the area. I really hope they at least bring back 500 units.in the new project

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby WesTexas » 21 Feb 2020 09:56

I don't really mind those apartments. They look out of place but are bringing 500 families into down town Dallas.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby R1070 » 21 Feb 2020 10:16

Could fit a Sam’s Club on that lot!

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Cbdallas » 21 Feb 2020 11:51

Those 500 people could turn into 3000 people if they would build this out to the dense levels of height that this parcel could support today.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 21 Feb 2020 13:01

I know someone who actually moved out of Gables Park Seventeen to the North End units he was kinda over spending so much money on extras but wanted to stay close into Downtown.
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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby DPatel304 » 21 Feb 2020 13:26

Great news! This land could certainly be put to better use and really connect this entire area better

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 21 Feb 2020 13:31

Cbdallas wrote:Those 500 people could turn into 3000 people if they would build this out to the dense levels of height that this parcel could support today.

It's not people. It's units. When's the last time someone proposed a 500 unit development in the core? That's a lot of apartments. I doubt they'll bring back as many units. They'll probably add an office, some residential and retail.

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Postby DPatel304 » 21 Feb 2020 13:39

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Cbdallas wrote:Those 500 people could turn into 3000 people if they would build this out to the dense levels of height that this parcel could support today.

It's not people. It's units. When's the last time someone proposed a 500 unit development in the core? That's a lot of apartments. I doubt they'll bring back as many units. They'll probably add an office, some residential and retail.


It's not like we are short on space in Dallas. If this particular re-development doesn't have 500 more residential units, that's just an opportunity for someone else to build more units on another vacant lot. Clearly the demand is there.

I understand why people would like the north end apartments as they did contain a lot of units and provided a bit of a 'different' living experience compared to most other high-rises in the area. At the same time, it's really killed any sort of cohesiveness this area could have, so I'm happy to see it go.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Cbdallas » 21 Feb 2020 14:16

We can finally have the wedding of lower Uptown and Victory Park into one big happy family.

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Postby MC_ScattCat » 21 Feb 2020 14:40

I wish SW downtown had more development with Hunt. I do feel like it's got great potential. However, With new towers instead of the current apartments I think we can really fill a big hole in the skyline. I hope we can get 500' plus in height at least. Still waiting on Hillwood....

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Postby Tnexster » 21 Feb 2020 15:15

Cbdallas wrote:We can finally have the wedding of lower Uptown and Victory Park into one big happy family.


That would be great, wouldn't it? With at least one of those proposed towers in that rendering being at least 60 floors it could be a total skyline changer. Although Reunion Tower area really needs something new too, preferably something with some height to help pull the skyline to the southwest.

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Postby mhainli » 21 Feb 2020 16:48

MC_ScattCat wrote:I wish SW downtown had more development with Hunt. I do feel like it's got great potential. However, With new towers instead of the current apartments I think we can really fill a big hole in the skyline. I hope we can get 500' plus in height at least. Still waiting on Hillwood....


Yes indeed. Having Hunt own this location is a blessing. Nice to have a developer recognize the importance of a site and want to do something special. Hillwood, TC, and even Hall are conservative, play-it-safers. And don’t hold your breath on Hillwood doing a super tall or something special. Their current office development in Victory is nice but it’s on a primo site adjacent to the AAC and the DART rail station. Would expect far more here.

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Postby wbarch » 22 Feb 2020 13:49

Zmitz wrote:One of my biggest wishes out of any redevelopment here is for Ashland St to connect to Houston. And while this isn't Hunt's responsibility, I'd love a simple crosswalk at Houston and Museum Way/High Market St.

Great idea for connectivity across this big site.

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Postby Matt777 » 22 Feb 2020 14:24

Is this an old development concept for the Northend apartments that I missed? I saw it on Facebook as the cover photo for a DMN article.

