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Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 07 Sep 2017 11:43
by soco
The City is already exploring various parking strategies to manage the bikes in the right-of-way. Ideas include saturating the service area with bike racks, bike corrals in high destination areas, etc. Downtown Dallas Inc. has pledged to install over 100 racks in the downtown area. The City is looking into buying more racks and continuing to have them installed throughout the core area like has already been done in downtown, Deep Ellum, and the Cedars. Staff has also been in contact with trail 'friends' groups to address bike parking along the trails.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 07 Sep 2017 11:45
by tamtagon
Thanks soco!

The bike rental companies share a funding responsibility.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 07 Sep 2017 11:46
by soco
Agreed. We've thought about requiring their participation in providing bike parking.

Also, the 311 system is being updated to include a way to report issues related to bike share. Comments/complaints can be logged and sent directly to the specific bike share company. The bike companies are listed by name and bike color so people can identify the proper company. That is going 'live' this week for the online system, and will be online soon for the app.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 07 Sep 2017 11:51
by DPatel304
That's great news! I'm really excited to see what more changes come to the city as a result of these bike sharing programs.

tamtagon wrote:The bike rental companies share a funding responsibility.


I'm not so sure I agree. I'm not against them sharing the funding, but Dallas has lagged way behind when it comes to bike infrastructure, and that's not VBikes/Spin/LimeBikes fault. We should be lucky that they even considered this city, considering how unfriendly it is to bikers, and I feel that adding bike racks is simply the city's way of catching up to where they should be.

But hey, even better if these programs to want to help with the funding.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 07 Sep 2017 14:39
by Matt777
These bike sharing companies have made a wonderful and super rapid impact on Dallas. I see people on these everywhere. Last week, I was having a lovely dinner at the food hall in the Farmer's Market, watching patrons arrive on their vBikes, and I was very impressed. I don't think the bike share companies should be responsible for additional bike rack costs. That's something the city should have been doing for years and has just dropped the ball. Not the companies' fault.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 12 Sep 2017 10:15
by lakewoodhobo
Matt777 wrote:These bike sharing companies have made a wonderful and super rapid impact on Dallas. I see people on these everywhere. Last week, I was having a lovely dinner at the food hall in the Farmer's Market, watching patrons arrive on their vBikes, and I was very impressed. I don't think the bike share companies should be responsible for additional bike rack costs. That's something the city should have been doing for years and has just dropped the ball. Not the companies' fault.


I know it's making a difference when even my friends (99% of which don't care about this civic stuff) start talking about how cool these bikes are and even start using them. Still not seeing how they will be profitable given how some bikes are being destroyed and/or sometimes used by some shady characters who probably aren't paying for them, but I really hope they stick around.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 12 Sep 2017 12:47
by Tivo_Kenevil
lakewoodhobo wrote:
Matt777 wrote:These bike sharing companies have made a wonderful and super rapid impact on Dallas. I see people on these everywhere. Last week, I was having a lovely dinner at the food hall in the Farmer's Market, watching patrons arrive on their vBikes, and I was very impressed. I don't think the bike share companies should be responsible for additional bike rack costs. That's something the city should have been doing for years and has just dropped the ball. Not the companies' fault.


I know it's making a difference when even my friends (99% of which don't care about this civic stuff) start talking about how cool these bikes are and even start using them. Still not seeing how they will be profitable given how some bikes are being destroyed and/or sometimes used by some shady characters who probably aren't paying for them, but I really hope they stick around.


They sell data.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 13 Sep 2017 09:31
by cowboyeagle05
Personally, I would love to see the data after a year. Create a hot map that shows all kinds of patterns. Such data could help improve bike infrastructure for sure but I wonder who else they sell to.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 13 Sep 2017 12:29
by awrocksu
Try the Orange Spin Bikes, they are amazing. If you use promo code spinride14 you can get 10 free rides. Just check it out at http://spinbikeshare.com

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 18 Sep 2017 17:13
by The_Overdog
I saw a Vbike parked outside a restaurant on Preston & Park in Plano on early Saturday morning. Somebody either rode a long way or gave that thing a ride in their car.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 22 Sep 2017 22:33
by R1070
Been seeing a lot of homeless appearing folks on these bikes. I'm wondering if they are finding a way to crack them so they can just take them.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 22 Sep 2017 23:32
by Tivo_Kenevil
R1070 wrote:Been seeing a lot of homeless appearing folks on these bikes. I'm wondering if they are finding a way to crack them so they can just take them.


