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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby The_Overdog » 13 Apr 2018 11:21

Does anyone feel that the success (or lack thereof) of the Mavericks and Stars plays into this at all?

I don't think so. The Stars draw really well- 97% full at 18k per game average (http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance) (I know that these are tickets sold and not necessarily fans in the seats - but if the Stars numbers are inflated then everyone else's are too) and The Rangers draw well and their new park is actually has fewer seats than the existing one.

Mavs were 5th in the league this year in attendance, at over 100% of seats sold.

My opinion: once the buildings are filled, VP will be fine.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby tamtagon » 13 Apr 2018 11:57

I'd like AAC to have a nice long run like Madison Square Garden, 50 more years of Mavericks basketball and Stars hockey.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby THRILLHO » 13 Apr 2018 20:44

If Amazon theoretically did move into the VP spot I would love to see them somehow purchase the AA Center and put a park/plaza in its place as part of its campus. It would be an ideal spot for a nice open park that bookends Katy trail.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 19 Apr 2018 16:54

Victory Park's new tallest tower will cost more than $138 million
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... 38-million

Houston developer Hines has filed building permits for what would be the tallest tower in Dallas' Victory Park development near downtown.

The 39-story skyscraper will be constructed across the street from American Airlines Center arena and next door to the W Dallas Victory Hotel and Residences.

Hines in building permit information filed with the city says that the project at 3099 Olive Street will cost more than $138 million.

The residential tower will include 334 apartments and 9,500 square feet of retail space.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Apr 2018 17:20

More residents! Nice. VP getting dense overnight!

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby dallaz » 19 Apr 2018 18:08

Great! Now, if we could only see some renderings

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby willyk » 19 Apr 2018 22:29

Has anyone heard how well the recently opened residential buildings are leasing?

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby clcrash19 » 20 Apr 2018 00:15

Bummer that this will block the w hotel which i think is a beautiful building.. its cool this and amli fountain place are being constructed to add to the skyline, its just stinks they are going to block two amazing buildings.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Roman_Patrick » 20 Apr 2018 07:41

I am very excited for this tower! I do like the W but I feel like the W has the "King" of uptown for too long now, its time for another tower to take the title.
Cheers! :D

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby jwuebben » 20 Apr 2018 08:29


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Postby Roman_Patrick » 20 Apr 2018 08:32

jwuebben wrote:http://www.drecapital.com/investments/3099-olive/

this 29 or 39 stories?


Oh no..
idk anymore.. :oops:

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 20 Apr 2018 09:05

So one version is 334 units at 39 stories and the other is 344 units at 29 stories.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Brettoj » 20 Apr 2018 09:25

You also have 442,315sqft & 838,509sqft. The latter is supposedly from the permit?

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Apr 2018 09:52

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby flyswatter » 20 Apr 2018 10:35

willyk wrote:Has anyone heard how well the recently opened residential buildings are leasing?


Quick glance at Ascent Victory Park's site yields 153 units currently available out of 302...so just under 50% leased. A June 2017 article said it was going to be fully completed in August 2017, so about 8 months in of the full building being available.

Edit: Victory Place has 120 open units out of 352, so faring a little better at 66% leased.
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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby exelone31 » 20 Apr 2018 10:40

Really excited to see this one kick off. And it looks like the retail will funnel into the main "strip" of Victory Park, which is great.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 20 Apr 2018 11:25

clcrash19 wrote:Bummer that this will block the w hotel which i think is a beautiful building.. its cool this and amli fountain place are being constructed to add to the skyline, its just stinks they are going to block two amazing buildings.


Skylines are to be enjoyed at different angles. Adding another building enriches the overall perspective. Whether Buildings are visible is entirely dependent on where you're taking in the view.

I'm glad these two building will bring residents more than anything.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby tanzoak » 20 Apr 2018 12:05

^this is the correct take

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Apr 2018 12:58

They need to start opening some of that retail as these residents move in. It will help the units seem more attractive.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby R1070 » 21 Apr 2018 22:04

How many feet is the proposed 39 story building supposed to be? I think the 43 story Mandarin was supposed to be around 650 feet if I remember correctly.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Tnexster » 22 Apr 2018 10:21

So basically we are looking at the towered rendered with 10 more floors.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby clcrash19 » 23 Apr 2018 11:49

So what is the official proposed height on the tower in the plans that was filed to the city for permit?

