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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby ContriveDallasite » 07 Sep 2018 05:01

I45Tex wrote:Cool looking, but please nobody start crying if they build this design and <25 floors of office atop a garage is three hundred feet shorter than maconahey found on the FAA!


There is so much AAC parking in the immediate vicinity of the buidling. Is there a reason why a deal can't be worked out to limit parking restrictions and allowing the AAC structure to be used for daytime purposes as well?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 08:51

Leases and property value from the circumstance of the ownership. The property is worth more with dedicated parking that the property can control access to. Many of the Harwood types of tenants, big multinational corporations have no stomach for shared parking for the sake of some urbanists desire for fewer garages. They want a garage with security and safe sheltered walk to the luxury elevator and back to their car to drive home to the park cities or Frisco. Harwood isn't leasing to avocado toast millennials here with a desire to walk/bike to work. They want to be rest assured an event or the general public won't complicate access to their parking.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 07 Sep 2018 09:42

^In addition to vast square footage of dedicated parking, Harwood and Victory Park built commercial service, entertainment, dining and retail space as an amenity for the office tenants. At some point, the amenities spaces will be able to focus more and more on the resident population of the area, balancing the line-up, extending operating hours. In Victory Park, we're seeing the beginning of such a shift thanks at last to the thousands of residential units built recently.

Maybe it wont be much longer before Harwood is able to become an additional walkable destination. The scope and scale of Harwood Street from Katy Trail to Olive Street will become an entirely new deal and the remaining development will fill out with a much larger presence in the skyline as well as create a half mile stretch of tony sidewalk cafes, 'European Food Hall' promenades, and garden trails.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Sep 2018 10:02

If Harwood intl wants to even remotely enter the conciousness of the greater public as as an Urban Live,Work,Play destination they will eventually have to work on the inexistent walkability of their district.

The fact that they own all this land and don't even work on improving the connectivity of the sidewalks as they complete their own buildings tells you everything you need to know about the half ass nature of their "urban" planning.

I'll start dreaming of "European Stlye Promenades" once they hire an actual urban planning firm.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 07 Sep 2018 10:16

^word

I'm hopeful that what we've seen in renderings for some of these recent projects is the start. Harry Hines/McKinnon is as much an awful commuter raceway as it is an outstanding point of access. I have little doubt minimal tweaks to the side streets and Harwood could create a system of vehicular circulars channeling the peak commuting traffic into the parking with minimal impact on a contiguous pedestrian environment.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 12:50

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:If Harwood intl wants to even remotely enter the conciousness of the greater public as as an Urban Live,Work,Play destination they will eventually have to work on the inexistent walkability of their district.

The fact that they own all this land and don't even work on improving the connectivity of the sidewalks as they complete their own buildings tells you everything you need to know about the half ass nature of their "urban" planning.

I'll start dreaming of "European Stlye Promenades" once they hire an actual urban planning firm.


Totally on board there. There is almost nothing that makes Hall Office Complex in Frisco different from Harwood District here in Uptown. They are both successful office developments with great commercial success no doubt but are ghost towns in more ways than one other than some office workers and an end of day rush hour backup onto the freeway. Hall is trying to solve his lack of activity and amenities by building a shopping center and testing a transit supplement. Harwood has an advantage and they haven't been interested in taking advantage of it either. Call an urban planner, not another engineer.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby maconahey » 04 Oct 2018 15:11

maconahey wrote:
Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2


Status has been moved from proposed to interim. This probably needs it's own thread since it's a different project

Description of Location: The site is located in Uptown area of Dallas, Texas, and includes Block 367 and Block F/395 on the City map. The site is surrounded by Payne St., N. Akard St., and N. Field St., with Carolina St. crossing between Block 367 and Block F/395.
Description of Proposal: This proposal is for a new fifty-two (52) story office building to be constructed in the Harwood District, uptown Dallas, Texas. Total building height is 804 feet above ground level (1,226 feet ASL). There are no spires or antennas other than roof top equipment.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 140&row=11

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 04 Oct 2018 15:18

This is the long rumored project in front of Cirque and would be a huge addition to the skyline. Since we have touched on hotels near VP today wouldn't it be funny if this project includes a hotel.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Kelley USA » 04 Oct 2018 16:27

Wow, 52 stories... Now we're talking! I can't imagine them building something this magnitude as spec though. Maybe they have a chunk of this already leased?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 04 Oct 2018 16:36

I hope they fix the sidewalks surrounding this new building, specifically along Caroline. Doing so would do a lot towards helping to get people from Ascent, Moda, and Victory Place to Right Aid and the new Tom Thumb by foot.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 04 Oct 2018 16:48

eburress wrote:I hope they fix the sidewalks surrounding this new building, specifically along Caroline. Doing so would do a lot towards helping to get people from Ascent, Moda, and Victory Place to Right Aid and the new Tom Thumb by foot.


