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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby DPatel304 » 31 Mar 2019 21:05

LongonBigD wrote:I realize now that it’s, alas — not a park extension. It’s a primarily a private fundraising space.

I guess I can live with that so long as it means they have a way to drive future donations to keep the park maintained.


Yep, my thoughts exactly. I think it's a fine development, my main issue is they are trying to sell it as a 'park extension', when it isn't that at all. I'm totally okay with that, and I'm actually glad they are finding a way to generate some revenue. It's significantly better than what is there today which is a massive highway that is diving our city. This will help cover up even more of that highway, and connect Uptown to Downtown a bit better.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 31 Mar 2019 22:15

How are they so sure this will raise money? lark on the park wasn't a success. What makes them so damn sure this will be? Because it has parkin'? Sorry, not only are they parading this as a park, when it isnt, it also involves shady visitdallas, an unorganized institution that needs to be gutted. It also involves a federal agency that is so out of touch with anything remotely urban. Stay away from this project Dallas.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby flyswatter » 31 Mar 2019 22:21

Lark wasn't on the park, but Savor makes a killing inside the park and it is across the street from where Lark was. They will fill that place with fundraisers and events just simply by throwing out words like "unparalleled views" and offering valet parking for the people coming in from Plano or Highland Park.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby tamtagon » 02 Apr 2019 06:59

tamtagon wrote: I would suggest Perot make real nice with El Fenix folks and work out a collaboration to extend the Natural History Museum over/under Field....


Here's the big chance!

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2019/04/02/whole-enchilada-el-fenixsuptown-dallas-property-sale

The whole enchilada: El Fenix's Uptown Dallas property is for sale
Written by Steve Brown

...The El Fenix building — along with two other popular restaurants on the same block — are on an almost 4-acre development site being offered to buyers by brokers at Dallas-based HFF.

...Based on recent development site sales in Uptown, the El Fenix tract could fetch as much as $50 million for just the land.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby dallaz » 11 Apr 2019 19:23

CEO: Kit Sawers, Klyde Warren Park

https://www.kera.org/2019/03/29/kit-saw ... rren-park/

Built over a busy downtown Dallas freeway, Klyde Warren Park offers visitors over five acres of green space to eat, play and relax. President of Klyde Warren Park, Kit Sawers, joins host Lee Cullum this April on CEO to discuss the park’s future expansion and how the nonprofit plans to fund a growing number of events from yoga to concerts to films – all free to the public.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby dallaz » 15 Oct 2019 11:16

Klyde Warren Park expansion update from WFAA

https://youtu.be/U72WcDh-Gxk

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby DPatel304 » 15 Oct 2019 11:28

Looks like they are shooting for a completion date of late 2023 (possibly early 2024).

I wasn't initial a huge fan of this project, but it's really warmed up to me. I could see the event space being extremely popular which will bring in some nice revenue, and this will the pedestrian experience on the western side just a little bit more.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby muncien » 15 Oct 2019 11:30

So... this is all being done with 100% private funds?
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 15 Oct 2019 12:45

DPatel304 wrote:Looks like they are shooting for a completion date of late 2023 (possibly early 2024).

I wasn't initial a huge fan of this project, but it's really warmed up to me. I could see the event space being extremely popular which will bring in some nice revenue, and this will the pedestrian experience on the western side just a little bit more.


I'm not a fan of the garage. But at least they've improved the design. The whacky staircase to Perot seems to be dead. Which is good.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby dallaz » 15 Oct 2019 13:20

Kelcy Warren Gives $20 Million to Klyde Warren Park

(This features the actual video rendering)

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... rren-park/

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby muncien » 15 Oct 2019 13:36

This is all mostly really good news. The children's area expansion has been drastically needed... The fountain looks great, and the west 'lawn' area, while not particularly inviting will be a great place for private events without hogging up the prime park space.
What I don't get are the 'fins' on the building itself... Why are they not deck space? What exactly is the purpose of them other than to provide shade below? It just seems an aweful waste of what could be some great deck space.
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby clcrash19 » 15 Oct 2019 14:21

Very good news, looks like its a done deal now with the private funds, and i like the new design of the building better. Plus no highline to perot which would be stupid.. I think this park will only continue to grow and really be a catalyst for the city.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Kelley USA » 15 Oct 2019 15:04

Really loving that Pearl Street fountain addition!!

