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Re: DFW Airport

Postby tamtagon » 27 Feb 2018 08:22

Looks like Chicago is getting a jump start....

tamtagon wrote:City within an Airport, terminal adjacent development that appeals as a destination to locals, SouthCentral US regional transportation hub built enticing domestic travelers to join international travelers to spend the night before continuing on... the spread-out horseshoe design will become host to the next evolution of American airports.

If we're lucky, DFW will get out ahead of all/most other US superhubs to update our air service infrastructure.



https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... tes-routes

In the airline industry, having domestic and international airlines in the same terminal is known as a "global alliance hub," Evans said, pointing to London's Heathrow Airport and Tokyo's Narita International Airport as the standard. O'Hare would become the first such global alliance hub in the U.S., Evans said.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby tamtagon » 28 Feb 2018 12:30

This is about the least likely thing that could happen, but it's sure fun for me to think about....

Delta stopped giving an NRA discount; in retaliation, the Georgia Lt. Govenor threatened to take away a fuel tax rebate gifted to Delta. So now, of course it's politics!, places are offering themselves to Delta as a new home.

Now, neither of the North Texas airlines had an NRA discount. That's nothing to do with any of this, but I'm just saying it. The deal is Delta moves it's HQ to Dallas, and in a shocker to the rest of the world, commits at least two thirds of its Atlanta flights to DFW with the build out of three new domestic terminals and one new international terminal. The move makes DFW the foremost global alliance hub in the world with Skyteam and Oneworld.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 01 Mar 2018 09:23

It seems like this mixture of international and domestic in the same space is something DFW will be able to accommodate easily considering they are planning further major changes at our older terminals. The new terminal they are discussing could integrate these things and move that project further along faster to be competitive and affect the design plans for the complete replacement of the older terminals they have also been discussing lately.
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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Tucy » 01 Mar 2018 13:10

cowboyeagle05 wrote:It seems like this mixture of international and domestic in the same space is something DFW will be able to accommodate easily considering they are planning further major changes at our older terminals. The new terminal they are discussing could integrate these things and move that project further along faster to be competitive and affect the design plans for the complete replacement of the older terminals they have also been discussing lately.
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DFW already mixes international and domestic in the same space (Terminal D). There is nothing particularly revolutionary about what is being proposed for O'Hare.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Matt777 » 28 Mar 2018 15:59

American Airlines is adding service to Oaxaca, Mexico from Dallas.

Has anyone heard any peeps on the new DFW long term plan? The more I think about it, the more I am in favor of planning for an eventual brand new centralized terminal on the south side of the current airport property, shutting down International Parkway.

I'm envisioning a world class facility built on the south end of the airport property, with a large central check in and security area, leading to a shopping/dining/hotel complex area with 4 or 5 massive concourses fanning out from there, with about 200-250 gates and rapid people movers connecting them. Terminal D and existing parking garages could be connected to the main domestic terminal by Skylink (separate sterile and non-sterile lines) and continued to be used, connecting to the central check-in/security area. Eventually, a new international terminal could be built midfield or on the north side, again connected by train to the domestic area.

It would simplify and strengthen the AA hub and make for a better experience for both O&D and connecting passengers. Expensive, but it would be a step forward in keeping DFW a superhub and expanding it's dominance.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby PonyUp13 » 05 Apr 2018 00:10

From another forum -

American is paying to renovate the E Satelite and will move flights out there. That’ll make for a long connection out there but cool to see that those gates will stay utilized.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby jrd1964 » 05 Apr 2018 14:39

https://krld.radio.com/articles/new-pri ... rt-parking

The airport is looking into fluctuated pricing for terminal parking, a-la the express lane toll structure that LBJ Freeway now has. It hasn't been decided what range the prices will be.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby flyswatter » 05 Apr 2018 16:32

Considering how far out and inconvenient it can be to park at The Parking Spot locations or Park n Fly, I would be willing to park at the terminal for a couple bucks more. I'm tipping the drivers a couple bucks each way, so it's not like I'll be paying more to begin with. Love Field has terminal parking at $13 and $17 and have no problem filling them up.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Matt777 » 24 Apr 2018 16:11

Lufthansa is upgrading from an A330 to an A340 in 2019 per Routes Online.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 25 Apr 2018 22:27

Matt777 wrote:Lufthansa is upgrading from an A330 to an A340 in 2019 per Routes Online.