It’s called “The Interweave.” Fitting name as it would weave together Uptown, Harwood, and Victory Park. I don’t want to speculate but it almost looks like indoor walkways. That would be a brilliant concept. Indoor pedestrian walkways/greenways with glass ceilings to make it feel outdoors, but it’s indoors with AC, and shops and restaurants lining it. Give it dramatic architecture and programmed lark space, and make it as popular as Klyde Warren. It would be valuable retail space and an oasis from the summer heat while exploring the area.
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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 22 Feb 2020 16:42

What's funny is google matches the image when you do a google image match search but when you click the image which is says is much bigger it takes you to Dallas News Retail section where the article no longer appears to be. My best guess is the article was posted in Dallas News Retail then updated to remove the above image and changed to another news category on the site. I wonder if this is a new or old proposal.
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 22 Feb 2020 18:19

I prefer the other concept with the towers. This look cool too, but I need to see how the architecture combines with the pedestrians for this structure...

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Postby Matt777 » 22 Feb 2020 20:52

Does anyone recognize what the left side of the table contains? Lots of towers but It has to be another area of town. It goes right over 35.

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Postby OrangeMike » 22 Feb 2020 21:31

Matt777 wrote:Is this an old development concept for the Northend apartments that I missed?


It seems old to me because it includes the older proposals for the twin-tower Harwood buildings and the Hillwood cigar shape on the BoA site. Neither of those are active currently, are they?

cowboyeagle05 wrote:What's funny is google matches the image when you do a google image match search but when you click the image which is says is much bigger it takes you to Dallas News Retail section where the article no longer appears to be.


I tried to find the larger image and got the same result.

Matt777 wrote:Does anyone recognize what the left side of the table contains? Lots of towers but It has to be another area of town. It goes right over 35.


Could those be other modular scenarios that fit onto the North End site, showing different densities and designs for the same area? The ”buildings” on the actual property in this pic have the same edge around them as all of those pieces and their shapes are similar, like they all can drop onto the parcel of redeveloped land to envision different plans.

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Postby CTroyMathis » 23 Feb 2020 04:50

You can see that through the windows at St. Paul Station. It's all been there a very long time actually. Bright daylight, you can't see it so easily though. I think I took a picture of that when it was dusk out a couple of years ago from the outside. Can't say what was plugged into the site, I'd have to go deep dive for that picture.

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Postby I45Tex » 23 Feb 2020 09:32

cowboyeagle05 wrote:What's funny is google matches the image when you do a google image match search but when you click the image which is says is much bigger it takes you to Dallas News Retail section where the article no longer appears to be. My best guess is the article was posted in Dallas News Retail then updated to remove the above image and changed to another news category on the site.


TinEye.com has 11 results with dates on them and still gets us the hi-res download.
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Postby tamtagon » 23 Feb 2020 10:02

Any plan that doesn't at least allow for doubling the Nature and Science Museum would be a mistake in my opinion.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 23 Feb 2020 10:43

tamtagon wrote:Any plan that doesn't at least allow for doubling the Nature and Science Museum would be a mistake in my opinion.


I think the lot that Perot owns is the lot in front of the Perot Museum. It's the open parking lot in front of the museum.

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Postby tamtagon » 23 Feb 2020 10:59

^that lot is not big enough. The Hunts need to get with the Perots and plan for a better facility, world class. A lawn is definitely needed for running children, picnics, outdoor displays and more starchitecture.

I'd like to see a giant, visually stunning, living science installation that cleans the air of man-made pollutants so prominently showcased in the current facility.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 23 Feb 2020 11:08

tamtagon wrote:Any plan that doesn't at least allow for doubling the Nature and Science Museum would be a mistake in my opinion.


The worst mistake IMO would be a failure to connect Victory Plaza to the museum. We know that D2 will make Museum Way into a barrier, so a north entrance to the Perot is crucial.

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Postby tamtagon » 23 Feb 2020 11:13

^is there any reason hobo's identified corridor cannot become an trail extension flanked by Nature and Science?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 23 Feb 2020 11:33

tamtagon wrote:^that lot is not big enough. The Hunts need to get with the Perots and plan for a better facility, world class. A lawn is definitely needed for running children, picnics, outdoor displays and more starchitecture.

I'd like to see a giant, visually stunning, living science installation that cleans the air of man-made pollutants so prominently showcased in the current facility.


That lot is effing huge. You could build another museum there. I will say this... There does seem to be some sort of cohesion between the museum and interweave project. If you look closely on the hi res pic, you'll notice that one of the color coded bands is for "culture". Basically the interweave walkways will have some cultural aspect. What that means.. IDk .. but they're certainly trying to incorporate something there... Maybe rotating exhibits .. who knows.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 23 Feb 2020 12:11

tamtagon wrote: A lawn is definitely needed for running children, picnics, outdoor displays and more starchitecture.


