Southwest Airlines

[Alex Rodriguez]

Hearing chatter that Southwest may be announcing service to Hawaii this week. They are title sponsor for a global tourism conference in Hawaii this week. Also end of the 733 and online of 73Max, along with reservation system changes, it would make sense. Would be pretty awesome to fly DAL-SJC-OGG on Rapid Rewards points. You heard it here!

[Thymant]

That would be amazing to have flights to Hawaii from Southwest, by far my favorite low cost airline!

[electricron]

That would be amazing to have flights to Hawaii from Southwest, by far my favorite low cost airline!

How far away is Honolulu from DFW?
Per Air Miles Calculator -
The flight distance from Dallas Fort Worth International Airport (DFW) to Honolulu International Airport (HNL) is 3783 miles (6087 kilometers, 3287 nautical miles). Estimated flight time is 7 h 40 min. Time difference between Dallas and Honolulu is -5 Hours.

How far can Southwest or anyone else fly a Boeing 737? Southwest newest jets are the Boeing 737 Max 8 models.
Per Boeing 737 Max 8 specifications -
3515 nautical miles.

So there will be 228 nautical miles of padding. That’s around 6% of its capability.
Math = 3515 - 3287 = 228
228 / 3515 x 100 = 6.4%

It’s possible with their newest jets. I just wished there was more padding on fuel in case the jet is flying into strong headwinds.....

[Alex Rodriguez]

Good stuff Electricron. The new 737 Max7 Redesign announced last year (which would be bigger than originally proposed 737 Max7 & based off a simple shrink of the Max8) has an announced range of 3,850 nmi (4,430 mi; 7,130 km), and to be improved after 2021 to 3,915 nmi (4,505 mi; 7,251 km).

Southwest has a firm order for 30 of the Max7, but it will be at least 2020 before they are ready for prime time. -9 is in flight testing, -10 is a hot commodity and will go next, and -7 bringing up the rear...

Anyway, the Max7 will easily get you to Hawaii from DAL, it would be cool to have direct flights from Love Field to Hawaii, although not sure how comfortable a 7 hour flight in a 737 would be!

[electricron]

Anyway, the Max7 will easily get you to Hawaii from DAL, it would be cool to have direct flights from Love Field to Hawaii, although not sure how comfortable a 7 hour flight in a 737 would be!

The Max 8 jets are already in Southwest’s fleet and can do the job on paper. Good news on the updates for the Max 7 jets, but they aren’t flying for Southwest yet.
I can barely stand flying in a 737 for 3 hours, there’s no way I’ll enjoy over a 7 hour flight in them.

[flyswatter]

No way SWA will fly to Hawaii from anywhere except from California, at least in the near term with the fleet and Love Field gate constraints. They were going to make some announcements a few weeks ago, but the hurricanes delayed it (I work in the ops center).

[electricron]

No way SWA will fly to Hawaii from anywhere except from California, at least in the near term with the fleet and Love Field gate constraints. They were going to make some announcements a few weeks ago, but the hurricanes delayed it (I work in the ops center).

You’re probably correct, but please allow us the opportunity to dream a little and discuss the possibilities. That’s what make this forum fun!
As I wrote before, 7 hours is really too long to be squeezed into a 737, no matter who is flying it.

[Cbdallas]

Are the Max jets supposed to be quieter?

[electricron]

Are the Max jets supposed to be quieter?

Yes, 40% quieter per
http://www.boeing.com/features/2016/09/ ... 09-16.page

Which is kind of deceptive in a way, as noise is measured in dB, which is logrithmic in scale. So a 40% reduction is just 4 dB lower, not 40 dB lower.

[Tucy]

What is deceptive about saying it's 40% quieter, if it is in fact 40% quieter?

[electricron]

What is deceptive about saying it's 40% quieter, if it is in fact 40% quieter?

When the noise from an aircraft is around 100 to 120 dB, most people believe 60 to 70 dB would be 40% quieter, not the actual 96 dB to 116 dB, they confuse matters when they use %..

