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Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby tamtagon » 05 May 2017 09:31

http://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2017/04 ... y-expense/

April 26, 2017
Oak Cliff deck park: Social and economic breakthrough or unnecessary expense?
Written By Rachel Stone

People on both sides of Interstate 35 in Oak Cliff want a deck park. And there are people on both sides who think it wouldn’t be the best use of tax dollars.

The Texas Department of Transportation held a public hearing in our neighborhood Tuesday where residents could see plans for the proposed park and give their feedback on it.

The highway department will rebuild 35, in a project known as “the southern gateway.” Once that’s completed, a 5.5-acre deck park could sit above the interstate, in the style of Klyde Warren Park, between Marsalis and Ewing.

The park would cost about $135 million. The Regional Transportation Council would pitch in $45 million, leaving the city’s portion at about $90 million. Dallas currently is staring down possible bankruptcy if it doesn’t solve the police and fire pension fund crisis. So there currently is no public money available for this kind of amenity, although it’s possible that at least some of the funding could come from private donors.

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 08 May 2017 09:19

I love it when the pull out the private donor's thing. Let's see if South Dallas is really really lucky someone will write a check for 10 million. More likely the most they will get is under 5 million.

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby tamtagon » 08 May 2017 10:23

A better use of the $50 million gift to Dallas Parks & Recreation from the Sammons Foundation goes to this project rather than the a condition of the Trinity Tollroad through the Trinity River Park...

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby tamtagon » 30 Jun 2017 09:05

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/oak-cli ... ty-council

Oak Cliff deck park gets unanimous OK from Dallas City Council
Julie Fancher, Staff Writer

The Dallas City Council unanimously authorized funding for a new deck park over Interstate 35E ... The proposed deck park, which would eventually be a 5.5 acre park, would stretch from Marsalis Avenue to Ewing Avenue ... the Texas Department of Transportation's CityMAP report last year ... estimated the changes could spur more than $166 million in development for one of the poorest parts of Dallas


The potential for the part of town is off the charts! After years of dubious success, The Dallas Zoo has become an respected institution, Bishop Arts is the "new" Lower Greenville, Downtown Oak Cliff is getting a 'better block' update (is Jason Roberts involved in any of the changes here?!?!), the streetcar extension is underway, and there's vacant and derelict real estate in an overabundance.

So much potential....
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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby gshelton91 » 28 Jul 2017 10:26

I don't really feel like this deck park is a good use of money. If we took this same money and put it into Lake Cliff Park then at the end of the day we would have a much better outcome. Woodall Rodgers Deck park made economic sense because the price of land and the location. The price of land in Oak Cliff just doesn't justify a deck park -- at least in my opinion.

Just think about the possibilities for Lake Cliff park and/or Kid Springs and/or Keist Park if this 20+ Million dollars were put to those parks.

Kind of off topic but I think the next good investment for the zoo would be a "Great Wolf Lodge" style hotel connected to the Zoo with proximity to downtown and other dallas attractions like North Park and Uptown I think a lot of people would choose to be down here rather up in grapevine

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby tamtagon » 28 Jul 2017 11:33

^No doubt Lake Cliff and Kid Spring and Keist Park could each use a double dose of park investment, I have no doubt these three and most other Southern city parks have decades of deferred maintenance and upkeep. Dedicated bike/pedways should already connect Lake Cliff and Kid Springs....

But I'm totally in favor of this expensive deck park. Essentially, this will function a welcome mat for the Zoo until East Jefferson begins the inevitable conversion from street through an 'abandoned' bad part of town to the a mixed use, commercial, office, retail and tourist boulevard anchoring the destination of Historic Oak Cliff Downtown, The Zoo and Downtown Dallas. It's entirely possible the next decade's version of Gaylord-Great Wolf-Motor Court Revival Hospitality accommodation will land at the foot step of the deck.

Downtown Oak Cliff will take on the same sort of destination attitude as Ashville NC, or a cool area of Austin before getting overrun, Pismo Beach....

New Oak Cliff Tourist District.jpg


This deck park is a critical first step to a complete upgrade, new millennial, mixed use tourist and commercial destination that's free of the stereo-typical North Dallas sterility.
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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby electricron » 28 Jul 2017 17:06

I am more concerned with maintaining the deck park after it's built. An advisory committee or board of some sort should be established, along with a steady source of funds, just like the deck park over Woodall Rogers.
Without such an organization, the grass, flowers, and trees will turn into weeds soon enough, because the first thing the city cuts in bad times is parks.

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 01 Aug 2017 10:44

I noticed that the Tricolor car dealership closed down and moved. Could've been that way for months, but it's most likely due to the massive land grab that took place there last year by SD5 Investors (whatever that is).

This is surprising because I assumed the new owners would continue to collect rent and keep that business there until the park made those parcels more valuable, but maybe we'll see a lot of these structures demolished and ready for assemblage of tracts sooner than later.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 24 Jan 2018 09:37

Per City Manager T.C. Broadnax, groundbreaking for the Southern Gateway Project will take place on Wednesday, February 28. I believe the first phase of the project is the one closest to downtown which includes the structural support for the deck park.

On a related note, it was revealed during the Amazon HQ2 frenzy that it's Cienda Partners who has been purchasing land around the future deck park. They offered Amazon these parcels as an extension of what they already own at the former Oak Farms Dairy site. Cienda paid for initial renderings/models so it makes sense that they're betting on the real estate here to skyrocket.

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby exelone31 » 24 Jan 2018 12:11

lakewoodhobo wrote:Per City Manager T.C. Broadnax, groundbreaking for the Southern Gateway Project will take place on Wednesday, February 28. I believe the first phase of the project is the one closest to downtown which includes the structural support for the deck park.

On a related note, it was revealed during the Amazon HQ2 frenzy that it's Cienda Partners who has been purchasing land around the future deck park. They offered Amazon these parcels as an extension of what they already own at the former Oak Farms Dairy site. Cienda paid for initial renderings/models so it makes sense that they're betting on the real estate here to skyrocket.


That's awesome to hear on all fronts! It's sounds like this one will really come to fruition. I'm really curious to see if this park has a similar ancillary impact as Klyde Warren has. I wouldn't expect it to lead to the same type of surrounding developments, but definitely some interesting potential to connect Bishop Arts/Jefferson to the zoo.

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby DPatel304 » 24 Jan 2018 12:35

I've been eyeing real estate in this area, and it seems pretty under-valued considering the location. I'm referring to the area wedged between Zang Blvd. and I-35. The area still looks run-down, but you're within walking distance to Bishop Arts, Lake Cliff Park, and the Streetcar, and now you'll have this deck park which will help connect the area to the Zoo at the DART station there.

I agree that we won't see the same type of change that we saw with KWP, but this might help bring some of the development around Bishop Arts to this side of Zang.

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Re: Oak Cliff Deck Park

Postby lakewoodhobo » 28 Feb 2018 16:47

Work begins on second Dallas deck park over I-35
http://www.fox4news.com/news/work-begin ... -over-i-35

Of course the headline is a bit misleading as we won't see any work on the deck park until the Southern Gateway project reaches S Ewing.

One thing I didn't realize from the renderings is that they're from the Office of James Burnett (which designed Klyde Warren Park). If you go to their website, you'll see a bunch of new detailed renderings there: https://www.ojb.com/project/southern-gateway-deck-park

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