Lol. Hilarious. I have yet to see that. Are you sure they were homeless? It would be mighty difficult without hardware tools to break locks.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 23 Sep 2017 00:01
by LongonBigD
I recently saw 3 middle school kids riding. Did they have a credit card? Don't know.

Two thoughts: broken lock OR people don't know how to lock the bikes after they are finished.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 06 Oct 2017 14:35
by muncien
Not much here... but the City of Irving looks ready to approve placement of VBikes on Campion trail and other city property. I have recently seen the same bikes at Valley Ranch HOA office. They said they expect to allow them on Valley Ranch trails soon.

6 Resolution - Approving an Agreement with VBikes Technology to Allow
VBikes Bicycles on City Property at No Cost to the City of Irving
Administrative Comments
1. This item is recommended by the Parks and Recreation.
2. Impact: Approval of this agreement will allow VBikes Technology to provide
bicycles along Campion Trails for use by residents and the general public.
3. The VBikes program was presented to TNR on July 5, 2017.
4. Interested parties can download the VBikes app to sign up for service and pay
$1.00 per hour for each ride, or $14.95 per month for unlimited rides.
5. VBikes will operate their program on city property free of charge for a term of one
year, commencing upon execution of this agreement.
6. The agreement has a one-year renewal option and can be terminated at any time
by either party with ten (10) days written notice.
Recommendation
The resolution be approved.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 31 Oct 2017 16:12
by flyswatter

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 31 Oct 2017 18:14
by Tivo_Kenevil
^ what a crappy article. He says Dallas can't handle Bike share. But doesn't define what "Handles" mean... from what I could infer it means "My biggest complaints are the scattered bikes (Get over it) and vandalized bikes" (Are they yours?)... Yawn....

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 31 Oct 2017 23:32
by DPatel304
Definitely a poorly written article. This isn't a problem with Dallas, it's a problem with these bike programs. Any city wouldn't be able to handle this many bike share programs (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdsb2wwn-7g).

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 01 Nov 2017 09:04
by tamtagon
How much is a good sturdy bike rack? and how much for the installation? People will use the racks if they're there.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 01 Nov 2017 09:10
by muncien
What is the city supposed to do? They aren't paying for the bikes... I suppose, they could enforce litter penalties for disabled bikes such as those pictured, but 'banning' bike share would be a MASSIVE mistake.
The only two viable options I see are...
1. Build out infrastructure to support bikes, period. I'm talking about a bike rack on every side of every block... and then require that the bikes be returned to a bike rack when one is available within so many feet (300?).
2. Limit city wide bike share to a SINGLE company, that in turn pays a small fee to the city to help establish infrastructure (bike racks). I don't think this is a good idea, but if you feel you 'have' to do something, this seems somewhat reasonable.

The worse thing the city could do is to heavily regulate bike share. The likes of Amazon and other companies would see such things as contrary to their way of life... no doubt.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 03 Nov 2017 10:59
by The_Overdog
I still can't quite figure out if the complaints are real - as in bikes are legitimately scattered and actually *blocking* real foot traffic (which would be a positive sign for foot traffic numbers and needs to be solved) or if they are almost 100% aesthetic, as in a few scattered bikes look messy. From what I've seen (very limited view) the concerns seem to be mostly aesthetic.

BTW, a bike rack costs about $500-$1000 for a dozen bikes and the installation is you just drop it out of a truck and set it on the ground. A fancy installation might involve bolting it to the ground, but that is not necessary except in the worst areas, it's for aesthetics.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 03 Nov 2017 12:21
by DPatel304
The_Overdog wrote:I still can't quite figure out if the complaints are real - as in bikes are legitimately scattered and actually *blocking* real foot traffic (which would be a positive sign for foot traffic numbers and needs to be solved) or if they are almost 100% aesthetic, as in a few scattered bikes look messy. From what I've seen (very limited view) the concerns seem to be mostly aesthetic.

BTW, a bike rack costs about $500-$1000 for a dozen bikes and the installation is you just drop it out of a truck and set it on the ground. A fancy installation might involve bolting it to the ground, but that is not necessary except in the worst areas, it's for aesthetics.