There's only one museum that I've seen where a lawn was cool, that being the lawn near the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam. I think this idea would be a cool idea but I'd rather use that space for another museum tbh. But I think the idea could be incorporated still. Imagine a learning/play area under Woodall Rogers, that would be dope. The parking lots under there could be utilized for something more. I've seen underpasses in Mexico City be activated with art and stands.. we could do something like here I think. Imagine if you put stuff under there and reactivated frog alley And had two museums across the street. That'd be a little better than just a lawn imo.

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Postby Cbdallas » 04 Mar 2020 15:47

Love this I remember when that DART station felt so removed from it all over there.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Mar 2020 18:36

Is that the hillwood Amazon site?

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Postby Tnexster » 04 Mar 2020 21:29

This has a fairly impressive footprint.

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Postby homeworld1031tx » 05 Mar 2020 09:46

Tnexster wrote:This has a fairly impressive footprint.


I was thinking the same thing - for a relatively small tower, especially from the renderings that I've seen, they sure have dug up a large area of land.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Mar 2020 11:01

Well its the usual office project in Dallas huge parking garage as a base with a plaza next to the DART station and a tower on top. This is the shorter version of the Amazon proposal. For the Amazon proposal, they added three more floors to the same design to meet Amazon's requirement for a certain amount of square footage available in short order with long term space requirements in later phases. Also, Hillwood already was working with Amazon on opening offices in the city when Amazon went quiet and later announced the now botched Amazon HQ2 contest of champions...I suspect they are still working with Amazon. They still like Dallas for its logistics business and they know the City of Dallas will still write them a check if they open any offices here even though it won't be so massive.
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Postby dallaz » 29 Mar 2020 19:38

It looks like Victory Commons is at street level now. *Bonus* The Victor and the Swexan Hotel (in the background)

This could be the end of the building boom due to Covid-19. I’m satisfied with what has gone up in the last few years.

https://youtu.be/n2CVknE0WaY

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Postby homeworld1031tx » 29 Mar 2020 22:21

Great video. Is that yours or are you just reposting? Asking because I'd love some more info about the drive through testing if you know any. I'm guessing it wasn't open at this point (either for the day or it hadn't been brought online yet in totality) due to the lack of cars.

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Postby dallaz » 30 Mar 2020 00:02

homeworld1031tx wrote:Great video. Is that yours or are you just reposting? Asking because I'd love some more info about the drive through testing if you know any. I'm guessing it wasn't open at this point (either for the day or it hadn't been brought online yet in totality) due to the lack of cars.

Sorry, it’s not my video. I came across it when searching about Covid-19 in Dallas. The drive thru testing center has been running out of tests. So, they’ve been closing very early.

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Postby clcrash19 » 30 Mar 2020 10:52

dallaz wrote:It looks like Victory Commons is at street level now. *Bonus* The Victor and the Swexan Hotel (in the background)

This could be the end of the building boom due to Covid-19. I’m satisfied with what has gone up in the last few years.

https://youtu.be/n2CVknE0WaY



Its been a great run, would love to see victor, victory commons, swexan hotel, the link all finish up in uptown with fingers crossed hopefully still getting the harwood No 12 building done and the central market tower in west village. Would be a great cycle to close out until economy starts strong again

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Postby I45Tex » 21 May 2020 16:12

Matt777 wrote:Is this an old development concept for the Northend apartments that I missed? I saw it on Facebook as the cover photo for a DMN article.

It’s called “The Interweave.” Fitting name as it would weave together Uptown, Harwood, and Victory Park. I don’t want to speculate but it almost looks like indoor walkways. That would be a brilliant concept. Indoor pedestrian walkways/greenways with glass ceilings to make it feel outdoors, but it’s indoors with AC, and shops and restaurants lining it. Give it dramatic architecture and programmed lark space, and make it as popular as Klyde Warren. It would be valuable retail space and an oasis from the summer heat while exploring the area.


Zooming in on a desktop monitor now, to the lower right of the project name in the foreground I can see "December 11, 2017."


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