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 15 Oct 2019 15:57

Kelley USA wrote:Really loving that Pearl Street fountain addition!!

I believe the original KWP plans had a fountain. For whatever reason, they left it out. Good to see the fountain idea was revisited.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 15 Oct 2019 17:12

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Kelley USA wrote:Really loving that Pearl Street fountain addition!!

I believe the original KWP plans had a fountain. For whatever reason, they left it out. Good to see the fountain idea was revisited.


The money, they ran out of money. It was canceled due to money being spent on other projects in the park. It wasn't the only detail they changed...
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Tnexster » 16 Oct 2019 09:28

I don't see space for parking cars, did they get rid of that too? Hope so.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Cbdallas » 16 Oct 2019 11:39

Oddly if you look at the photo in D magazine it shows a car leaving the building to the street. Not sure where they would even park there they can't go underneath a freeway is down there.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... rren-park/

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Tnexster » 16 Oct 2019 14:09

Is anyone going to go to that Visit Dallas center? Seems odd.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby THRILLHO » 16 Oct 2019 15:34

Cbdallas wrote:Oddly if you look at the photo in D magazine it shows a car leaving the building to the street. Not sure where they would even park there they can't go underneath a freeway is down there.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... rren-park/


Here is the supposed layout for the building.
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Cbdallas » 16 Oct 2019 16:20

So may be they just have some parking for catering and staff etc.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby THRILLHO » 16 Oct 2019 17:01

Cbdallas wrote:So may be they just have some parking for catering and staff etc.

If these drawings are still accurate, it looks like they'll squish as many spaces in there as possible with this double-parking situation:
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 18 Oct 2019 13:52

I am so opposed to this proposal. It's not a crime to build a ballroom they can charge thousands of dollars for weddings and lord knows I would rather them be able to pay for maintenance but still seems like an overpriced project where we get less park. The biggest sad part is the last section is so disconnected at least they got rid of that god awful NY High Line imitator flyover to the Museum of Nature and Science.

The new fountain yes, the larger childrens park a definite yes but a visitor center/parking garage/ballroom not so much.
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby exelone31 » 18 Oct 2019 14:33

No way that fountain makes the final cut.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby LongonBigD » 18 Oct 2019 15:26

THRILLHO wrote:If these drawings are still accurate, it looks like they'll squish as many spaces in there as possible with this double-parking situation:


I always thought this would just be valet parking and that sure looks like valet parking.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 18 Oct 2019 15:39

Nobody goes to a visitors center when they travel. Lol

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby lwtx » 01 Mar 2020 08:32

“Fountain To Replace Dog Park at Klyde Warren Park
But don't worry, My Best Friend's Dog Park is moving to a bigger location.”

Sounds like a good development.

https://www.dmagazine.com/business-econ ... rren-park/

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 02 Mar 2020 13:54

They are moving it across the street actually to the corner where they wanted to build that overpriced pedestrian bridge on the Downtown side next to the highway off ramp.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 02 Mar 2020 13:59

You can see it and the other projects visually laid out on the Klyde Warren website. They have an updated video with visuals. https://vimeo.com/394298886

https://www.klydewarrenpark.org/about-t ... ase-2.html
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 02 Mar 2020 14:19

The confusion I have is they say they need the space of the current dog park for the iconic fountain yet the fountain in all previous visuals including this one above doesn't encroach on the dog park. Are they planing an even bigger water fountain and not pictured even in their current renderings? Construction staging area for all the construction maybe?
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby clcrash19 » 16 May 2020 15:00

I wonder if the Covid pandemic will delay this expansion for a year or two at least.. I couldn't remember did they fundraise the full amount they needed or were they still a ways away..

