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Re: Parking Garages

Postby joshua.dodd » 25 Oct 2018 06:36

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
ContriveDallasite wrote:It's a small step forward, but no way this parking garage would have retail 5+ years ago.

The exposed garage with no masking is atrocious. Absolutely cheap, kills the charm of the historical buildings nearby.


It really does. Parking garages are the Apex of brutalism. Without even trying.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Oct 2018 09:30

The expansion is only on part of the Elm Street garage. You can simply look at the google maps and see its two garages merged together with the part that services Comerica Tower is getting an expansion.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tucy » 25 Oct 2018 09:40

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
ArtVandelay wrote:Just came from a D2 meeting and the Elm Street garage is about to undergo and expansion. /Facepalm/


The city owned Elm Street Garage , by UNT Dallas- Downtown?! Why?! The city doesn't do itself any favors building garages (KWP, this, other public garages).. Especially when every building in Downtown has a garage. Harwood St. Is a Garage alley. /Faceplant/


I don't think the Elm Street Garage (at 2102 Elm) is city-owned. I think it is owned by the same company that owns Comerica Bank Tower. That company recently got a new loan, part of the proceeds of which will be used to expand this parking garage (unless I have my Elm Street garages confused).https://www.bisnow.com/dallas-ft-worth/news/office/comerica-bank-tower-gets-new-loan-92711

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tnexster » 25 Oct 2018 09:42

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
ContriveDallasite wrote:It's a small step forward, but no way this parking garage would have retail 5+ years ago.

The exposed garage with no masking is atrocious. Absolutely cheap, kills the charm of the historical buildings nearby.


Is that the finished product? Looks like it's still under construction.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 Oct 2018 09:58

Tnexster wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
ContriveDallasite wrote:It's a small step forward, but no way this parking garage would have retail 5+ years ago.

The exposed garage with no masking is atrocious. Absolutely cheap, kills the charm of the historical buildings nearby.


Is that the finished product? Looks like it's still under construction.


Essentially, yes. There will be a sign that says parking per the render. But other than that; what you see is what you get. Concrete and wires.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tnexster » 25 Oct 2018 11:21

^Ugh....wish they would have at least bricked it to make it look a bit more like the building.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 25 Oct 2018 12:08

Tnexster wrote:^Ugh....wish they would have at least bricked it to make it look a bit more like the building.


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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tnexster » 25 Oct 2018 14:06

That's actually worse. It's probably way too much garage space too. I wish they would at the very least cover these things up or even make them a living wall.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby maconahey » 21 Nov 2018 14:40

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby lakewoodhobo » 30 Nov 2018 14:57

Just passed the new one on St. Paul across from First Baptist, and I can't help but notice how awful Federal Plaza looks. The city actually gave this developer right of way over Wenchell Ln and didn't ask for a single thing in return, not even a light fixture or a decorative feature facing the park.

I guess the most we can expect is they'll let someone paint a mural on this wall.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 30 Nov 2018 15:57

Why does Dallas allow these exposed garages with wires?! So infuriating. The same crap happened with the cheap hotel across union station facing dealt plaza.

Modera Apartments in uptown, this...and don't get me started on the Butler building and the Marriott nears farmers market.......

Butler Bros garage is so ugly and there's brown sludge all over the place now...I wish I had picture


Grotesque

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby joshua.dodd » 01 Dec 2018 09:04

The Butler's parking garage has been there for over 40 years, so it has a good excuse. Everything else, agree. I also find it hilarious that we have a thread dedicated to parking garages. This thread alone epitomizes the cultural significance of Dallas' carcentric mentality. On another note, aren't many of these newer garages designed to be later transformed into liveable spaces?

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby tamtagon » 01 Dec 2018 10:11

joshua.dodd wrote:On another note, aren't many of these newer garages designed to be later transformed into liveable spaces?


Probably, or at least planned for more stuff on top.... At least a handful of the biggest older garages in downtown were initially built to hold up a significant office building (Headington, Plaza of America) so those building will get build and the parking dynamic will adjust. That one across from Crow Collection of Asian Art is being build to hold more stuff...

