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Postby tamtagon » 22 Aug 2018 09:50

A lot of the Field-Moody-Pearl mess is rooted in the DNT-Harry Hines-McKinnon mess; one gigantic knot strung out over a couple blocks bunched at either end. No more one way streets, reworking DNT-Oak Lawn-Harry Hines cluster provides better vehicular movement, returns some land to Reverchon Park and actually provides for pedestrians and bicycle riders.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Aug 2018 09:25

Yes^. I can not imagine the current configuration done decades ago is working like it used to. It was designed when there wasn't so many active garage driveways and other developments with an active mixture of uses. It seems like the city and TXDOT should look at how to make improvements. Here's hoping that includes pedestrian improvements, not just ways to get cars going faster.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby CTroyMathis » 23 Aug 2018 10:13

The "Do not block intersection" sign stuck in the middle of a very narrow sidewalk is pretty hilarious as well.

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R1070 wrote:Any rumors on what hotel brand will be at this site?


I haven't heard anything. It could be quite possible they will go w/their own Harwood Hospitality Group branding. Or, maybe a brand that is a little more common in Europe.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 23 Aug 2018 11:54

I really like the idea that Harwood Dallas would start a hotel - Dallas Beverly Hills London Zurich

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Postby Tnexster » 25 Aug 2018 17:40

What is that person on the far left? Looks like a crossing guard or something.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby CTroyMathis » 26 Aug 2018 08:34

That is exactly the person's function at this intersection. At a minimum I've seen them every week day, although I do not know the duration of each day on duty. I could be quite mistaken, but, I believe they are DPD.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby flyswatter » 26 Aug 2018 11:49

I know some buildings will hire a off duty cop to stop traffic from blocking garage exits and let people out. Cityplace Tower does this during PM rush hour, for example.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Warrior2015 » 26 Aug 2018 12:11

I'm ready to see some renderings !

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Postby Tnexster » 26 Aug 2018 16:24

flyswatter wrote:I know some buildings will hire a off duty cop to stop traffic from blocking garage exits and let people out. Cityplace Tower does this during PM rush hour, for example.


This happens a lot downtown, with the construction going on, blocked streets and so on it can make for quite a mess at 5:00.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby maconahey » 06 Sep 2018 10:13

Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 06 Sep 2018 10:20

A structure height of 804 feet? Even if that's just the crane height, that yields a tower which is a helluva lot more than 20 stories, doesn't it?

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Postby Kelley USA » 06 Sep 2018 13:05

This project was introduced a few years ago for XII. That is the lot, near Ascent...

http://www.bokapowell.com/project/harwood-phase-xii/

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Postby clcrash19 » 06 Sep 2018 13:12

Wow is this thing going to happen! would be massive for the skyline.

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Postby Warrior2015 » 06 Sep 2018 17:36

maconahey wrote:
Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2

So the 22 story hotel is already u/c and the lot behind ascent will be the 33 story tower ?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby joshua.dodd » 06 Sep 2018 18:15

Now that's a cool looking building.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby I45Tex » 06 Sep 2018 19:21

Cool looking, but please nobody start crying if they build this design and <25 floors of office atop a garage is three hundred feet shorter than maconahey found on the FAA!

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Postby ContriveDallasite » 07 Sep 2018 05:01

I45Tex wrote:Cool looking, but please nobody start crying if they build this design and <25 floors of office atop a garage is three hundred feet shorter than maconahey found on the FAA!


There is so much AAC parking in the immediate vicinity of the buidling. Is there a reason why a deal can't be worked out to limit parking restrictions and allowing the AAC structure to be used for daytime purposes as well?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 08:51

Leases and property value from the circumstance of the ownership. The property is worth more with dedicated parking that the property can control access to. Many of the Harwood types of tenants, big multinational corporations have no stomach for shared parking for the sake of some urbanists desire for fewer garages. They want a garage with security and safe sheltered walk to the luxury elevator and back to their car to drive home to the park cities or Frisco. Harwood isn't leasing to avocado toast millennials here with a desire to walk/bike to work. They want to be rest assured an event or the general public won't complicate access to their parking.

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Postby tamtagon » 07 Sep 2018 09:42

^In addition to vast square footage of dedicated parking, Harwood and Victory Park built commercial service, entertainment, dining and retail space as an amenity for the office tenants. At some point, the amenities spaces will be able to focus more and more on the resident population of the area, balancing the line-up, extending operating hours. In Victory Park, we're seeing the beginning of such a shift thanks at last to the thousands of residential units built recently.