I don't spend enough time Downtown to say for sure, but I feel like most of it is probably an aesthetic problem. But keep in mind, these bike programs are brand new, and Downtown is still not very lively. Fast forward to 5-10 years from now when there will definitely be more people on the streets, and potentially more bikes and more people using the bikes, then you have a problem that is much more than aesthetic.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 03 Nov 2017 12:24
by ndtexan
Dallas isn't the only city with dockless bikeshare issues. DC is having a lot of fun with them too (scroll through the entire linked page for full effect): https://www.popville.com/tag/dockless/

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 03 Nov 2017 12:47
by muncien
Coming back from downtown yesterday, I decided to grab a V-bike for my last leg instead of waiting for the notoriously slow, midday, suburban buses. I rode over eight miles up Campion trail and beyond... Man, the human body is not designed to sit on those bikes for that long. Ouch. lol

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 16 Nov 2017 12:15
by DPatel304
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So it looks like V-Bike has come out with a version 2.0 of their bikes with a few upgrades:
"7 gears, cup holder, adjustable seat, solar powered and the most comfortable seat ever!"
https://www.facebook.com/VBikesTech/vid ... 603814206/

It seems like VBike is, currently, not the preferred bike share company in Dallas, but I still prefer them because they are a local company. I'm hoping they don't expand to other cities, and put their full focus in the DFW area. If that's the case, I would much prefer a city with 100% of their focus here, rather than some of these other companies that are featured in cities across the globe.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 16 Nov 2017 15:49
by muncien
Looks like they're going with traditional chain & sprocket as well as inflatable tires for that version. I actually have no issue with the current tires, but that drive shaft certainly has it's limits, and the new adjustable seat is badly needed.
Maintenance may become an issue though... curious how good those tires are.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 16 Nov 2017 17:22
by Tivo_Kenevil
The v bikes were so uncomfortable. This looks good.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 17 Nov 2017 08:25
by exelone31
I took a vbike for the first time this past weekend. It was ok, definitely good enough for riding around downtown to a few stops.

I feel the same way as dpatel, I like the fact they're a local company and want to support them. The new model looks great!

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 20 Nov 2017 15:27
by gbud
http://fortune.com/2017/11/18/chinas-bike-sharing-bubble-goes-bust/

China's bike-sharing bubble goes bust

Interesting article. Hopefully something like this does not happen in the metroplex. I do hope Vbikes becomes a major player, simply because it is local, but I highly doubt it.

Ofo, the 4th bike sharing company to start operations in DFW is mentioned in the article. Did not know it was backed by Alibaba, big pockets there.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 20 Nov 2017 16:02
by DPatel304
VBike seems to be working with local businesses, which will certainly help them in the long run. I'm pretty sure they have a deal with Klyde Warren Park to have an allocated VBike space near the park, and same with some alcoholic popsicle store that opened up at Bishop Arts.

These other bike share programs that aren't local are probably not going to take the time to do that here, so, VBike might get more recognition by being in prime locations.

Re: Dallas Bike Share: VBikes, Spin, LimeBike

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 12:07
by CTroyMathis
The 5th entry into Dallas is now Mobike. ICYMI.

So, it is now:

VBikes
LimeBike
Spin
Ofo
Mobike

Re: Dallas BikeShare: VBikes, LimeBike, Spin, Ofo, Mobike

Posted: 30 Dec 2017 12:20
by tamtagon
Biking is illegal and morally wrong


biking is bad.jpg


Is there a definition for legal placement of bike-share bikes?

Re: Dallas BikeShare: VBikes, LimeBike, Spin, Ofo, Mobike

Posted: 11 Jan 2018 13:22
by lakewoodhobo
Just thinking out loud here, but I wonder if autonomous vehicles will see a similar bubble to this. I can see a Chinese company flooding the market with cars that will either take up parking or clog the streets with empty vehicles looking for a passenger.

Re: Dallas BikeShare: VBikes, LimeBike, Spin, Ofo, Mobike

Posted: 11 Jan 2018 14:14
by DPatel304
lakewoodhobo wrote:Just thinking out loud here, but I wonder if autonomous vehicles will see a similar bubble to this. I can see a Chinese company flooding the market with cars that will either take up parking or clog the streets with empty vehicles looking for a passenger.


I didn't even think of that, but I think you're right. Honestly, I think the problem will be worse, because there is a TON of money to be made in this space, and plenty of companies all wanting to be the de facto autonomous car provider.

Re: Dallas BikeShare: VBikes, LimeBike, Spin, Ofo, Mobike

Posted: 11 Jan 2018 14:38
by muncien
I would expect autonomous vehicles to be much easier to regulate. Unlike these bikes, which can be left anywhere the last user sees fit, autonomous vehicles can be returned to a more desirable location. I would expect there would be limits on parking restrictions similar to disabled vehicles. ie: no parking on public property (street parking). With that, and similar restrictions by private property owners (Walmart, target, Kroger, etc), these companies will likely need to lease little used garages around the city.
While these bikes need to be located at critical intersections, the auto-taxis can pull out of that Houston st viaduct garage and be at the same intersection in a minute or two... and nobody would think twice about where it was before that...