Not really an upgrade. The two planes are structurally almost the same. Passenger capacities are about the same. Basically the 330 has two engines and the 340 has four, plus a center fuel tank the 330 lacks. The 340 has more range, but at the cost of guzzling more fuel. Historically the U.S. airlines were more comfortable with ETOPs and went with the 330 to save fuel, while the European airlines were more conservative and bought an extra pair of engines. :-)

The one time I took Lufthansa to Frankfurt they used a 340. Since either plane will do the job I wonder if they assign whichever model they don't have a specific need for elsewhere.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Matt777 » 26 Apr 2018 00:19

Hannibal Lecter wrote:
Matt777 wrote:Lufthansa is upgrading from an A330 to an A340 in 2019 per Routes Online.


Not really an upgrade. The two planes are structurally almost the same. Passenger capacities are about the same. Basically the 330 has two engines and the 340 has four, plus a center fuel tank the 330 lacks. The 340 has more range, but at the cost of guzzling more fuel. Historically the U.S. airlines were more comfortable with ETOPs and went with the 330 to save fuel, while the European airlines were more conservative and bought an extra pair of engines. :-)

The one time I took Lufthansa to Frankfurt they used a 340. Since either plane will do the job I wonder if they assign whichever model they don't have a specific need for elsewhere.


I understand what the A330 and A340 share design wise, but this is an upgauge from A330-300 to A340-600 which means anywhere from 2-26 additional business class seats and up to 79 additional economy seats depending on the configurations of A330 they were using (I think it was the 30 seat biz class cabin from what I remember when I took them 1.5 years ago). So, it is quite an upgrade in capacity. Not to mention the cool lower deck lavatories accessible by staircase on the A340.

The A340-600 is a long bird, longer than the A380 and was the longest passenger plane in production until the 747-8 came along.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 26 Apr 2018 12:04

Aha. You left that little detail out. :-)

This is great news. Actually fairly surprising. Historically a lot of the DFW-FRA passengers has been on their way to India and its neighbors. The ME3 have been grabbing that traffic, to the point that a couple years ago the discussion was whether or not LH might drop DFW. To see a Star Alliance airline adding capacity to a Oneworld hub with all that competition is an incredibly good sign for the DFW market.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby jrd1964 » 11 May 2018 04:22

Update:
* Wow Air service to Reykjavik starts May 24 (3 times a week service, summer only)
* Icelandair service to Reykjavik starts May 31 (4 times a week, year-round)

IINM, this is the first time either carrier has served DFW.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... eland.html

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby flyswatter » 11 May 2018 08:26

I'd love to see them survive to next summer, but it will be tough with AA offering seasonal daily service.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Tnexster » 22 May 2018 21:04

Why American Airlines plans to focus its growth at its two largest hubs

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ame ... o-airports

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Matt777 » 01 Jun 2018 20:59

American Airlines/American Eagle are adding service from DFW to the following destinations starting this Winter:

Del Rio, TX
Wilmington, NC
Buffalo, NY
Sarasota, FL

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Tnexster » 02 Jun 2018 16:18

I'm surprised there is enough demand in Del Rio for service.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby jovan_gonzales » 06 Jun 2018 08:21

Tnexster wrote:I'm surprised there is enough demand in Del Rio for service.


It's probably a government subsidized route that falls under EAS (Essential Air Service).

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Matt777 » 06 Jun 2018 10:32

jovan_gonzales wrote:
Tnexster wrote:I'm surprised there is enough demand in Del Rio for service.


It's probably a government subsidized route that falls under EAS (Essential Air Service).


Yes, it is EAS subsidized. The route is primarily to serve military members traveling to/from Laughlin Air Force Base.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby tamtagon » 06 Jun 2018 11:36

I've always thought Del Rio must be such a 'unique' place to live, like totally weird. Seems so strange, surprising that the Rio Grande Valley is muggy so much of the year, but doesn't rain. Makes sense when you think about it, though, it's a river valley, and air movement is slow-de-slow, not quite a desert. Somewhere along the line, I ran across statistics saying something like when the factors are temperature, humidity and air movement Laredo area is the hottest place in the world. I've always wanted to truly understand life along the Rio Grande.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Matt777 » 06 Jun 2018 13:03

tamtagon wrote:I've always thought Del Rio must be such a 'unique' place to live, like totally weird. Seems so strange, surprising that the Rio Grande Valley is muggy so much of the year, but doesn't rain. Makes sense when you think about it, though, it's a river valley, and air movement is slow-de-slow, not quite a desert. Somewhere along the line, I ran across statistics saying something like when the factors are temperature, humidity and air movement Laredo area is the hottest place in the world. I've always wanted to truly understand life along the Rio Grande.