Maybe it wont be much longer before Harwood is able to become an additional walkable destination. The scope and scale of Harwood Street from Katy Trail to Olive Street will become an entirely new deal and the remaining development will fill out with a much larger presence in the skyline as well as create a half mile stretch of tony sidewalk cafes, 'European Food Hall' promenades, and garden trails.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Sep 2018 10:02

If Harwood intl wants to even remotely enter the conciousness of the greater public as as an Urban Live,Work,Play destination they will eventually have to work on the inexistent walkability of their district.

The fact that they own all this land and don't even work on improving the connectivity of the sidewalks as they complete their own buildings tells you everything you need to know about the half ass nature of their "urban" planning.

I'll start dreaming of "European Stlye Promenades" once they hire an actual urban planning firm.

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Postby tamtagon » 07 Sep 2018 10:16

^word

I'm hopeful that what we've seen in renderings for some of these recent projects is the start. Harry Hines/McKinnon is as much an awful commuter raceway as it is an outstanding point of access. I have little doubt minimal tweaks to the side streets and Harwood could create a system of vehicular circulars channeling the peak commuting traffic into the parking with minimal impact on a contiguous pedestrian environment.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 12:50

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:If Harwood intl wants to even remotely enter the conciousness of the greater public as as an Urban Live,Work,Play destination they will eventually have to work on the inexistent walkability of their district.

The fact that they own all this land and don't even work on improving the connectivity of the sidewalks as they complete their own buildings tells you everything you need to know about the half ass nature of their "urban" planning.

I'll start dreaming of "European Stlye Promenades" once they hire an actual urban planning firm.


Totally on board there. There is almost nothing that makes Hall Office Complex in Frisco different from Harwood District here in Uptown. They are both successful office developments with great commercial success no doubt but are ghost towns in more ways than one other than some office workers and an end of day rush hour backup onto the freeway. Hall is trying to solve his lack of activity and amenities by building a shopping center and testing a transit supplement. Harwood has an advantage and they haven't been interested in taking advantage of it either. Call an urban planner, not another engineer.

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Postby kingpin » 16 Sep 2018 13:30

ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby maconahey » 04 Oct 2018 15:11

maconahey wrote:
Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2


Status has been moved from proposed to interim. This probably needs it's own thread since it's a different project

Description of Location: The site is located in Uptown area of Dallas, Texas, and includes Block 367 and Block F/395 on the City map. The site is surrounded by Payne St., N. Akard St., and N. Field St., with Carolina St. crossing between Block 367 and Block F/395.
Description of Proposal: This proposal is for a new fifty-two (52) story office building to be constructed in the Harwood District, uptown Dallas, Texas. Total building height is 804 feet above ground level (1,226 feet ASL). There are no spires or antennas other than roof top equipment.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 140&row=11

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Postby Tnexster » 04 Oct 2018 15:18

This is the long rumored project in front of Cirque and would be a huge addition to the skyline. Since we have touched on hotels near VP today wouldn't it be funny if this project includes a hotel.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Kelley USA » 04 Oct 2018 16:27

Wow, 52 stories... Now we're talking! I can't imagine them building something this magnitude as spec though. Maybe they have a chunk of this already leased?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 04 Oct 2018 16:36

I hope they fix the sidewalks surrounding this new building, specifically along Caroline. Doing so would do a lot towards helping to get people from Ascent, Moda, and Victory Place to Right Aid and the new Tom Thumb by foot.

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Postby Tnexster » 04 Oct 2018 16:48

eburress wrote:I hope they fix the sidewalks surrounding this new building, specifically along Caroline. Doing so would do a lot towards helping to get people from Ascent, Moda, and Victory Place to Right Aid and the new Tom Thumb by foot.


Here's a question, is Caroline Street really necessary or could it be converted to a pedestrian walkway altogether?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Oct 2018 20:47

Tnexster wrote:This is the long rumored project in front of Cirque and would be a huge addition to the skyline. Since we have touched on hotels near VP today wouldn't it be funny if this project includes a hotel.

Is this the would be forum project? HIF ....Hollywood Intl. Forum ..I presume

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Postby CTroyMathis » 04 Oct 2018 20:53

^^ No and yes for sure.