I think the fate of the parking garage moves at a very slow pace, especially when stacked up against the forum's favorite topics. I'm not too concerned downtown one day will have to come up with a plan to address derelict parking garages idling toward demolition through neglect. Isn't Plano the first city to start reviewing parking requirements, thanks to a review from Granite? It'll come time in Dallas City Council to allow for development without too much parking, especially residential and hotel.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby DPatel304 » 02 Dec 2018 14:11

joshua.dodd wrote:On another note, aren't many of these newer garages designed to be later transformed into liveable spaces?


If they are, I haven't heard a single thing about that. I've been saying for a while that this should be the standard, but, to my knowledge, I've only seen examples of this in other bigger cities (I seem to recall a garage in LA that was built with the intention of being converted sometime down the line).

This honestly seems like a no brainer to me. Forget digging underground, build a aesthetically pleasing garage above ground that can be later converted into residential. In the short term, it won't be ideal, but it'll save costs/time being above ground, give the building that higher parking ratio, and give us more room to grow in a decade or so. I'd happily put up with more above ground parking if it were designed this way.

tamtagon wrote:I think the fate of the parking garage moves at a very slow pace, especially when stacked up against the forum's favorite topics. I'm not too concerned downtown one day will have to come up with a plan to address derelict parking garages idling toward demolition through neglect. Isn't Plano the first city to start reviewing parking requirements, thanks to a review from Granite? It'll come time in Dallas City Council to allow for development without too much parking, especially residential and hotel.


I wonder if the parking garages of today will eventually become 'urban trailer parks'. After-all, RVs are basically studios on wheels, and, once we have self driving RVs, I can see them becoming popular again. I guess they would have to shake off the negative connotation and make them trendy/cool somehow.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby joshua.dodd » 03 Dec 2018 12:23

I don't think parking garages have high enough clearance for RVs

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby dd_dweller » 23 Dec 2018 10:52

Does anyone know what’s being done to the Neiman Marcus parking garage?
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Re: Parking Garages

Postby tanzoak » 23 Dec 2018 13:11

tamtagon wrote:It'll come time in Dallas City Council to allow for development without too much parking, especially residential and hotel.


I mean, why not allow it now. I highly doubt there would be any interest from developers in very low- or no-parking buildings at the moment, but why wait until after the market has change to allow it? No point in being reactive instead of proactive.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby deweast » 23 Dec 2018 19:40

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby lakewoodhobo » 01 Feb 2019 12:14

Heard a rumor that after 24-Hour Fitness leaves the Bryan Tower garage, the new tenant will be... nothing. Bryan Tower is supposedly expanding the parking garage to include at least the two floors occupied by the gym. To attract more tenants and what not.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby itsjrd1964 » 09 Feb 2019 11:36

The Hampton Inn/AC Hotel/Residence Inn garage, as of a week or so ago. I don't know if the white at each end is the color that will be used for the outside or if that's a primer coat.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tnexster » 09 Feb 2019 14:24

Well, at least it has ground floor space.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby itsjrd1964 » 10 Feb 2019 04:23

That it has. Not sure how much luck they'll have filling it, after not having any takers yet for the corner spot by the Hampton (the Fireside Pies tease notwithstanding).

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby lakewoodhobo » 10 Feb 2019 11:51

If that retail space was built for a restaurant use, it may be easier to lease than the Commerce storefronts here and at Mercantile Commerce that never got filled. The fact that there's now dedicated parking should help.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby joshua.dodd » 10 Feb 2019 18:34

Tnexster wrote:Well, at least it has ground floor space.


lol

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby R1070 » 10 Feb 2019 19:20

Apparently there are some big 2019 announcements coming for the big Trammel Crow garage regarding the next phases of development.

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Re: Parking Garages

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 10 Feb 2019 23:13

R1070 wrote:Apparently there are some big 2019 announcements coming for the big Trammel Crow garage regarding the next phases of development.

Trammel Crow you say?...let me guess, Prolly another garage on top of the garage.


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