Don't ever tell someone from the Rio Grande Valley that Del Rio is in the RGV, haha. It's 4-5 hours north of the RGV on the river but I can see what you mean by "river valley."

I grew up in the RGV. It has a very unique culture but you're not missing much. It's actually a very safe place according to crime statistics but there isn't much to do other than go to South Padre Island, shop, and eat very good/crazy/unhealthy food.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Tnexster » 07 Jun 2018 21:48

DFW Airport to spend $35 million to add 125-room extended-stay hotel

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw ... stay-hotel

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby flyswatter » 08 Jun 2018 11:00

Storms last night likely gave AA's inaugural DFW-KEF a rough start. The airport had 75 diversions yesterday, and the flight got delayed almost 16 hours to a noon departure today.

Meanwhile, WOW substituted the A330 for an A321 and had to fuel stop at Bangor, Maine. Icelandair won the battle yesterday flying nonstop without a problem :)

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby dch526 » 19 Jun 2018 08:25

flyswatter wrote:Storms last night likely gave AA's inaugural DFW-KEF a rough start. The airport had 75 diversions yesterday, and the flight got delayed almost 16 hours to a noon departure today.

Meanwhile, WOW substituted the A330 for an A321 and had to fuel stop at Bangor, Maine. Icelandair won the battle yesterday flying nonstop without a problem :)


Yea, I was on that inaugural flight to KFE with AA. About 30 minutes before boarding they announced that we would have to stop in Bangor, ME to refuel. Once we boarded, they discovered there was a broke fuel pump so we sat there for a little over an hour before telling us that we needed to get off and wait an hour for another plan coming in. After about 20 minutes they told us the 8:20pm flight was delayed until 1am because they had to get a new flight crew. Around 11pm they came back and said that they couldn't get a new flight crew so our flight was delayed until noon the next day. Left at Noon the next day and luckily didn't have to refuel in Maine and made it to Iceland at 1am Saturday morning instead of 9:30am Friday morning.

Good to hear Icelandair was able to take off without a hitch. Flew them last time going to KEF, will probably use them going forward.

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby Cord1936 » 26 Jun 2018 17:48

This is a pretty cool graphic representing 24 hours of worldwide air traffic.

You can literally see the hive of activity that the Dallas area is in the graphic with DFW and Love Field airports.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1011647986210750464

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby jrd1964 » 19 Jul 2018 08:18

Starting in September, DFW will not allow those picking up passengers to idle or wait at curbs in front of a terminal. There will be special 1-hour and 2-hour spaces in nearby parking areas available for those waiting for passengers. Anything curbside will become loading/unloading zones. Transportation services may find their curbside places rearranged in the coming months. This plan is similar to what goes on at other airports, including Love Field, and should ease any traffic congestion that forms in front of terminals at DFW.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... olicy.html

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Re: DFW Airport

Postby TNWE » 19 Jul 2018 12:28

jrd1964 wrote:Starting in September, DFW will not allow those picking up passengers to idle or wait at curbs in front of a terminal. There will be special 1-hour and 2-hour spaces in nearby parking areas available for those waiting for passengers. Anything curbside will become loading/unloading zones.


Oh joy, now we get to argue about what constitutes "loading/unloading" with traffic cops :roll:

I was at JAX once picking up a coworker who arrived on a later flight and pulled to the curb as she was walking out of the vestibule from bag claim, only to be told I had to "go around and wait until the person I was meeting was standing at the curb." Being literally feet away from my car was not good enough for that traffic cop, apparently.

I get that they needed to do something, but if you're going to enact a policy that requires enforcement, why not just punish/fine the most egregious offenders (the ones who turn off their car and get out, stop/park in lanes other than the curb, stop in the wrong areas, take too long to load, etc)? Those are the people causing traffic snags, not the drivers who arrive 5 minutes earlier than planned to pick up somebody.


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