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Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 19 May 2017 11:37
by tamtagon
Glossy lauding prep piece for the 2018 AT&T Byron Nelson Championship Tournament. Overlooking all the flagrant missteps along the way to building the link course, this article focuses on the the potential to put Dallas back in the major leagues of PGA golf.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/ ... ot-in.html

Golf's next big championship course taking root in South Dallas
May 19, 2017
Candace Carlisle

"The last major championship game in Dallas was played in 1952 and the last major championship game in Texas was played in 1969," Spears said. "If we can attract a major championship game and host the Byron Nelson, we will put Dallas in good golfing stead."

"We talked to all the governing bodies that manage the major championships and we really did want the golf course built to accommodate championships, whether it's a normal PGA Tour event like the Byron Nelson or whether it's a U.S. Open or PGA Championship — that's the real reason it was built," he added. "You'd probably do it differently if it was just going to be a purely private golf club."


We'll have to see some serious golf-park facility construction before this course elevates it's game.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 20 May 2017 02:05
by rantanamo
what kind of facilities have they build around the course?

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 20 May 2017 11:21
by tamtagon
^As far as I'm aware, one clubhouse is the only permanent building accommodating players and guests...

http://myavidgolfer.com/features/update-trinity-forest/

Thoughts on Trinity Forest…
Travis Measley / Apr. 1st, 2016

...Construction on the 25,000-square-foot clubhouse is scheduled to begin shortly, with an expected completion date of fall 2017. The clubhouse will overlook the 9th and 18th green, and will be on the south side of Great Trinity Forest Way, the main road that dissects the property.


Great Trinity Forest Way a.k.a. Loop 12 haha


oh, this is timely:
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/other- ... uture-home

By Brad Townsend
...
"I think it will be a welcome break between what some would call the monotony of PGA Tour golf courses."
On Tuesday, Dallas' Jordan Spieth, a Trinity Forest member, told us that he has shot 7-under here, but also 7-over.
...
With no trees, obviously there is no natural shade. Salesmanship Club and Trinity Forest officials say much of the sun exposure will be alleviated by tournament-specific structures and hospitality areas throughout the course.

...
What about parking?
...
"Right now we have 7,000 parking spaces [for Trinity Forest] that are a shorter bus ride, by time, than the ride from the old Texas Stadium," said Moore, alluding to the Nelson's current primary parking area. "There's three different ways to get to the course. On the clock it's faster than getting to the front door of the Four Seasons."
Declining to be more specific, Moore told Chip Shots that negotiations are underway to secure land that would provide closer-in parking for players and sponsors.


Sure, the course will need more on site parking over time, but absolutely no forest cutting for parking lots just for special event activities. The booster club talks a good game about how this golf course will add to downtown activities, and it certainly will during big important tournaments.

Build a world class round-about for buses and shuttles carrying all the special event crowds from downtown.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 20 May 2017 19:45
by Tivo_Kenevil
I remember when this Private Golf course was announced. The mayor touted it would be great for South Dallas.


Prediction...This tournament will do nothing for South Dallas!

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 21 May 2017 06:44
by rantanamo
depends on what you mean by "for South Dallas". Certainly will do nothing for South Dallas as we know it.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 21 May 2017 15:34
by Tnexster
What is the luxury hotel line that has announced they will be building a fantastic four star hotel and resort near this place?

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 23 May 2017 01:27
by rantanamo
My sarcasm meter is malfunctioning. Is that serious or a joke?

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 23 May 2017 08:41
by cowboyeagle05
I'm sure they will just helicopter guests to the Downtown Omni...

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 23 May 2017 20:52
by Tnexster
rantanamo wrote:My sarcasm meter is malfunctioning. Is that serious or a joke?


Its serious sarcasm

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 23 May 2017 22:24
by tamtagon
That was a fleeting mention, and I don't remember at all the brand or if a general location had been mentioned, but I do remember it. Also remember wondering if this hotel would have been anywhere near Wonderview (haha Mark Cuban 2010).... but I'm not feeling a hotel on the east side of the River, more like right across the street....

SMU Golf and perhaps other collegiate sport activity will need facilities, is horse riding (or associated?) a college sport? Polo? How about some Mustang Soccer?

If the PGA shows up big for this golf course, there's going to be some nice ballrooms, suites and rooftop drinking & dining. I've always figured Pemberton Hill would succumb.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 16 Aug 2017 08:29
by gshelton91
The Trinity Golf course was billed as a private Golf Course like the Dallas Country Club its rare for a private club like that to have a resort attached... unless it is actually simi-private meaning you can be a member to play or you can pay a green fee and stay at the attached hotel and play. The current course is Public -- i can play the course without either staying at the hotel or being a member just pay a green fee.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 09:12
by casperitl
One must be a member of Trinity Forest CC or an invited guest of member to play there. It is a private club. This is the way it was always intended. It is not a public course. The only "public" part of it is the enormous sum of money Dallas citizens paid to build it.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 09:15
by Tivo_Kenevil
casperitl wrote:One must be a member of Trinity Forest CC or an invited guest of member to play there. It is a private club. This is the way it was always intended. It is not a public course. The only "public" part of it is the enormous sum of money Dallas citizens paid to build it.


Yep.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 10:33
by tamtagon
casperitl wrote:One must be a member of Trinity Forest CC or an invited guest of member to play there. It is a private club. This is the way it was always intended. It is not a public course. The only "public" part of it is the enormous sum of money Dallas citizens paid to build it.