[tanzoak]

What is deceptive about saying it's 40% quieter, if it is in fact 40% quieter?

When the noise from an aircraft is around 100 to 120 dB, most people believe 60 to 70 dB would be 40% quieter, not the actual 96 dB to 116 dB, they confuse matters when they use %..

The relevant change is in the noise level, not in the decibel level. Just as it would be inaccurate to say that an earthquake of magnitude 7.7 is only 10% stronger than one of magnitude 7.0, the same is true for noise levels.

[Tucy]

Is it 40% quieter or is it not?

[tanzoak]

Is it 40% quieter or is it not?

It is, at least according to Boeing.

[Alex Rodriguez]

Well it was a few weeks late but its official: Southwest to begin service to Hawaii http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/10/1 ... n-the-way/

[jrd1964]

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... rters.html

A pedestrian bridge has been completed that connects Southwest's main HQ to a training facility building across the street.

[flyswatter]

Rumor mill says that we (SWA) have to pay DART fees to use the air above the DART tracks. The bridges are also oddly angled because they have to cross the tracks at 90 degree angles.

[TNWE]

Rumor mill says that we (SWA) have to pay DART fees to use the air above the DART tracks. The bridges are also oddly angled because they have to cross the tracks at 90 degree angles.

I don't know about DART, but there's a lease paid to the City of Dallas for the air rights over Denton Drive.

The odd shape of the bridge is a function of where there was space for the bridge piers, and the relative position of the buildings being connected. There's no rule that bridges must be perpendicular to rail tracks- that's just how it happened based on the T-shaped design that was selected.

[jrd1964]

For the first time in decades, Southwest has decided to phase out serving of peanuts on flights. The article doesn't say what they will serve instead, if any.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... straw.html

[Hannibal Lecter]

^ Another article said mini-pretzels.

[jrd1964]

Southwest is launching international cargo service, starting with Mexico City; other cities will be added later on.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/sou ... ernational

[longhorn]

https://i1.wp.com/www.lovefieldmoderniz ... e-2018.jpg

What is the office in front of the fuel/water tank?

[Alex Rodriguez]

If I had to guess its the Dallas Police Department Love Field offices, and some other Love Field operational type offices, TSA Offices. Between 2009-2015 those were in the old East Concourse / Remainder of Braniff Terminal of the Future. Before that, the DPD was in a little office space in the North Concourse right by the main TSA checkpoint.

North Concourse got torn down as part of original Love Field Modernization, and then the remainder of the Braniff Terminal got torn down to build this new Parking Garage.

Just a guess...

[itsjrd1964]

Another Dallas business icon has left the building, as longtime former Southwest CEO Herb Kelleher has passed away. He was 87.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/edit ... -employees
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... y-big-city
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... under.html
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/loca ... 93320.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Kelleher
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195 ... d-kelleher

[Tnexster]

Southwest dropping nonstop flights from Dallas Love Field to OKC, San Francisco and Jacksonville

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/sou ... cksonville

[electricron]

Southwest dropping nonstop flights from Dallas Love Field to OKC, San Francisco and Jacksonville

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/sou ... cksonville

One or two stop flights are likely between Love Field and both San Francisco and Jacksonville. But that is not likely for Oklahoma City, so Southwest’s business there must not be good. Additionally, Southwest’s major airport in the Bay Area is Oakland, not San Francisco. I wonder how many non-stops there are to Oakland? Likewise, how many non-stops are there to Orlando or Tampa vs Jacksonville?

[Cbdallas]

There are also non stops to San Jose just to the south of SF. By the time you drive park and go through security to OKC you can almost drive there. That section of 35 moves fairly fast most of the time.

[itsjrd1964]

Southwest Airlines making major expansion to pilot training building in Dallas

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... in-dallas/

[itsjrd1964]

Southwest Airlines' Dallas headquarters expansion to come online next fall

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... nsion.html

[itsjrd1964]

Southwest Airlines buys more land near Dallas Love Field HQ

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airl ... -field-hq/