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Roman_Patrick » 23 Apr 2018 12:12

The_Overdog wrote:
maximum height of 432 feet that will be comprised of 347 multi-family units in
conjunction with 9,500 square feet of commercial uses consisting of restaurant, retail,
and personal service uses. The proposed development will total 445,145 square feet.


That request is for 3099 Olive, which is the surface parking lot adjacent to the parking garage between Victory Ave & Victory Park Lane. They are going to build a 39 story building to the north of the parking garage.



I am guessing the 432 ft with 39 floors per link below

http://dallascityhall.com/government/me ... Docket.pdf
page 179!

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby willyk » 23 Apr 2018 12:44

VP Retail Update:

Mesero: under construction in the NE corner of The 23 garage.
Imoto: sushi concept under construction in the old Kenichi space
Unnamed gym: under construction in the Skyhouse II garage retail

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby dallaz » 23 Apr 2018 13:40

Roman_Patrick wrote:
The_Overdog wrote:
maximum height of 432 feet that will be comprised of 347 multi-family units in
conjunction with 9,500 square feet of commercial uses consisting of restaurant, retail,
and personal service uses. The proposed development will total 445,145 square feet.


That request is for 3099 Olive, which is the surface parking lot adjacent to the parking garage between Victory Ave & Victory Park Lane. They are going to build a 39 story building to the north of the parking garage.



I am guessing the 432 ft with 39 floors per link below

http://dallascityhall.com/government/me ... Docket.pdf
page 179!
So, it’s going to be slightly shorter than the W.

The W hotel is 439.18 ft (according to Emporis)

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Roman_Patrick » 23 Apr 2018 15:16

dallaz wrote:
Roman_Patrick wrote:
The_Overdog wrote:
That request is for 3099 Olive, which is the surface parking lot adjacent to the parking garage between Victory Ave & Victory Park Lane. They are going to build a 39 story building to the north of the parking garage.



I am guessing the 432 ft with 39 floors per link below

http://dallascityhall.com/government/me ... Docket.pdf
page 179!
So, it’s going to be slightly shorter than the W.

The W hotel is 439.18 ft (according to Emporis)


Correct! Although the rendering from above only has 29 floors.. which is why we are all confused.. :(

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby R1070 » 23 Apr 2018 22:32

Those numbers just don't seem to make sense if it's supposed to be the tallest in VP.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby texasstar » 24 Apr 2018 08:41

So, based on the Planning Commision application, it will be 39 floors and 432 feet. NOT taller than the W after all. So, somebody saw the 39 floors and made an incorrect assumption?

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby exelone31 » 24 Apr 2018 09:28

Well, it's about seven feet shorter, so maybe they're planning to have a life-sized statue of Dirk shooting a one-legged fadeaway on top of the building?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Apr 2018 09:42

It could simply be that it would be the tallest residency only building in Victory Park. The W is a Hotel/Residence so you could make the claim with some minor qualifiers for the sake of sensationalism in headlines that the W doesn't count under whatever was said previously about this new tower. Let's hope we see more final renderings before they start construction.

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Postby nth016 » 24 Apr 2018 10:00

willyk wrote:VP Retail Update:

Mesero: under construction in the NE corner of The 23 garage.
Imoto: sushi concept under construction in the old Kenichi space
Unnamed gym: under construction in the Skyhouse II garage retail


In addition, the restaurant/bar space next to Itsugar with the balconies is under construction (this is Dibs, I believe).
A restaurant called Mio Nonno is going into the first floor of The Ascent. Construction is underway.
And it looks like the bar to be built in the back of the retail garage facing Arpeggio may or may not be happening. Construction stopped a few months back and then just 2-3 weeks ago they removed the chain link fencing around the space.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Apr 2018 10:12

I see why he called it the tallest tower in Victory Park it's because of this qualifier from the article.

Victory Park's current tallest high-rise — the 31-story W Hotel — opened next door to the building site in 2006.


Hines new tower will be 39 stories so he wasn't basing the statement on actual height but by a number of stories.

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Postby mdg109 » 08 May 2018 19:38

There's a handful of open shops as you near the AAC, but it's overpowered by all the boarded up storefronts. With this shop open, you can kind of get a feel for what VP could be.
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Postby R1070 » 08 May 2018 21:25

I saw this tonight and it really stands out and makes you envision what they have in mind for that street. I'm excited to see what happens there. I hope the new highrise apt tower at the end of the street does happen. It's much needed to make this street re-do successful.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 09 May 2018 00:51

I hope this is successful. I just have tamed expectations with this project. Retail seems to die here. I think the area is to subservient to the arena, monstruos garages and parking lot abound. Hopefully this works.

