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Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tnexster » 12 Dec 2016 12:39

Henderson Avenue project would remake popular East Dallas strip

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/real ... llas-strip

East Dallas' popular Henderson Avenue corridor is headed for a major makeover with a new mixed-use project.

Investors and developers who almost four years ago bought up more than two dozen properties along the avenue between U.S. Highway 75 and Ross Avenue are ready to build on the largest vacant tract on the thoroughfare.

Dallas' Open Realty Advisors, which owns the Henderson real estate in partnership with Los Angeles-based CIM Group, is asking the city for zoning to construct a combination of retail, office space and a community garden and park at Glencoe Street and Henderson.

The 4.5-acre project would bring the most significant new construction to the street in decades. And most important, it would add much-needed parking with an underground garage.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Dec 2016 15:32

This is the most exciting thing I've read in a while. So much potential for Henderson. Love the organic growth happening in that area. At some point I. expect LG , Ross & Henderson to collide into a nice cohesive urban area.

That Subway stop looking more and more like a mistake.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tnexster » 12 Dec 2016 15:59

That subway stop was a mistake.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby ContriveDallasite » 12 Dec 2016 17:05

Maybe DART will realize Cotton Belt is a huge waste of money for a Trophy project and can divert the funds to a station that will probably see more usage than that entire line.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby R1070 » 12 Dec 2016 19:51

It would be nice if all of Henderson got a complete streetscape redo.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby eburress » 12 Dec 2016 21:53

Wow, more good news today! Such an exciting project...woohoo!

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Apr 2017 22:18

Anyone hear anything new about this project?

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby willyk » 07 Apr 2017 03:10

I fear that this project falls into the same category as Spire and Midtown--investors who acquire large, strategic blocks of land but who lack the skill or money to develop it, and who lack the good sense to bring in a partner who can do it.

For an example of someone who knew what they were doing look at Rohrman's acquisitions in Deep Ellum. The Henderson project has much more favorable fundamentals than Deep Ellum (location, access, neighborhood, demographics), but Deep Ellum blossomed while Henderson has moved like molasses.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 Aug 2017 09:50

So... Per this Central Article the Beauty Bar is moving to Deep Ellum ; but what is particularly interesting is that they mention the Henderson redevelopment as the reason behind the relocation.

Anyone know of the validity of this project? It was speculated this was dead.

Here's the story:
http://www.centraltrack.com/exclusive-b ... arly-2018/

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby R1070 » 25 Aug 2017 18:19

They really need to do something with Henderson Ave. Some parts of it are just so blah.

And that huge parking lot that was built for Mellow Mushroom (that is now closed). Ugh... makes me sick.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Cord1936 » 25 Aug 2017 19:02

willyk wrote:I fear that this project falls into the same category as Spire and Midtown--investors who acquire large, strategic blocks of land but who lack the skill or money to develop it, and who lack the good sense to bring in a partner who can do it.


Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Anyone know of the validity of this project? It was speculated this was dead.


The VPNA (Vickery Place Neighborhood Association) has been fighting this development tooth and toenail. They do not want it to happen and have been trying to prevent it from happening.

A gentleman who works for the developer recently moved into a home diagonally across the street from me and was telling me they are wending their way through City Council, planning hearings, etc. and having to battle the VPNA every step of the way.

Neighborhood groups sometimes seem to just not get it ... without good urban development such as what this project represents the City will die!

Growth is a good thing, not bad.

And with this particular developer footing the bill for significant costs that they would not otherwise have to do (the landscaping and green park areas), building a 2 story underground parking garage, and stating upfront no bars are to be in the development the VPNA is WAY out of line in opposing this.

If not for the resistance against the project it would have already started long ago ... I believe it will still happen as the developer is committed to seeing it through. But they are having to fight practically every step of the way to make it happen.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 Aug 2017 23:24

Thanks for the response..Do you know what exactly they arguing for/against?