Here's a question, is Caroline Street really necessary or could it be converted to a pedestrian walkway altogether?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Oct 2018 20:47

Tnexster wrote:This is the long rumored project in front of Cirque and would be a huge addition to the skyline. Since we have touched on hotels near VP today wouldn't it be funny if this project includes a hotel.

Is this the would be forum project? HIF ....Hollywood Intl. Forum ..I presume

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby CTroyMathis » 04 Oct 2018 20:53

^^ No and yes for sure.

Caroline St. is probably imagined in pencil on paper to be at least one of the points of access/egress to a garage or garages (e.g. one separate across the street/one as podium to tower on the other side of street).

^ Yes, checks with chart as part of the HI Forum area.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby eburress » 05 Oct 2018 09:25

Tnexster wrote:
eburress wrote:I hope they fix the sidewalks surrounding this new building, specifically along Caroline. Doing so would do a lot towards helping to get people from Ascent, Moda, and Victory Place to Right Aid and the new Tom Thumb by foot.


Here's a question, is Caroline Street really necessary or could it be converted to a pedestrian walkway altogether?


At this point, a pedestrian avenue seems to be as good a use as anything. Re. Caroline's necessity, that diminished greatly when the street grid was broken up. You can Caroline Street is in red in this map from 1920:

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 05 Oct 2018 13:46

Wow that's a great map and yes I agree, the street seem to have limited use as an actual street for cars but could be a great place to link both sides of Field.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: Harwood No. 11 (The Forum)

Postby maconahey » 02 Nov 2018 14:14

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: Harwood No. 11 (The Forum)

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 02 Nov 2018 15:16

maconahey wrote:Image


So.is this the would be site of the forum? We know this is a Mexican restaurant... Is this Harwood's place holder project?

I know there was a FAA case study for a structure named: HIF (Harwood Intl Forum) .... What was the result of that?...


I believe it was posted on another thread about a month ago...

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: Harwood No. 11 (The Forum)

Postby joshua.dodd » 03 Nov 2018 04:08

I think that project is dead.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby CTroyMathis » 05 Nov 2018 18:18

maconahey wrote:
maconahey wrote:
Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: HIF Phase XII

Work Schedule: 03/01/2019 to 03/31/2022

Site Elevation: 422
Structure Height: 804
Total Height (AMSL): 1226


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 37&row=249
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 40&row=250
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 39&row=251
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 38&row=252



This shows phase XII, which is what I thought this hotel site was, but the longitude/latitude shows the lot behind Ascent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://goo.gl/maps/wSKNqR6RHNQ2


Status has been moved from proposed to interim. This probably needs it's own thread since it's a different project

Description of Location: The site is located in Uptown area of Dallas, Texas, and includes Block 367 and Block F/395 on the City map. The site is surrounded by Payne St., N. Akard St., and N. Field St., with Carolina St. crossing between Block 367 and Block F/395.
Description of Proposal: This proposal is for a new fifty-two (52) story office building to be constructed in the Harwood District, uptown Dallas, Texas. Total building height is 804 feet above ground level (1,226 feet ASL). There are no spires or antennas other than roof top equipment.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 140&row=11


Now, it's back in proposal status at 654'.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 9154&row=3

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby tamtagon » 05 Nov 2018 19:09

That's nice, but I wont have the sense of release until there's on over a thousand feet.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Nov 2018 21:14

tamtagon wrote:That's nice, but I wont have the sense of release until there's on over a thousand feet.

That may be impossible in the Harwood district

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: Harwood No. 11 (The Forum)

Postby willyk » 06 Nov 2018 02:08

I thought the Forum site was just north of this site and south of the Union?

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: Harwood No. 11 (The Forum)

Postby Kelley USA » 06 Nov 2018 10:28

Yes, the Forum site is basically across the street and is still very active.

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Re: Harwood Int'l District: No.12 Harwood Hotel (20 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 06 Nov 2018 13:26

So they backed it down to about 43-45 floors?


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