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby itsjrd1964 » 17 May 2020 07:15

clcrash19 wrote:I wonder if the Covid pandemic will delay this expansion for a year or two at least.. I couldn't remember did they fundraise the full amount they needed or were they still a ways away..


The last I heard, they didn't specify that they had all the $$$, but they were shaking their pom-poms about it for sure.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby clcrash19 » 17 May 2020 15:50

It was 60 mil private and 40 public right for the total 100mil cost?

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby THRILLHO » 18 May 2020 10:42

Looking at the renderings again, it pains me to be reminded of how ugly the backside of that visitor's center is going to be :lol:
I get that it needs to be functional for trucks and parking, but it doesn't have to make that small bit of Akard feel so much like a wide alleyway. Hopefully they spruce up the sidewalk a bit.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 May 2020 16:10

I think it looks terrible from both sides like a deflated condom but hey that's just my interpretation but there is no use spending too much time complaining since I cant vote on the project anyway.
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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby quixomniac » 27 May 2020 16:21

Hopefully during the delay, they reconsider this building. The way it is designed relative to its placement is obstructive IMO. if they were going to put anything that big anywhere, it should have been at the opposite end of the park near the opera house. Ideally it should have been part of one of the neighboring buildings.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby jetnd87 » 14 Oct 2020 07:22

Dallas engineering giant Jacobs gives $8 million to Klyde Warren Park’s second phase
The Jacobs Lawn will provide event space and a winter ice rink about the size of the one in Rockefeller Center.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/phi ... ond-phase/

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby clcrash19 » 14 Oct 2020 08:38

The gift is the single largest donation to the $100 million expansion project by a corporation and the largest corporate gift in downtown Dallas since the AT&T Performing Arts Center opened in 2009.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby homeworld1031tx » 14 Oct 2020 17:20

That's awesome! Thank you to Jacbos for the philanthropy. I am curious as to how the ice rink will work.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby Cbdallas » 15 Oct 2020 11:22

This is just what we needed to reenergize the urban core when Covid restrictions end along with the other parks going in and around downtown. I still think we can use more living around this entire area especially on the downtown CBD side.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby DPatel304 » 15 Oct 2020 13:37

This project is such a big win! We're expanding the hugely popular Klyde Warren, reducing the 'wall' created by Woodall, and creating a revenue generator for the city. I'm sure this will also encourage even more development in the surrounding area as well.

I'm also wondering how this ice rink will work. I know some years ago, Klyde Warren had a mini 'ice' rink they set up which actually wasn't ice at all, but some sort of plastic-y surface. It seemed pretty lame, but I guess we can't expect much else when we live in Texas. I hope they find some practical way to actually give us a real ice rink.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby vman » 16 Oct 2020 11:59

DPatel304 wrote:I'm also wondering how this ice rink will work. I know some years ago, Klyde Warren had a mini 'ice' rink they set up which actually wasn't ice at all, but some sort of plastic-y surface. It seemed pretty lame, but I guess we can't expect much else when we live in Texas. I hope they find some practical way to actually give us a real ice rink.

I'm in Houston every Thanksgiving and Houston, for several years now, puts an ice skating rink in Discovery Green downtown every year, starting the weekend after Thanksgiving. I'm not sure about this year, but the park and the ice skating rink stay packed the entire time. I'm not sure what material is used, but I know it seems like the skating has to be halted for the "ice" to be cleaned constantly. But if they can pull this off in Houston, where many Thanksgiving weekends are sunny and warm, it can definitely work here, where the after turkey day weather could actually be cold.

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Re: Downtown: Klyde Warren Park

Postby DPatel304 » 16 Oct 2020 12:24

I wasn't aware of that, but that's good to know! As long as they don't go with that fake plastic stuff, I'm definitely on board with this!


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