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Postby Cbdallas » 09 May 2018 11:10

With Victory Tavern closing and another closing possible I hope somehow they are able to bring new life back here but I think it will be an uphill climb. Nothing connects this area to the city other than the rail station. Not inviting to walk to from uptown or downtown and butts up against I-35 and arena is more hinderance than help. Somehow they have to stitch this place to the surrounding city.

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Postby R1070 » 09 May 2018 18:31

Field needs a road diet to connect VP to Uptown and Harwood. It just feels like a highway as it is.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Tnexster » 09 May 2018 20:59

It will be fun to see how the Union does, it's a much easier trek if you live or work in LoMac or work just across Woodall in downtown.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby tamtagon » 09 May 2018 22:46

It's between the Design District and Arts District, maybe they ought to try lands some art galleries.

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Postby ArtVandelay » 10 May 2018 07:47

IMO North End is the biggest barrier to connectivity between VP and Uptown.

Would love to see that redeveloped.

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Postby muncien » 10 May 2018 12:16

ArtVandelay wrote:IMO North End is the biggest barrier to connectivity between VP and Uptown.

Would love to see that redeveloped.


Simply removing the fence around North End would be a good start. I understand managing vehicular traffic, but pedestrian flow should not be restricted through this area.

You could easily extend some of those internal streets into the VP fabric and simply put up some bollards to keep vehicles from passing through. Heck, I'd love to live in North End if it were oriented in that manner.
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Postby DPatel304 » 10 May 2018 14:42

muncien wrote:Simply removing the fence around North End would be a good start. I understand managing vehicular traffic, but pedestrian flow should not be restricted through this area.

You could easily extend some of those internal streets into the VP fabric and simply put up some bollards to keep vehicles from passing through. Heck, I'd love to live in North End if it were oriented in that manner.


I really like this idea actually. Long term I would still want the apartments completely gone, but making these changes in the short term would be wonderful.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Cbdallas » 10 May 2018 15:19

Tunnel Harry Hines and McKinnon and build a pedestrian bridge across Field street from the Happiest Hour area into Victory and use the old McKinnon above ground as a Katy Trail extension into lower uptown and connect to Klyde Warren Park. Dreams are free.

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Postby CRE_Investor » 10 May 2018 16:44

muncien wrote:
ArtVandelay wrote:IMO North End is the biggest barrier to connectivity between VP and Uptown.

Would love to see that redeveloped.


Simply removing the fence around North End would be a good start. I understand managing vehicular traffic, but pedestrian flow should not be restricted through this area.

You could easily extend some of those internal streets into the VP fabric and simply put up some bollards to keep vehicles from passing through. Heck, I'd love to live in North End if it were oriented in that manner.


That's not practically possible. North End was built with the only access control being the perimeter fence and gates. Unlike new wrap and podium style projects, there are no access control doors for all of the individual buildings. Residents, multifamily property owners, and insurance companies don't like free and open access to every unit for anyone and everyone.

That project will be redeveloped eventually, but I wouldn't hold your breath that is happens this cycle.

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Postby tamtagon » 10 May 2018 19:37

ArtVandelay wrote:IMO North End is the biggest barrier to connectivity between VP and Uptown.

Would love to see that redeveloped.


I think most of the North End real estate should be turned into a Natural History park.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 11 May 2018 13:24

I wish North End didn't turn it's back to Houston st. There's not any interaction.

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Postby CRE_Investor » 11 May 2018 17:05

You have to remember, North End was built before Victory Park existed and at the time there was a very undesirable industrial/power plant use on the other side of Houston St that you wanted to be as isolated from as possible. Given what was built in 1998 it would be very hard to re-orient and engage Houston Street today. You certainly aren't going to do that when the entire project is going to be redeveloped in the medium term, likely the next 3-7 years if I had to make a slightly educated guess.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 21 May 2018 14:01

Dallas' Victory Park gets its sushi back with new Kent Rathbun spot
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... tory-park/

Imōto, the Japanese word for "little sister," will open at 2400 Victory Park Ln. on June 7.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby exelone31 » 21 May 2018 14:54

lakewoodhobo wrote:Dallas' Victory Park gets its sushi back with new Kent Rathbun spot
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... tory-park/

Imōto, the Japanese word for "little sister," will open at 2400 Victory Park Ln. on June 7.


This article can't be right, it has an actual opening date for something in Victory Park.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Postby willyk » 25 May 2018 10:12

Kessler Pie Co. opening on Victory Park Lane June 2


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