If it's going to become a PGA mainstay with prime time TV timeslots and popular destination for North American golf fanatics, it probably needs to remain members only. Citizens get paid back only if out-of-towners pay good money to use the course.

It's up to good the folks in Dallas -- like casperitl -- to get the management straightened out. The destruction of habitat caused so far by that golf course must be the ironic beginning of an entity broadly protecting and developing a near wilderness along the river.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 28 Sep 2017 16:25
by gshelton91
casperitl wrote:One must be a member of Trinity Forest CC or an invited guest of member to play there. It is a private club. This is the way it was always intended. It is not a public course. The only "public" part of it is the enormous sum of money Dallas citizens paid to build it.


Actually there is a bit more to the public part than that. As part of the deal with the city several charity golf events will be held there each year. And all things considered it did not cost us all that much money and if it goes belly up then it just reverts back to the city.

From a business point of view having Dallas actually host a major event like that will have some benefits... I also think that particular view of Dallas will have some benefit... i was talking to someone not long ago that thought dallas was a desert

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 03 May 2018 13:33
by jrd1964
Slideshow of various facilities around the course. Some are only temporary for use during this year's Byron Nelson.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... elson.html


A related article, but it's paywalled:

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... -club.html

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 11 May 2018 12:57
by casperitl
Still not seeing any signs of economic life surrounding this project. Are those cheerleading this venue pointing towards an increase in Omni Hotel bookings as their win?

I don't see a quality of life change for the better yet for residents in the zip code surrounding the golf course.

It has been a doubled down fight just to keep public trails and park areas open to the public that are in the vicinity of the Byron Nelson tournament.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 12 May 2018 14:28
by Tnexster
Maybe they can tear down some more of the forest to build a fancy hotel. I'm surprised they haven't talked about it.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 12 May 2018 20:25
by tamtagon
Tnexster wrote:Maybe they can tear down some more of the forest to build a fancy hotel. I'm surprised they haven't talked about it.


Probably waiting to see whether or not the Byron Nelson elevates in stature on the link course. If the tournament gains popularity that draws during the rest of the year, we'll likely see permanent structures for players and audiences, including a super-star resort somewhere nearby. Maybe they fill the gaping hole in the forest just off Elam with a parking garage, the view of downtown from that vantage point would be spectacular. The horse park would like it, maybe get those polo fields out of the deal.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 14 May 2018 08:42
by jrd1964
The DMN gets Corby Davidson (afternoon co-host from KTCK The Ticket)'s opinion of Trinity Forest:

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ern-dallas


Also, these angles from the Editorial section....

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/edit ... ern-dallas
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/edit ... ins-dallas

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 07:27
by tamtagon
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2018/05/14/naysayers-said-att-byron-nelson-couldnt-happen-now-tee-time-southern-dallas

Here's some helpful perspective as hundreds of thousands of fans travel deep into southern Dallas this week for the AT&T Byron Nelson at its new home at the Trinity Forest Golf Club


I started to read this editorial, but had to pause after the first sentence: hundreds of thousands of fans? Is that right, hundreds of thousands?

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 08:15
by dukemeredith
tamtagon wrote:
I started to read this editorial, but had to pause after the first sentence: hundreds of thousands of fans? Is that right, hundreds of thousands?


http://www.star-telegram.com/entertainm ... 86887.html

2017 Byron Nelson attendance

Official attendance for the week of the 35th and final Nelson at the Four Seasons was 280,000 people.

In spite of the final round's rain delay, the highest attended day was Sunday's 79,500, followed by 78,000 on Saturday and 41,000 on Friday.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 08:54
by tamtagon
Remarkable! I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Years ago we had tickets to this tournament, so we headed out to the golf course for bloody mary's and people watching, golf what? I kinda remember the package was Dallas Double D-luxe (one of our gang had the gold plated hook up) but the parking pass turned out to be useless, so we headed to the fancy hotel on the Lake Caroline for refreshment and a shuttle ride --- no parking there either. No way.

We headed back to Dallas and got to Brownies (RIP) just in time.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 11:43
by Tucy
dukemeredith wrote:
tamtagon wrote:
I started to read this editorial, but had to pause after the first sentence: hundreds of thousands of fans? Is that right, hundreds of thousands?


http://www.star-telegram.com/entertainm ... 86887.html

2017 Byron Nelson attendance

Official attendance for the week of the 35th and final Nelson at the Four Seasons was 280,000 people.

In spite of the final round's rain delay, the highest attended day was Sunday's 79,500, followed by 78,000 on Saturday and 41,000 on Friday.


I'm trying to follow their math. They say they had total attendance of 280,000 people for the four day tournament, then recite the attendance for three of the four days. 79,500 plus 78,000 plus 41,000 adds up to 198,500. According to their report, Thursday's attendance was less than 41,000. Even if it matched Friday's 41,000, we only get to 239,500. How did they come up with 280,000?

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 12:21
by jrd1964
Isn't there some kind of pro-am or preview thing on Wednesday every year? If they still do that, it would attract a few folks.

Since AT&T is a new sponsor this year, maybe some people in the gallery will be company vendors or friends-of-the-company.

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 18:19
by jrd1964
Robert Wilonsky looks at the surrounding neighborhood angle, with some residents actually thinking positive about the effects of the golf course and tournament.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ern-dallas

Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Posted: 15 May 2018 18:47
by jrd1964
The Dallas CVB has posted a list of things going on at Trinity Forest during the tournament besides golf.

https://www.visitdallas.com/things-to-d ... elson.html?