I would like to know more about what the neighborhood association is not in agreement with.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby CRE_Investor » 28 Aug 2017 09:46

The VPNA is against it primarily because of increased traffic on Henderson and potentially nearby neighborhood streets. I would love to see this project happen, but Henderson has become a major thoroughfare for the area despite being only a two lane road. Arguments that this kind of development helps the areas walkability thereby decreasing the need for local car trips falls on deaf ears and is countered by the neighborhood association's fear it will draw lots of traffic from other areas and the large parking garage will facilitate that.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby R1070 » 28 Aug 2017 19:22

Where was the opposition to "more cars" when that huge surface lot was allowed to be built for the previous Mellow Mushroom restaurant?

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby CRE_Investor » 29 Aug 2017 07:27

Car trips and parking for 190k SF of restaurant and retail >>>>>>>>>>> one pizza place.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby LongonBigD » 29 Aug 2017 19:02

These are the same neighbors who killed the K-H DART station who changed their minds now that it's too late.

I can see their point about parking, but if that is your argument, you can't also fight developers if they want to put a parking solution in place.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 29 Aug 2017 19:15

LongonBigD wrote:These are the same neighbors who killed the K-H DART station who changed their minds now that it's too late.

I can see their point about parking, but if that is your argument, you can't also fight developers if they want to put a parking solution in place.


Very valid argument. So is it just traffic they don't want. Give me a break there's already traffic there.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 29 Aug 2017 20:53

LongonBigD wrote:These are the same neighbors who killed the K-H DART station who changed their minds now that it's too late.


I think you'll find very few people have actually changed their minds. You've just got the same small group of people still making noise about it 30 years later, while the majority who won that battle continue on with their lives.

Interestingly, history has proven those who objected to a station due to crime issues to be all too precognizant.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby gshelton91 » 30 Aug 2017 08:52

I just don't get it-- do these people know they live in a city? if they want to live in the suburbs with a quite culdesac there are plenty of them around. I bet they are not upset that all that traffic has significantly raised their home values or reduced their crime.

back in the early 2000 I think 10 people were killed in a mass murder at belmont and Henderson... now that apartment and most of the other old apartments have been torn down and replaced. In another 10 years we will probably all have self driving cars anyway.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 30 Aug 2017 09:40

gshelton91 wrote:I just don't get it-- do these people know they live in a city? if they want to live in the suburbs with a quite culdesac there are plenty of them around.


The Dallas complex. You wanna live in Central Dallas, but you don't want to have cars and traffic on your streets (yet you still drive everywhere); while at the same time exhibiting an inherit disdain for transit because of "crime".

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby tamtagon » 30 Aug 2017 09:45

I can understand the Cul de sac mentality, the desire to keep a neighborhood intact. A lot has been learned during 30 years of Lower Greenville change.

I don't get it, either, when the neighborhood association refuses the rest of the world to acknowledge that Henderson must be "ceded" in order to keep the residential ambiance alive - at a minimum. Paying close attention and guiding the renovation of Henderson between Ross and Central to allow a major build up will make the neighborhood better. Nightmare visions of debilitating traffic are true thru approval of aforementioned Mellow Mushroom parking deals.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby rantanamo » 31 Aug 2017 01:18

Can Gaston has this developments?

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby willyk » 31 Aug 2017 03:20

The City needs to do a better job of pushing these deals through. Dallas is not a blank slate like Frisco. Dallas needs investment to grow its tax base and the only opportunities are urban redevelopments like this. The same thing happened at Preston Center. If people want the City and DISD to spend more on services and schools, then they should let these deals go forward, even welcome them. If they don't this capital will go elsewhere.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 15 Dec 2017 11:18

Any updates on this?...I'm rooting for this project but it seems no one is reporting anything on this so it's hard to gauge where we stand on this....

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 15 Dec 2017 12:58

Well parts of it were discussed in the city council meeting Wednesday.

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 26 Dec 2017 11:12

Finally! Some actual reporting for this story.


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas- ... over-limbo

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Re: Henderson Avenue Corridor

Postby eburress » 26 Dec 2017 12:58

I love the project as it's been proposed and hopefully the compromise they settle on keeps much of the spirit of this original proposal.


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