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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby ebird » 05 Jul 2017 20:13

JoninATX wrote:Any updates?


Drove by yesterday. Nothing yet.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby j_d_p » 01 Aug 2017 08:48

There is actually some equipment moving dirt around this morning on the plot that is on the same side as Ross as the KPMG building. Not a ton of activity, but some after months of nothing.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 01 Aug 2017 09:41

^Good to know, glad something is happening.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby maconahey » 01 Aug 2017 11:57

Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019


Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990



https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Cord1936 » 01 Aug 2017 13:09

maconahey wrote:
Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019

Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123

^^^^^^^
Wow, if that is the height of the tower that is very nice!

At 520 feet tall that would make an impressive impact on the skyline! Museum Tower is 560 feet and Hall's tower would be getting very close to that.

Downtown will be receiving some skyscraper height buildings what with Hall Arts Hotel & Residences, the AMLI Fountain Place, and 2121 Flora Street. There are others that could happen but those three are a nice start to getting some relatively impressive height added to Downtown Dallas.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 01 Aug 2017 13:44

520 feet is the height for the crane, not the building.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Cmacemm » 01 Aug 2017 13:49

Yeah but how tall will the crane be?

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 01 Aug 2017 13:55

It was reported in the first post in this thread that the FAA has issued a determination for the building at 440 feet. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 4234&row=5
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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 01 Aug 2017 15:23

This is a 25 story tower? Still, a fairly significant addition to the skyline along with the other two mentioned although I think AMLI will be the most striking and significant change since Museum Tower.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby R1070 » 01 Aug 2017 20:56

I just don't know how a 25 floor residential bldg will add up to 440 feet.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Cbdallas » 02 Aug 2017 08:13

The stories can have varying heights. The penthouses could have 20 ft. ceilings for instance.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby dbent » 02 Aug 2017 08:15

In the description, it says a mixed-use project with an 8-level podium and a 26-level condominium tower. So, wouldn't that be 32 floors total ? Makes more sense for 440 feet

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 4234&row=5

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 02 Aug 2017 10:38

dbent wrote:In the description, it says a mixed-use project with an 8-level podium and a 26-level condominium tower. So, wouldn't that be 32 floors total ? Makes more sense for 440 feet

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 4234&row=5


That is an odd (perhaps outdated) description. It does not comport with any of the renderings or with the descriptions on the project's own website.

Keep in mind that FAA filings often state a height taller than the actual plans.
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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby joshua.dodd » 02 Aug 2017 11:01

That is crazy height for a 25 floor building. The Magnolia is 29 floors and tops at 400 feet.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 02 Aug 2017 11:28

joshua.dodd wrote:That is crazy height for a 25 floor building. The Magnolia is 29 floors and tops at 400 feet.


It's the high ceilings no doubt

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby buildingswithlegs » 02 Aug 2017 11:48

I believe the "8-story podium" is off to the side and not contributing to the overall height of the tower

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 02 Aug 2017 12:09

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
joshua.dodd wrote:That is crazy height for a 25 floor building. The Magnolia is 29 floors and tops at 400 feet.


It's the high ceilings no doubt


Combination of high ceilings and an overstated FAA application. For reference, the most recent high-rise luxury residential buildings built in Dallas are:

Museum Tower - 42 stories - 560 feet
Bleu Ciel - 32 stories 375 feet

Using those average floor heights would put the Hall Arts residences in the 293 - 333 foot range. Mr. Hall may be planning higher ceilings than those two projects, but it seems unlikely his ceilings will be 33-50% higher.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 02 Aug 2017 12:24

I found this on the website, if the ceilings are already high one can assume this feature would add to that height per floor.

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/building/

HALL Arts Residences features a raised floor system, which enhances each home by providing several advantages that promote energy efficiency, homeowner comfort and convenience. A raised floor system creates an 18” open space between the floor of a room and its structural slab, which can be used for a variety of positive enhancements such as increased sound dampening and consistent heating and air conditioning flow. When renovating for spatial changes or for new technology, a raised access floor system provides homeowners with an extraordinary level of flexibility while minimizing discomfort to neighbors during the process.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 02 Aug 2017 12:27

Also, there is no podium but the penthouse is enormous and looks like it could almost be three or four floors so that would add to the overall height.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby CTroyMathis » 02 Aug 2017 15:49

Slab to slab appears to be 12.5', including the future-proofing space with remaining 11' floor to ceilings for floors 3-25.

Lets take 25 floors, subtract 1 for no 13th floor. Then subtract the lobby and 2nd floor amenities areas.

22 stories x 12.5'.
Let's be generous and say the 2nd floor is also 12.5' with super fun future-proofing.
Being generous again, let's say the lobby is a sweet 20' tall. Ok, sounds fun, too.
Now for that 2nd floor of the penthouse, which lets-out to the roof however is inhabitable - let's call that 12.5', generous again.
Then the additional embellishments that rise well above the 2FLR PH, let's just call it nice 25'.