Caroline St. is probably imagined in pencil on paper to be at least one of the points of access/egress to a garage or garages (e.g. one separate across the street/one as podium to tower on the other side of street).

^ Yes, checks with chart as part of the HI Forum area.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 05 Oct 2018 09:25

Tnexster wrote:
eburress wrote:I hope they fix the sidewalks surrounding this new building, specifically along Caroline. Doing so would do a lot towards helping to get people from Ascent, Moda, and Victory Place to Right Aid and the new Tom Thumb by foot.


Here's a question, is Caroline Street really necessary or could it be converted to a pedestrian walkway altogether?


At this point, a pedestrian avenue seems to be as good a use as anything. Re. Caroline's necessity, that diminished greatly when the street grid was broken up. You can Caroline Street is in red in this map from 1920:

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 05 Oct 2018 13:46

Wow that's a great map and yes I agree, the street seem to have limited use as an actual street for cars but could be a great place to link both sides of Field.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby maconahey » 11 Oct 2018 17:23

Haven't seen this posted yet. Too bad it's only 20 stories. I'd love to see this design tall enough to stand out in the skyline

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https://www.cmbeb5visa.com/project/grou ... ood-hotel/
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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby texasstar » 11 Oct 2018 18:04

Wow! Just, wow!!

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Postby CTroyMathis » 11 Oct 2018 18:17

That was a good find for sure.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby dallaz » 11 Oct 2018 19:23

^^^^oh, that looks nice.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 11 Oct 2018 19:59

The renders always look great. But the harwood developments never fail to underwhelm...let's go taller!
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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby joshua.dodd » 11 Oct 2018 20:20

maconahey wrote:Haven't seen this posted yet. Too bad it's only 20 stories. I'd love to see this design tall enough to stand out in the skyline

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https://www.cmbeb5visa.com/project/grou ... ood-hotel/



Now this is the kind of unique architecture Dallas needs.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby hjkll » 11 Oct 2018 21:11

This part of Dallas is so luxurious and expensive yet it’s so boring because all the buildings are the exact same height and there’s 0 street level retail

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 11 Oct 2018 22:09

Nice find, hope this is how it turns out.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 11 Oct 2018 22:41

joshua.dodd wrote:Now this is the kind of unique architecture Dallas needs.


word

here's hoping it's just a start

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby PonyUp13 » 12 Oct 2018 11:17

Beautiful building for people zooming in off the tollway to look at! I bet the street level will be as engaging as Rolex

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby exelone31 » 12 Oct 2018 13:12

It's too bad because of all of the predecessors in this area, because this looks like it'd be a really good building, but I can't help but expect the reality to be a much darker structure with hardly discernible greenery.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Oct 2018 13:49

With a ground floor walled off and unwelcoming like all Harwood projects.

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Postby Tnexster » 15 Oct 2018 12:32

Let's see if I can put a positive spin on this. Ground floor hotel entrance, maybe cafe and restaurant space that opens up to Harwood street which is right across from St Anne's which is a busy and very pleasant space. Plus there is another bistro next to St Anne's. Rolex is across the street which has a very friendly side facing Harwood. I know the back side isn't but the side facing Harwood looked ok. That leaves the crossing which is still a challenge and they probably needs more than a crossing guard. Not sure about the look of the hotel yet, need to see some other renders. So, bottom line is there is potential here. Too bad Harwood can't be converted to pedestrian space.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Oct 2018 15:19

Too bad Harwood isn't a developer who cares a little more about the walkability of their master-planned district but hey once they are done building new stuff they can come back and "fix" what they missed on the first try.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby dbent » 17 Oct 2018 20:01

I wonder if ppl/developers ever read these comments and laugh at the ignorance ? I mean, I do and I’m sure most of you do too with these ppl it’s almost embarrassing....sometimes it’s best not to add your 2 cents

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 17 Oct 2018 22:36

dbent wrote:I wonder if ppl/developers ever read these comments and laugh at the ignorance ? I mean, I do and I’m sure most of you do too with these ppl it’s almost embarrassing....sometimes it’s best not to add your 2 cents

Yeah they do. Turkish Mike, developer of Butler Bros. Building Actually would respond back. Lol But yeah many have been vocal about the harwoods lazy urban planning. They have shit ass sidewalks. The parking lot by the Rolex is laughable. Just second rate "urbanism".


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