So, somewhat roughly you have. . .
345 FT to structural/ornamental top (275+12.5+20+12.5+25)
320 FT to roof of highest inhabitable space (-25)
307.5 to rooftop terrace (-12.5)

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/residences/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW-4UcQDa1n ... residences (11' floor to ceiling and the 18" of future-proofing is added to the slab to slab height)

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby joshua.dodd » 02 Aug 2017 16:41

maconahey wrote:
Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019


Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990



https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123


520 feet? Downtown Dallas is finally getting some real skyscrapers now!

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby willyk » 02 Aug 2017 17:04

So much action in the Arts District and on Ross. It's time for Lucy to do something...especially before Spire announces some half baked thing and screws up the market.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 02 Aug 2017 18:30

joshua.dodd wrote:
maconahey wrote:
Work Schedule: 10/16/2017 to 04/30/2019


Site Elevation: 470
Structure Height: 520
Total Height (AMSL): 990



https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 04&row=123


520 feet? Downtown Dallas is finally getting some real skyscrapers now!


LOL Only if you count cranes as skyscrapers.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby joshua.dodd » 03 Aug 2017 13:11

Well, cranes do scrape the sky. So...

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby R1070 » 04 Aug 2017 22:26

This site looks like it's getting ready to start construction. Everything is fenced off and lanes of traffic around it have shifted.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby lakewoodhobo » 14 Aug 2017 10:50

Work finally underway on downtown Dallas condo and hotel tower
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... otel-tower

"We had some delays but have gotten our permits from the city and have started," developer Craig Hall said. "These things always take longer than you expect."

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby R1070 » 14 Aug 2017 19:01

They were doing a lot of site prep work over the weekend. I'll be excited to see the crane go up on this one!

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 28 Aug 2017 15:10

Any updates here? Is work really starting?

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby maconahey » 22 Sep 2017 17:53

This angle doesn't show much, but from what I can tell there's a decent size hole on the Ross side
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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby kingpin » 24 Sep 2017 17:43

9/24/17

ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr
ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr
ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr
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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby gbud » 20 Nov 2017 15:22

Could not take a picture, but crane is up. Here we go! 8-)

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby gbud » 21 Nov 2017 14:23

Image



Edit:
ImageHall Residence by g bud, on Flickr

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby CTroyMathis » 21 Nov 2017 16:08

g bud, I edited-in your photo. Hopefully it works for all and not just me.

Also, here's some aerial shots and another shot of the site:

https://twitter.com/AustinAdvantage/sta ... 4091810818

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby DPatel304 » 21 Nov 2017 16:25

The photo works for me. Thanks for the picture updates!

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Dtown214 » 21 Nov 2017 18:48

Good to see this one going up!

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 21 Nov 2017 22:05

Great to see so much activity on Ross.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby buildingswithlegs » 23 Nov 2017 16:21

I imagine that there will be two cranes, one for the hotel and one for the tower portion. This seems to be for the hotel, no?

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Postby texasstar » 01 Jan 2018 16:33

gbud wrote:Image



Edit:
ImageHall Residence by g bud, on Flickr


Why do we have ugly overhead wires downtown?

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby hjkll » 01 Jan 2018 19:21

texasstar wrote:
gbud wrote:Image



Edit:
ImageHall Residence by g bud, on Flickr


Why do we have ugly overhead wires downtown?


There are way uglier things in downtown to worry about than telephone wires... I'd rather have overheard wires than 10 story parking garages

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 01 Jan 2018 22:05

^ the soul-less parking garages are the worst. They're not even pretty to look at

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 03 May 2018 20:54

High-rise builder hopes wellness sells at downtown Dallas luxury condo

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... xury-condo

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby R1070 » 04 May 2018 16:55

Anyone heard what hotel flag will be on this site? I've also heard that this could be 28 floors instead of 25.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 05 May 2018 13:45

According to them it will be 28 floors and that seems to be with tall floor plates with that raised floor system. Looks like it will be about double the height of KPMG.

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby joshua.dodd » 05 May 2018 20:34

texasstar wrote:
gbud wrote:Image



Edit:
ImageHall Residence by g bud, on Flickr


Why do we have ugly overhead wires downtown?


The more density starts to encroach upon this side of town, the further the overhead wires will recess.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tucy » 07 May 2018 04:16

Tnexster wrote:According to them it will be 28 floors and that seems to be with tall floor plates with that raised floor system. Looks like it will be about double the height of KPMG.

http://www.hallartsresidences.com/


There is no 13th floor. So really 27 stories.
Emporis has it at 440 ft. (which was the FAA filing so may slightly overstate) vs 289 for KPMG. Based on CTroyMathis' helpful calculations upthread, I'm still not how they get to 440 feet. I suspect they got FAA clearance for more than they actually need.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby maconahey » 15 May 2018 22:10

Finally up to ground level

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

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ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr

ImageUntitled by Around My City, on Flickr

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby Tnexster » 26 May 2018 16:20

Oh good, finally coming above ground.

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Re: Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Postby R1070 » 12 Jul 2018 21:51

I believe they are working on the 2nd floor now. It should start to go up faster. That first floor is always the slowest.


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